Verizon force removing grandfathered "Unlimited Data"

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boosterp

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P.S I sit at 65GB on AT&T and no throttling. Eat that verizon

55 gig right now on LTE an I am still getting 12Mbps dl speeds, what's yours? I'll post a screenshot if you do an we'll see who's the better.

I really came in under the wire on this one. I upgraded about three months ago; still have my unlimited data. I never really understood why providers are simply eliminating unlimited plans rather than charging exorbitant amounts of money which plenty of people would pay.

Because there is no money in voice or text anymore, it's all about data.

My test:
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4ktvs

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55 gig right now on LTE an I am still getting 12Mbps dl speeds, what's yours? I'll post a screenshot if you do an we'll see who's the better.



Because there is no money in voice or text anymore, it's all about data.

My test:
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I will do better than a pic, I will upload a 9 min 720p 2GB video showing my issue with verizon.

My upload speeds are not the best, so it will take a bit.

Link to guy getting throttled at 60GB: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Is-Verizon-throttling-4G-speeds-too_id22818
 

nerdydesi

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P.S I sit at 65GB on AT&T and no throttling. Eat that verizon

Can you tell me please how you are doing that without very high overage fees or throttling from ATT? Because ATT now has set throttling limits for grandfathered unlimited customers, 5gb for LTE and 3gb for non-LTE. Are you on some certain plan and/or phone to use that much data without anything happening?

I will enjoy my Verizon unlimited LTE data while I can. I sadly do expect them to remove us from it sometime this year or throttling us like ATT. I am out of contract since this month and wondering if I should renew or buy phones off-contract to keep my unlimited data?
 

boosterp

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Nerdy,
Right now there is no indication VZW will remove the unlim data plan. Hell, it took them 5 yrs to finally phase out the Altel mobile broadband unlim data and that was dine through not supporting Altel devices anymore. VZW sent out letters letting the off contract customers know.
 

4ktvs

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How many times are you going to post that tired-assed video?

1) It's a new video

2) I only did becuase he wanted speed test, so I gave him some.

3) your just mad that some one could have an issue with crap you have.

4) Before you ask: I have gone to both the FCC and the BBB. ( I did that yesterday and now will wait for there reply.)
 

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1) It's a new video

2) I only did becuase he wanted speed test, so I gave him some.

3) your just mad that some one could have an issue with crap you have.

4) Before you ask: I have gone to both the FCC and the BBB. ( I did that yesterday and now will wait for there reply.)


Verizon is not slowing you down at all. You need to get your account rebuilt and your problems will go away. The same exact problem happened to a friend of mine who had 4 devices replaced. Now posting the same false info in every post is border line trolling and should earn you time in a corner :D
 
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I don't care if you guys disagree with me or insult or whatever you want for saying this, but you're ridiculous for using that much data on a mobile device. You are the reason carriers are switching to tiered plans, and you're the reason networks are strained and other users don't get adequate connections.
 
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Sorry buddy, while true networks are strained across all the major players in 3G, they are not in LTE. LTE allows for more throughput, more people using said data, and cost the networks a lot less to maintain and upgrade. This is an industry fact, reference Current Analytics. You'll need an account though.
 

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I hope they do not start trying to force people off until after the next iPhone release and I lock in another 2 years
 

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Sorry buddy, while true networks are strained across all the major players in 3G, they are not in LTE. LTE allows for more throughput, more people using said data, and cost the networks a lot less to maintain and upgrade. This is an industry fact, reference Current Analytics. You'll need an account though.

