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Windows 8 sucks for desktops....

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23rd February 2012, 01:41 AM   |  #261  
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In my opinion Metro will be very useful mostly because of the search feature. Now if I want to open any application I just have to press the windows key and type the first 2/3 letters and hit enter, in a nicer view and faster than w7. The fist week it was... unusual, but now after some month of daily use I can say that's very nice. And for those who can't handle it, it could be disabled so it's like using w7 with ribbon interface in every window. ;)

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23rd February 2012, 06:12 AM   |  #262  
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Windows is just trying to be mac again, and look what they did last time they did that? Windows Vista. It is fast and good to use, IF you don't have to use the horrid Metro start menu. If they were to get multi touch trackpads like macbooks I would say that I would definitely look into it further but I tested it out and wasn't impressed like I thought I would be.
23rd February 2012, 07:09 AM   |  #263  
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I'm apprehensive to keep replying to this thread, because of the blind hatred that is almost always accompanied with a painful amount of ignorance... and any comment I make is quickly buried by more blather. Yet, here I am again. I guess I just can't muster the strength to resist correcting wrongs on the internet. Oh well, maybe I'll learn with time.

I read on one of microsoft's developer blogs that the metro start menu is fullscreen primarily because it allows you to visualize what you have access to. It's also finger friendly, and a whole lot better than 7's start menu that is confined to that little box (XP's was better because it allowed the box to expand across the screen). This makes sense. You should be happy that they are making the start menu more efficient, stop whining.

About tiles; a lot of the people in this thread seem to think that the introduction of tiles equals less user control, or dumbing down the system. Where do you get that idea? Adding a UI layer does not dumb down the whole OS, as it does not change anything about it OS; it is an entirely new UI that doesn't really replace any functionality. If you try to argue that the metro UI as replacing the pinnable area in the 7 start menu, then this is much an improvement: the pins update to give you information without you having to open whatever it launches.

I personally hate widgets; I want to use them because I love the idea of getting information on my desktop, but they cover my wallpaper which I like to have a clear view of. Tiles are perfect; no stupid UI or complex themes, no round edges that don't fit together. Information that's nice and neat, that is a separate UI element from the desktop, so my wallpaper isn't covered. I like it.
I have previously mentioned that the biggest reason people hate live tiles is because they don't know how to use them, or how to properly embrace the system. These would be the people who shut their ears and shout nonsense at the first sign of change. It's incredibly annoying, would you stop?

The only valid arguments against tiles are the ones that point out the inefficient text size. Yes, it could stand to get customizable text sizes and perhaps a few tweaks to accommodate more text information (though I can appreciate that the reasons for the limits; this is supposed to be a preview of content, not the entirety of the content, and we shouldn't start asking for entire articles or books to scroll through tile previews). I believe that these updates are coming, however, on both desktop and WP8, so have patience; there is no reason to spew hate on a work in progress, this is only counter productive. One of the reasons I got WP7 was so that I could follow the development of a new technology. It's quite exciting to see something grow and mature

I know that the 360 has a raging preteen fanboy base, but I really don't want to find out that this also applies to Windows desktop. Go bring your fanboyisms to Mac, or linux if you prefer (though I also like to think the *NIX community is populated by professional bearded developers)

Speaking of the 360, I have not heard any mass complaints over the metro UI overhaul. Contrarily, it seems to be positively received almost universally.
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23rd February 2012, 10:55 AM   |  #264  
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Windows 7 is good enough, ppl are still using xp and dont want to change.
24th February 2012, 12:43 AM   |  #265  
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I'm apprehensive to keep replying to this thread, because of the blind hatred that is almost always accompanied with a painful amount of ignorance... and any comment I make is quickly buried by more blather. Yet, here I am again. I guess I just can't muster the strength to resist correcting wrongs on the internet. Oh well, maybe I'll learn with time.

