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4th February 2012, 08:46 AM   |  #201  
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You're totally right.. after i saw the first previews of the Win8 i decided to return to the Win 98.. lol
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I totally agree..because what we expect from a PC is ease of access not the other way around...especially from keyboard and mouse they want us to use tiles
feels kinda stupid..the wrost case is search if I want to access a program is that really necessary for me to know which category it will falls in...its easy sometimes but not in the case of normal users....if MS really doesn't want to face the vista situation...they need to really think about the PC version of Win8....one more thing I want yo point out is that OS is really good for touchscreen capable devices but not for analog device operation....this is my opinion for the current developer built and not for win8 as a whole...

Modern desktop monitors and TVs are widescreen; it would be foolish to have a vertical scrolling interface...

I've tested windows 8 on my laptop (with touchscreen) and my desktop. I removed it because it's much too unstable at the moment, but I enjoyed the experience and I definitely see potential for awesomeness once the market fills out.

I think most of the naysayers haven't owned a WP7 device; yeah it's weird when you start out, but when you learn how to use the system, it's the most efficient and awesome UI anyone could ask for. Those of you who have "used" it and hate it probably never really understood how it works, or else are just blind fanboys of other systems, flaming away and unable to have an open mind. It works, it's efficient, it's a good system. Get over it, no one cares if you hate it.
But since there are basically zero tiles for Windows 8 right now, none of the naysayers are able to actually see what it will be capable of.

From my perspective, Windows 8 works great with keyboard and mouse, and using it with the touchscreen (as a tablet) is effortless and intuitive; so much so I might actually buy a windows 8 tablet when one comes out (my previous stance on tablets is; they're a gimmick, just toys for gaming and watching videos... all of which my laptop does better. If the windows 8 tablets aren't ARM, god I hope they aren't, they will actually be able to run x32 x64 exes. In addition to most of android's stuff, and also, WP7's stuff).
That said, windows 8 is worst on a laptop with a touchpad. Touchpads are inferior in general, but with a laptop you are often forced to use it. For some reason, a touchpad on windows 8 is excruciatingly painful, and I found myself hugging the keyboard shortcuts more than ever.

Right now, as many have pointed out, this is no indicator of what 8 will look like. This developer preview is more like 7 in a fancy new hat than a full blown release (think, WP7 skins for winmo 6; looks like it, but you can't actually have the apps or do anything new).

For those who said the registry might be going away and windows will be "x1000 better without it"... the registry may get cluttered over time, but clutter does not contribute to system performance in any way. It just annoys some people, and the "registry cleaners" fool everyone into thinking a cluttered registry is bad. This. Is. False. There may be one ill defined key that causes the system to hang in a certain situation, and a registry cleaner *might* find it while it takes out a third of your registry, giving you the illusion that cleaning made it "x1000 better".
As far as registry vs ini files; registry settings are better for compatibility. You can back up settings on XP and bring them over to 7, whereas with a program that uses AppData, you must manually place it in the correct new slot, or god forbid it doesn't even used appdata, you need to put it in the correct folder... etc etc. and If the registry goes, then that will invalidate a lot of useful registry tweaks online (and who knows if the new location for system settings will be so easily accessible, or closed off to everyone but the most cunning hackers?). Just musing, but really the registry isn't doing much harm; those calling out for the noose seem to be disillusioned as to what the registry is actually responsible for.
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4th February 2012, 09:34 PM   |  #203  
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Finally a voice of reason!

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5th February 2012, 12:53 AM   |  #204  
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You're totally right.. after i saw the first previews of the Win8 i decided to return to the Win 98.. lol

Yeah, it is easily mistaken for Windows 98

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Finally a voice of reason!

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Says the person who thinks Windows Mobile 7 is a smartphone...
But, I digress...

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5th February 2012, 02:10 AM   |  #205  
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Yeah, it is easily mistaken for Windows 98



Says the person who thinks Windows Mobile 7 is a smartphone...
But, I digress...

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It's windows PHONE 7, not windows mobile 7. If you're trying to play Mr. know-it-all and look down on other people, best get your facts right first.

Let's try to steer this thread to a more civilized discussion, eh? Windows Phone 7 is classified as a smartphone, that's not going to change just because you don't like it. Enough of this petty tit for tat.
5th February 2012, 03:40 AM   |  #206  
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I think too .. though i haven't seen it yet ..
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I don't buy apple, but after Microsoft's WM7 bs, I'd have to say that IOS outruns any Windows Mobile 7, as does BlackBerry and BADA. It looks cool, but it's just useless - I mean, what can you do with it?