This might be true today but it won't last. How does someone blow through +100gb in a cycle? Video. Not easily abused in 3g but give them 4g and watch what happens. Cancel your cable internet and use your 4g exclusively. Tether everything you can think of. That 4g bottleneck will be right around the corner and watch the unlimiteds become extinct. :eek:

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This might be true today but it won't last. How does someone blow through +100gb in a cycle? Video. Not easily abused in 3g but give them 4g and watch what happens. Cancel your cable internet and use your 4g exclusively. Tether everything you can think of. That 4g bottleneck will be right around the corner and watch the unlimiteds become extinct. :eek:

Sent from my SCH-I510 using XDA

It's not true today because not many people are on 4G. It's just like when 3G came out and it wasn't something everyone had. Either way, blowing through even 50GB is ridiculous on a phone. I'm not against people tethering, as long as it's not excessive. A little browsing, a little downloading, fine. But to use your phone as a modem 24/7 is ridiculous and greedy.

Yeah you're paying for "unlimited"...Unlimited to a reasonable extent, not 9,999,999GB. I'm not siding with the carriers. In fact I think they should take your money and not worry about how you use your data. And I think they charge an obscene amount of money for service. But once you start abusing the network at other people's expense, the fun stops.
 

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It's not true today because not many people are on 4G. It's just like when 3G came out and it wasn't something everyone had. Either way, blowing through even 50GB is ridiculous on a phone. I'm not against people tethering, as long as it's not excessive. A little browsing, a little downloading, fine. But to use your phone as a modem 24/7 is ridiculous and greedy.

Yeah you're paying for "unlimited"...Unlimited to a reasonable extent, not 9,999,999GB. I'm not siding with the carriers. In fact I think they should take your money and not worry about how you use your data. And I think they charge an obscene amount of money for service. But once you start abusing the network at other people's expense, the fun stops.

What if you commute an hour each way to and from work each day on a train, and want to watch HD video while doing so? That's 4000kbps lets say, 500kBps *60 sec * 60 min * 2 hr * 5 days a week * 4 wk/month / 1024kb/mb / 1024mb/gb= 68.66 GB a month just from daily video watching, not including any audio streaming at work or web browsing on weekends or on the go or other activities. I don't think I'd call that abuse, despite it being a lot of data. Granted it is a rare case. Most people drive to work or can't watch shows on their way, or don't have 1 hr commutes. However given that I've had LTE for all of 4 days now and used 1.6GB and all I've done is load less than 10 youtube videos, do some basic web browsing, and run a lot of speed tests. I can easily see even a moderate user hitting 20GB/month without any excessive use let alone actual abuse.

Basically I guess I'm trying to point out that reasonable "unlimited" is subjective, and can't just be decided at random.
 

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This might be true today but it won't last. That 4g bottleneck will be right around the corner and watch the unlimiteds become extinct. :eek:

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Without violating NDAs with two different carriers and a law or three I can say LTE allows for a lot more expansion at a much lower cost and almost twice the users than does 3G whether it is CDMA or GSM/HSPA. The sheer reason is equipment related. So, we will not see "throttling, data caps, etc for quite some time. If you want to read more about it you can read both VZW's and ATT's FCC applications.
 

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I wonder if this will let you break contract.

Nope. They don't remove your existing grandfathered plan unless you agree to it. You have to agree to it if you want a new phone. That wouldn't break any contract.

Not surprising in the least. Sprint will have to soon end too and remove grandfathered unlimited.

Why?

Sprint doesn't even offer limited data plans, so I'm not sure how they'd remove any grandfathered plans since there aren't any to begin with.

Sprint is a pathetic carrier, but their current selling point is being the only carrier with unlimited data. Without that they don't have ****, so I don't think they'd drop it any time soon.
 
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Without violating NDAs with two different carriers and a law or three I can say LTE allows for a lot more expansion at a much lower cost and almost twice the users than does 3G whether it is CDMA or GSM/HSPA. The sheer reason is equipment related. So, we will not see "throttling, data caps, etc for quite some time. If you want to read more about it you can read both VZW's and ATT's FCC applications.