I read on one of microsoft's developer blogs that the metro start menu is fullscreen primarily because it allows you to visualize what you have access to. It's also finger friendly, and a whole lot better than 7's start menu that is confined to that little box (XP's was better because it allowed the box to expand across the screen). This makes sense. You should be happy that they are making the start menu more efficient, stop whining.

About tiles; a lot of the people in this thread seem to think that the introduction of tiles equals less user control, or dumbing down the system. Where do you get that idea? Adding a UI layer does not dumb down the whole OS, as it does not change anything about it OS; it is an entirely new UI that doesn't really replace any functionality. If you try to argue that the metro UI as replacing the pinnable area in the 7 start menu, then this is much an improvement: the pins update to give you information without you having to open whatever it launches.

I personally hate widgets; I want to use them because I love the idea of getting information on my desktop, but they cover my wallpaper which I like to have a clear view of. Tiles are perfect; no stupid UI or complex themes, no round edges that don't fit together. Information that's nice and neat, that is a separate UI element from the desktop, so my wallpaper isn't covered. I like it.
I have previously mentioned that the biggest reason people hate live tiles is because they don't know how to use them, or how to properly embrace the system. These would be the people who shut their ears and shout nonsense at the first sign of change. It's incredibly annoying, would you stop?

The only valid arguments against tiles are the ones that point out the inefficient text size. Yes, it could stand to get customizable text sizes and perhaps a few tweaks to accommodate more text information (though I can appreciate that the reasons for the limits; this is supposed to be a preview of content, not the entirety of the content, and we shouldn't start asking for entire articles or books to scroll through tile previews). I believe that these updates are coming, however, on both desktop and WP8, so have patience; there is no reason to spew hate on a work in progress, this is only counter productive. One of the reasons I got WP7 was so that I could follow the development of a new technology. It's quite exciting to see something grow and mature

I know that the 360 has a raging preteen fanboy base, but I really don't want to find out that this also applies to Windows desktop. Go bring your fanboyisms to Mac, or linux if you prefer (though I also like to think the *NIX community is populated by professional bearded developers)

Speaking of the 360, I have not heard any mass complaints over the metro UI overhaul. Contrarily, it seems to be positively received almost universally.

Well said. Cover pretty much what i think about Windows 8 and Metro.
Also have a good point on pointing abou the idea bout using the widgets without having them covered up our wallpaper, i have never thought about it.
24th February 2012, 12:56 AM   |  #266  
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Well said. Cover pretty much what i think about Windows 8 and Metro.
Also have a good point on pointing abou the idea bout using the widgets without having them covered up our wallpaper, i have never thought about it.

I usually use that argument against Android. If they want to have even half the information a Windows Phone user gets, they have to fill their screen with widgets, which ends up becoming a wallpaper with random stuff on top.

On Metro, you have the information right there, and the different tiles are your "wallpaper".
24th February 2012, 01:35 AM   |  #267  
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I tought that we are talking about pc os not phones, so i dont understand why you bring android. My desktop looks like this and i dont need stupid blocks on my desktop to show me twitter and facebook updates. They could make some pop up window for notifications like on osx not to take my whole screen, plus u dont use pc for same stuff like phones, because pc is for doing serious stuff, i think that biggiest fail of win8 is that is dummbed down to look like phone os.

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24th February 2012, 02:52 AM   |  #268  
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I have to say that i fu....g hate metro UI, its fugly. Its fugly on phones, its fugly on tablets its fugly on whatever you put it on.

Because this is what you said. And No, it could be your taste is different, but Sale of Windows Phone is going up.
24th February 2012, 03:32 AM   |  #269  
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Because this is what you said. And No, it could be your taste is different, but Sale of Windows Phone is going up.

Were there sales numbers released by microsoft ?

I've seen percentages of growth claimed, but never a number of units from an official source. Please link !
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Were there sales numbers released by microsoft ?

I've seen percentages of growth claimed, but never a number of units from an official source. Please link !

They never actually release a chart.
But they announced that both during MIX 2012 (last year) and During CES Also.
There is an article that Nokia makes a jump in Finland after Lumia was released.

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