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Stericson

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The above poster is a miracle-working dev working on root for multiple phones, and he wants and needs input from all owners, and he's feeling really hamstrung because of the obsessive constraints that have been placed on the content allowed in this thread, so he's having to resort to extra lengths to get the info he needs.

Just wanted you to know the problem you've created here. This post isn't intended as a whine, rather as a plea. Please open up the rules just a little so Sensation owners can speak up in this thread!

I submit that this post is unarguably dev-related and doesn't deserve a ban. Thank you very much.

First of all, don't lecture me about a "miracle-working dev" that needs input from all owners. I know full well what it takes to root devices and what it takes to support multiple devices. I also know, from what I have heard, that this dev did not do this on his own, this has been a TEAM effort. So stop trying to give credit to a single dev.

Second of all, there is a general development area in XDA that he can go to to get information from a multitude of devices. A DEVICE SPECIFIC FORUM is not the place for that. People come here to find information about the EVO 3d, not the Sensation, not the Mytouch 4G or any other device on the market.

Third of all, you are whining and your doing so after I have already stated the rules of the road for a device specific thread.

If this thread continues to fill up with this nonsense, which for the most part lately is not development related, I am just going to close the entire thread and leave it closed until there is something to post that is DEV related.

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Seriously... Spam much?

Guys really... nothing being posted since Shinzul posted a while back has been remotely helpful.

Remember, this is the dev forum.

As TeamWin:
  • We haz your rootz.
  • We are fighting hard to keep your rootz.
  • We hope to take your pant S-OFF soon.
  • If you took the OTA, you're safe now but don't do it again. You have been warned.

Be patient. You'll likely see agrabren or shinzul or someone else in TeamWin (our names are here http://teamw.in/) tweet something when we have more news.

Until then... calmate...
 
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xHausx

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Thank you will fre3vo work for s-off as well or will we still be unable to write to the hboot partition of the emmc.

Will tools like gfree or wpthis assist us in unlockin the emmc for write to hboot? Or am I just talking outta my arse


sent from my EVO 3D

I believe they said wpthis was fixed a long time ago but not to sure about gfree. That is definitely something to look in to.

I believe it needs a module to be used for it to work so well have to check with the person who created it

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I have a serious question, in regards to htc unlocking phone, will there be a hardware watermark that i have heard about that will show that the phone has been rooted and voids the warranty
 

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I have a serious question, in regards to htc unlocking phone, will there be a hardware watermark that i have heard about that will show that the phone has been rooted and voids the warranty

We don't know, but that would be a safe assumption. Unlocking/rooting your phone has always voided your warranty, we've just always been able to change it back without them knowing.
 

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I have a serious question, in regards to htc unlocking phone, will there be a hardware watermark that i have heard about that will show that the phone has been rooted and voids the warranty

Most likely yes. I don't remember where or who said it, but I remember hearing they were aware all they had to do was sign a firmware zip with an unlocked hboot in it and they decided to not do it that way. So, although I have no idea of knowing if that is true or not it definitely sounds like something they would be trying to do if they aren't going to do it the easy way. They also haven't specified exactly what they're going to unlock yet.
 
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look guys

I understand your enthusiasim over this new root possibility , my advice is to keep your questions to yourself for the time being, the most important thing now to do is to observe what is really going on and then you can ask questions when things are more clear.

Teamwin guys said WAIT , so let`s all wait for a time , because only they know the reality and let`s wait for their official reply and HOW TO guide.

Trust me, I`ve had 11 HTC`s so far and on 11 of them I had the same feelings you are having right now. This waiting period is killing me but what can I do other than waiting , there will be alot of time for questions when the S-OFF and the Root has been officially accomplished....
 

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OTA Update that Voids Warranty would probably be illegal

I have a serious question, in regards to htc unlocking phone, will there be a hardware watermark that i have heard about that will show that the phone has been rooted and voids the warranty

I am sorry if this is too off topic but no one has given an answer to this question. . .

HTC cannot push an OTA to every Evo3D unlocking the bootloader that will void warranties. Even if it were optional, the uninformed masses would of course accept it without second thought. (There is also no setup in the OTA updating system (to my knowledge) for giving warnings about voiding warranties or the like.)

I haven't looked into the details of what jurisdiction governs the warranty contracts on the Evo3D but I am sure there is some prohibition against sneaky ways of voiding the warranty by the manufacturer.

Many have thrown around the idea of a class action suit over the failure of HTC to (at this time) live up to the CEO promise of unlocking the bootloaders. Such an class action would not likely succeed. However, if the manufacturer pushed an OTA update that voided all Evo 3D warranties, that would probably be a class action worth pursuing.

I do not even think that an update only published on the HTC website with explicit warnings about voiding warranties if applied would be allowed.