That's vague. I'm sure towers with 4G still have the same amount of fiber lines going to them as the 3G towers. I've been in Verizon towers myself to strip/wax floors and saw they just had T3s and a T1 for 1X on some of the towers. Did they get bigger connections for 4G or something? I'm sure LTE itself allows for more tower to phone traffic but what about from tower to the actual network?
 

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Didn't someone higher up in VZW admit that they will throttle a phone that is a "data hog" if its on a "strained tower"?

Also I have been told (which doesn't mean much) by many advanced tech's that unless I change my data package that I will have it forever.

But it doesn't bother me too much, I only use around 5-6gbs a month...maybe.
 

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I love all the misinformation, conjecture, an the posting of a professional email, signs of the derogation of society.

Perhaps lack of education is actually what is leading to the "degradation" of society. Yes?

I really came in under the wire on this one. I upgraded about three months ago; still have my unlimited data. I never really understood why providers are simply eliminating unlimited plans rather than charging exorbitant amounts of money which plenty of people would pay.

I don't know. I am assuming they are idiots. A recent study came out illustrating unlimited customers were not using anymore data than the "capped" customers. The gist of the study was by eliminating tiers of service between 300mb and 3 gb they (the carriers) were forcing people onto 3gb plans to avoid overage fees. On at&t the 300mb plan costs $20. You go over you get charged $20 for the next 300mb. Now the 3gb plan costs $30. So why take chances? Get the 3gb plan. But now that a bunch of people are getting the 3gb plan they mean to use it. Instead of having a 800mb plan or a 1gb plan they forced people onto a 3gb plan. So now that people have paid for 3gb they mean to use 3gb which means the network takes an exponential hit. Now at&t is whining about excessive use. But there are far fewer unlimited plan users out there than new 3gb users.

I have a new unlimited plan. I doubt I'll go over 3gb in normal usage. I got the plan because through my company it costs the same as a 3gb plan. Honestly with a little common sense and restraint I doubt I would go over 300mb. But if I want to relax why not pay $10/month more? Well now you are on the 3gb plan and if you have it use it.

at&t's strategy makes no sense. The solution to their network woes is having a plan in between 300mm and 3gb. An order of magnitude?! Are you serious? They need to rework their price structure and bandwidth tiers. Hammering unlimited plan customers ain't gonna solve their problems.

Didn't someone higher up in VZW admit that they will throttle a phone that is a "data hog" if its on a "strained tower"?

I don't know, but to me that would make sense. If you are streaming tons of data on a lightly used LTE tower on a Sunday afternoon why should they throttle you? Most of my heavy data use does NOT occur during the business day. Data should be like minutes. If you are using it off peak and on a non-congested tower they should let you download away.

I'm sure LTE itself allows for more tower to phone traffic but what about from tower to the actual network?

That's the real question. We don't want to be gouged but at the same time carriers have costs. I would really love to know what the TRUE costs are. I think at&t should make a profit. I just don't think they should make an exorbitant profit. Plus I like things to make sense. $20 for unlimited text and $30 for "unlimited" data doesn't make sense. My text messaging puts zero strain on the at&t network. If I abused by unlimited data plan it would definitely make a dent... until throttling kicked in.

What if you commute an hour each way to and from work each day on a train, and want to watch HD video while doing so? That's 4000kbps lets say, 500kBps *60 sec * 60 min * 2 hr * 5 days a week * 4 wk/month / 1024kb/mb / 1024mb/gb= 68.66 GB a month just from daily video watching, not including any audio streaming at work or web browsing on weekends or on the go or other activities. I don't think I'd call that abuse, despite it being a lot of data.

You do realize with modern technology you can download video podcasts at night over wifi while your phone charges.


However given that I've had LTE for all of 4 days now and used 1.6GB and all I've done is load less than 10 youtube videos, do some basic web browsing, and run a lot of speed tests. I can easily see even a moderate user hitting 20GB/month without any excessive use let alone actual abuse.

The network should not be required to accommodate excessive "speed tests."