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I somewhere agree with you and also disagree...i had a HD7 when it launched, uses it for a year and got tired of it...no wallpaper, so access to system files...phew...in the end i almost wondered do i really owe this device or not...anyways, but the OS per say isn't bad...its snappy, fast and v v responsive...i will agree iOS is slightly better, but i hate Apple as I think they every product is a daylight robbery...IMHO. Am on RaZr now and I am happy...

And since you mentioned BB OS, here is something to laugh on while we all see it die a slow death, the shortest joke in the world - Blackberry Smartphone...

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Yeah, it is easily mistaken for Windows 98







Says the person who thinks Windows Mobile 7 is a smartphone...

But, I digress...



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I don't think you know what your talking about.

Also, I'm very careful about what I
Call Windows PHONE 7 ( windows mobile 7 existed but was scraped) I don't compare it to Windows mobile because they are different beasts, WM was (is) a pocket pc, WP is a phone,

With your general lack of understanding and your trolling attitude I suspect you've never used WP, or wm for that matter, your fairly young an your first phone was an android. At least try an be constructive with your posts, no ones telling you to agree one way or another, but if your not able to construct a rational INFORMED debate then you should not return here

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For those who said the registry might be going away and windows will be "x1000 better without it"... the registry may get cluttered over time, but clutter does not contribute to system performance in any way. It just annoys some people, and the "registry cleaners" fool everyone into thinking a cluttered registry is bad. This. Is. False. There may be one ill defined key that causes the system to hang in a certain situation, and a registry cleaner *might* find it while it takes out a third of your registry, giving you the illusion that cleaning made it "x1000 better".

There are performance issues with file-based configs which in general is the main reason for Windows switching from INIs to registry. Pretty much each and every component has some configuration somewhere. When you run an app, you load a bunch of DLLs, each of those read configuration data. Since registry is a single file (well, a bunch of files, less than 4 though) and is properly cached by a system, access to the configuration is super fast. And before someone starts the silly "oh, but Linux uses /etc/ and I've never seen any perf issues" - ask yourself, have you measured this perf? Have you taken into account the fact that Windows has more comprehensive security policies than Linux? Yeah, I know, it's surprising, right? But ACLs and security descriptors provide a much finer granularity of access checks than mods on ext files. For a price, but hey, I hear people like security, right?

Registry is by no means great. It's improved over the years in terms of performance and clarity as to what goes where (developers using it without understanding the structure are the main reason for registry being a complete dumpster) but it bears remembering that it wasn't initially designed to store configuration of the whole universe.

As for Win8 sucking on desktop - the only Windows 8 experience we've seen so far is tailored for the tablets. We haven't seen the desktop Win8 yet so it's completely unsurprising that what we've got (somewhat) sucks on desktop.
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There are performance issues with file-based configs which in general is the main reason for Windows switching from INIs to registry. Pretty much each and every component has some configuration somewhere. When you run an app, you load a bunch of DLLs, each of those read configuration data. Since registry is a single file (well, a bunch of files, less than 4 though) and is properly cached by a system, access to the configuration is super fast. And before someone starts the silly "oh, but Linux uses /etc/ and I've never seen any perf issues" - ask yourself, have you measured this perf? Have you taken into account the fact that Windows has more comprehensive security policies than Linux? Yeah, I know, it's surprising, right? But ACLs and security descriptors provide a much finer granularity of access checks than mods on ext files. For a price, but hey, I hear people like security, right?

Registry is by no means great. It's improved over the years in terms of performance and clarity as to what goes where (developers using it without understanding the structure are the main reason for registry being a complete dumpster) but it bears remembering that it wasn't initially designed to store configuration of the whole universe.

As for Win8 sucking on desktop - the only Windows 8 experience we've seen so far is tailored for the tablets. We haven't seen the desktop Win8 yet so it's completely unsurprising that what we've got (somewhat) sucks on desktop.

Right, I forgot that having one cached location reduces the disk bottlenecking. Playing devil's advocate (and knowing little about how linux works), /etc/ is usually it's own partition, no? (I forget). The linux kernel may very well keep /etc/ cached and defragged (or not even use fragmented recording). At least, that's how I would design it.

As for registry maintenance, I recommend Revo Uninstaller. A lot of apps leave behind files and registry settings, even when you tell them not to. It isn't worth the $30 or so they charge for it (because there are no performance benefits) but I use it for the peace of mind, and troubleshooting non-working programs.
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