However, if the warranty contracts are controlled by some off the wall legal jurisdiction, I could be wrong.

Any other thoughts?
 

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Take the HTC unlock talk to another thread. Jeez.. do you people have short term memory loss or something?

Already did. I posted in the General section. I posted here since the question has been raised so often I thought that some reasonable answer would lower the number of posts.

I could be wrong though. . . .

i did as well, thanks ftc_osiris i didnt see yours before i posted mine..

my thread is here

ftc_osiris's is here

please direct any conversation about the OTA updates to these threads.. thank you

and please dont ban trying to move some off topic out of this thread
 

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As promised, this thread has been closed due to the constant non-dev related material that is being dumped into this thread.

If someone from Team Win wants this open, please let me know and I will re-open it when new information is available.
 

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As promised, this thread has been closed due to the constant non-dev related material that is being dumped into this thread.

If someone from Team Win wants this open, please let me know and I will re-open it when new information is available.

???? This isnt Team Wins thread.....it's xHausx's thread!
 

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I've been tinkering with wpthis and gfree to assist in emmc unlocking

wpthis may be a viable option depending on if Scotty2 can help

here is the result of where im at although this is stuff you probably already know

root@Voodoo:/home/bryan/Downloads/sdk/platform-tools# ./adb shell /data/local/tmp/wpthis
Build: 25
Section header entry size: 40
Number of section headers: 45
Total section header table size: 1800
Section header file offset: 0x00014e90 (85648)
Section index for section name string table: 42
String table offset: 0x00014cc7 (85191)
Searching for .modinfo section...
- Section[16]: .modinfo
-- offset: 0x00000f80 (3968)
-- size: 0x000000c4 (196)
Kernel release: 2.6.35.10-gcb1cf83
New .modinfo section size: 204
Loading module... Failed.
Module returned an unknown code (Exec format error).
root@Voodoo:/home/bryan/Downloads/sdk/platform-tools#

i tried compiling the .ko myself and insmod'ing it

no dice

so i emailed scotty 2 and asked for help but idk if he will reply

i also have tried commands like Dd if of type statements with no avail
 

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o_0 it's open again?

I was kind of enjoying not having to maintain it lol

back on topic...
here's a fixed one, the other one I grabbed the wrong file on and thats why it didn't work. The script itself is only for win but it should be able simple to adapt it for linux/osx pretty easily.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18734200/3DROOT-4.zip
 
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http://www.4shared.com/file/jVewCBkT/fre3vobattar.html?

theres one modded for linux

just place in folder with adb and other parts of fre3vo

then run ./fre3vo.bat from terminal after setting permissions

http://www.4shared.com/file/vkrKC-nD/platform-toolstar.html?

there is a complete modded version for linux

just place in /pathtoyoursdk/platform-tools/

open terminal
cd /pathtoyoursdk/platform-tools/
chmod +x *
./fre3vo.bat

and it it go

it will sit on # after running
press ctrl+c to kill script

your rooted with SU
 
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o_0 it's open again?

I was kind of enjoying not having to maintain it lol

back on topic...
here's a fixed one, the other one I grabbed the wrong file on and thats why it didn't work. The script itself is only for win but it should be able simple to adapt it for linux/osx pretty easily.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18734200/3DROOT-4.zip

At the risk of being banned

Thank you for the zip I've been trying all morning to get su to work long enough to use tb but couldn't do it til I downloaded your zip. Thanks again

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Thank you for the zip I've been trying all morning to get su to work long enough to use tb but couldn't do it til I downloaded your zip. Thanks again

Sent from my PG86100 using XDA App

yeah, htc did something to this one that is being a pain. It will occasionaly block su from working as if it's not there even though it shows it being there. I've also spent all morning trying to leave myself a backdoor and can't for the life of me get it to give me su access again.
 
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    I'll answer a few more questions...

    1. OTA updates: The reason not to accept an OTA now is for the next stage, getting s-off. Now that HTC is aware that we have a very likely exploit to their latest generation of devices, they may push an OTA that makes getting s-off.harder.

    2. Sensation: I'm pretty sure it will work on the sensation, although it may need a few minor tweaks.

    3. Secrecy: The reason we're not releasing the details of the exploit yet is to prevent a forced or even optional OTA from closing the hole before we can use it for root. Without root, we can't do much to prevent OTAs.

    4. Timeline: Let's be fair. It does take time to go from a hole in the kernel to root. We're working blind here. Because we have no source tree in hand, and no root, we are punching holes in the kernel in the dark. We have some tools to help, but it's still a challenge. I wouldn't expect anything released before the weekend.