I have no plans of abusing at&t's network. But if I am on the road and I plug my phone in overnight I should be able to download all the latest podcasts with minimal hassle. I think that is a reasonable accommodation. Unfortunately at&t or Microsoft has denied that. They will not download podcasts over cellular even during off hours. So if I am on the road and it is midnight and I want to download a podcast for the next day I have to sign up for hotel wifi even if there is a 30 Mbits/sec unused LTE tower near by. Total technology fail.

Sorry buddy, while true networks are strained across all the major players in 3G, they are not in LTE. LTE allows for more throughput, more people using said data, and cost the networks a lot less to maintain and upgrade. This is an industry fact, reference Current Analytics. You'll need an account though.

I'm with you on that... till a point. Wait until the iphone LTE hits. Then tell me what is and is not "strained." If it's not strained then they should let us unlimited LTE guys download with impunity. If it's strained then some sensible temporary throttling makes sense in my opinion.
 
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    I should have posted this two months ago when I found out, but got lazy. The now $30 fee reminded me and I decided I should pass the info along. I had a conversation with:

    Handsets, Product Distribution, Business
    Brenda Raney
    908-559-7518
    Brenda.Raney@VerizonWireless.com

    This conversation was about the NFC blocking but I baited her with a comment and she responded by saying something along the lines of "Unlimited Data would no longer be an option on "Advanced" handsets released later this year (2012). When you upgrade to one of these new "Advanced" (IE Smartphone) you will have to give up your unlimited data plan and pick a paid package."

    She would not tell me when it would happen, but said that Verizon was not under any obligation to continue to grandfather people with unlimited data. I fully expect this to happen as soon as Quad Core phones hit the market.

    Just one more drop in the bucket. Removing unlimited data packages for new subscribers, removing early upgrades, every two discounts, blocking Google from releasing direct updates for developer devices like the Galaxy Nexus, and now the $30 upgrade fee.

    No, I did not record the phone conversation but the removal of grandfathered unlimited data will happen, and sooner then later. Feel free to chalk it up to a rumor if you don't believe me but when it happens, don't say I didn't warn you.
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    I love all the misinformation, conjecture, an the posting of a professional email, signs of the derogation of society.

    Perhaps lack of education is actually what is leading to the "degradation" of society. Yes?

    I really came in under the wire on this one. I upgraded about three months ago; still have my unlimited data. I never really understood why providers are simply eliminating unlimited plans rather than charging exorbitant amounts of money which plenty of people would pay.

    I don't know. I am assuming they are idiots. A recent study came out illustrating unlimited customers were not using anymore data than the "capped" customers. The gist of the study was by eliminating tiers of service between 300mb and 3 gb they (the carriers) were forcing people onto 3gb plans to avoid overage fees. On at&t the 300mb plan costs $20. You go over you get charged $20 for the next 300mb. Now the 3gb plan costs $30. So why take chances? Get the 3gb plan. But now that a bunch of people are getting the 3gb plan they mean to use it. Instead of having a 800mb plan or a 1gb plan they forced people onto a 3gb plan. So now that people have paid for 3gb they mean to use 3gb which means the network takes an exponential hit. Now at&t is whining about excessive use. But there are far fewer unlimited plan users out there than new 3gb users.

    I have a new unlimited plan. I doubt I'll go over 3gb in normal usage. I got the plan because through my company it costs the same as a 3gb plan. Honestly with a little common sense and restraint I doubt I would go over 300mb. But if I want to relax why not pay $10/month more? Well now you are on the 3gb plan and if you have it use it.

    at&t's strategy makes no sense. The solution to their network woes is having a plan in between 300mm and 3gb. An order of magnitude?! Are you serious? They need to rework their price structure and bandwidth tiers. Hammering unlimited plan customers ain't gonna solve their problems.

    Didn't someone higher up in VZW admit that they will throttle a phone that is a "data hog" if its on a "strained tower"?