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    DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD UNTIL YOU READ THIS
    Congrats and mad props to Agrabren and Team WIN for punching a hole through HTCs software and getting root! Agraben now has a thread for it so make sure you thank them for all of their hard work: [GUIDE] Fre3vo / Fre3dom Official Thread

    The thread got way off track for awhile there but maybe now we can keep it close to being on topic. As long as it is somewhat related to the topic you won't hear me complain, however, this is Not the place to ask about Netflix, why your Battery doesn't last all week or how you can get out of paying a dollar a day for wireless tethering. For those of you just getting your phones, if you find that your bootloader is unlocked (read: S-OFF) please send me a PM. Also, if you're still unsure about the differences between S-OFF, and Root, and what it all means; you can check out the Android Dictionary or feel free to ask in the Q&A section. I know the dictionary there is somewhat lacking but it's still pretty good.


    Now that root has been obtained we are able to focus on getting S-OFF and opening these things up for ROMs. HTC is using a new security scheme with these that hasn't made it easy so far, but as is with anything new it's going to have holes that are just waiting to be found. Using Flash_image to flash directly looks to be a dead end but there are still many different angles that are being worked on at the moment. Please jump in anytime if you have an idea that you think may help.

    I have attached a few things to this bottom of this post and dragonfyre13's thread has a lot of good info that is being deposited there: Root: shaking something loose [WIP]. Odds are very good our current method of getting root won't last long so it never hurts to start looking for something new early.


    If you find the file SMART_IO.CRD on your sd card please do not delete or format anything on it and let us know.

    The read and writesecureflag commands show the following when you try to use them:
    Code:
    fastboot oem readsecureflag
    ... INFOsecure_flag: 3
    OKAY
    
    fastboot oem writesecureflag ?
    ... INFO shooter_init_sd, SD card already power on
    INFOsdcc_init_memory_device done
    INFO[FAT_ERROR] fat_open_file: can not find SMART_IO.CRD
    INFO[JAVACARD_ERR] SMART_IO.CRD cann't find
    INFOwritesecureflag: Permission denied, value 1
    OKAY


    Update 6/28: Many are wondering if the Incredible 2 being unlocked would help us and Shinzul posted a good explanation of how it relates to where we are:
    Alpha Rev X has released a beta version of their Incredible2 S-OFF utility:

    http://alpharev.nl/x/beta/

    I can only imagine that the method used could quite possibly be adapted to the 3D. Someone needs to open these tools up in IDA and start reverse-engineering.

    The incredible 2 shipped with Froyo on it, which means that there are plenty of available exploits that can be used to gain a root shell. As far as I understand, the inc2 guys didn't have a leaked eng bootloader, so once they had temp root, they had no way to unlock the bootloader without essentially hex editing the existing one and then coming up with a process to overwrite the existing one.

    We have an eng bootloader for the 3VO, so all we really need to do is gain a root shell and then write the boot and recovery images and reboot - poof, s-off.

    Props to the AlphaRev team for the inc2 work, but unfortunately, it doesn't help one bit for us.



    Disclaimer: You and you alone are responsible for anything you do to your phone. Do not attempt anything that is in this thread, or on this site for that matter, if you do not want to risk damaging your phone.


    DL link for gingerbreak is here.
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    has there ever been a post in this thread contributing to root on the evo 3d i mean sure people threw ideas out there but everyone in this thread knows the devs working on root were in there own irc and doing it behind the scenes cause my guess would be that they dont like these threads or atleast try to stay away from them.

    For starters, let me just say that I literally read every reply on every page of this thread.

    You never know what off-the-wall idea may spur devs into finding an exploit. Creativity is to be encouraged - so thanks to everyone who contributed in some way.

    SECOND, the root method is a BRAND NEW EXPLOIT that we are not going to share any details on how it works.

    The next step is to work on getting s-off. The hboot is definitely nand-locked, so I can't just push the eng hboot and win.

    Will keep looking.
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    Ok, to clarify... We've definitely found a hole. We're working to make an exploit that can take advantage of the hole. It'll take us a day or so to sift through the wreckage (as it were). By time the first attack at the hole was done, my device would only boot with /data mounted as ro and the screen wouldn't turn on. So a factory reset later, and we're sifting through the results. But this is definitely promising.
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    Ya'll make my job hard :\

    I'm the only one moderating the forum at this time and this thread shot from 120 pages yesterday to 182 pages today.

    I know we are all excited about root being achieved, but let me remind you that NOONE has offered any proof of any kind. Furthermore, even if root has been achieved I am not going to tolerate trash being dumped into this thread. So, after I clean up all the junk in the last 30 pages and re-open the thread. Do not start posting congratulations, I wanna have your baby comments, or any of that other junk.

    If this gets out of hand I will take whatever steps I have to get things under control even if that means temp banning people for a day.

    Regards,
    Stephen