    I don't know, but to me that would make sense. If you are streaming tons of data on a lightly used LTE tower on a Sunday afternoon why should they throttle you? Most of my heavy data use does NOT occur during the business day. Data should be like minutes. If you are using it off peak and on a non-congested tower they should let you download away.

    I'm sure LTE itself allows for more tower to phone traffic but what about from tower to the actual network?

    That's the real question. We don't want to be gouged but at the same time carriers have costs. I would really love to know what the TRUE costs are. I think at&t should make a profit. I just don't think they should make an exorbitant profit. Plus I like things to make sense. $20 for unlimited text and $30 for "unlimited" data doesn't make sense. My text messaging puts zero strain on the at&t network. If I abused by unlimited data plan it would definitely make a dent... until throttling kicked in.

    What if you commute an hour each way to and from work each day on a train, and want to watch HD video while doing so? That's 4000kbps lets say, 500kBps *60 sec * 60 min * 2 hr * 5 days a week * 4 wk/month / 1024kb/mb / 1024mb/gb= 68.66 GB a month just from daily video watching, not including any audio streaming at work or web browsing on weekends or on the go or other activities. I don't think I'd call that abuse, despite it being a lot of data.

    You do realize with modern technology you can download video podcasts at night over wifi while your phone charges.


    However given that I've had LTE for all of 4 days now and used 1.6GB and all I've done is load less than 10 youtube videos, do some basic web browsing, and run a lot of speed tests. I can easily see even a moderate user hitting 20GB/month without any excessive use let alone actual abuse.

    The network should not be required to accommodate excessive "speed tests."

    I have no plans of abusing at&t's network. But if I am on the road and I plug my phone in overnight I should be able to download all the latest podcasts with minimal hassle. I think that is a reasonable accommodation. Unfortunately at&t or Microsoft has denied that. They will not download podcasts over cellular even during off hours. So if I am on the road and it is midnight and I want to download a podcast for the next day I have to sign up for hotel wifi even if there is a 30 Mbits/sec unused LTE tower near by. Total technology fail.

    Sorry buddy, while true networks are strained across all the major players in 3G, they are not in LTE. LTE allows for more throughput, more people using said data, and cost the networks a lot less to maintain and upgrade. This is an industry fact, reference Current Analytics. You'll need an account though.

    I'm with you on that... till a point. Wait until the iphone LTE hits. Then tell me what is and is not "strained." If it's not strained then they should let us unlimited LTE guys download with impunity. If it's strained then some sensible temporary throttling makes sense in my opinion.
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    1) It's a new video

    2) I only did becuase he wanted speed test, so I gave him some.

    3) your just mad that some one could have an issue with crap you have.

    4) Before you ask: I have gone to both the FCC and the BBB. ( I did that yesterday and now will wait for there reply.)


    Verizon is not slowing you down at all. You need to get your account rebuilt and your problems will go away. The same exact problem happened to a friend of mine who had 4 devices replaced. Now posting the same false info in every post is border line trolling and should earn you time in a corner :D
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    I don't care if you guys disagree with me or insult or whatever you want for saying this, but you're ridiculous for using that much data on a mobile device. You are the reason carriers are switching to tiered plans, and you're the reason networks are strained and other users don't get adequate connections.
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    Yeah. If everybody used 4GB on 3G, and continued using 4GB on 4G, then network quality and capacity would increase. But now there are these nutjobs that think it's totally normal to use 50GB, 60GB, 100GB "because the 4G is faster so I use more data". Data speed has nothing to do with what you use. You're tempted to use more data because the data is faster. Downloading a 700MB movie on 3G is the same thing as downloading a 700MB movie on 4G; it doesn't magically turn into 1.4GB.

    Like I was saying earlier, my neighbor told that he will use his phone to download movies all night while he is sleeping.

    I didn't really say much...I just thought to myself "it will be because of people like you I will lose my unlimited data."