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I fully expect two things to happen between now and the retail release:

1. Touchpad gestures, think edge swiping for app switching, etc.

2. A avalanche of touch enabled mouses like the Microsoft Touch Mouse. If you ever used it, you know that it could handle a lot of the gestures in W8 really well.

I of course ball so I got three displays, two 1080p's stacked vertically, Envy 17" 3D (SB i7, 16GB, 120 SSD + 1TB HDD) display on top and the bottom one being a 23" touch display plus a 24" 1920x1200 to the side titled in portrait used mostly for design purposes. A slim keyboard on a sliding tray with a MS touch mouse next to it, plus a Wacom pen/multi-touch tablet next to the touch screen. I'm ready for Windows 8. I have an overkill of input devices but I bet 1 of them would seal a great W8 desktop experience.
 
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I usually use that argument against Android. If they want to have even half the information a Windows Phone user gets, they have to fill their screen with widgets, which ends up becoming a wallpaper with random stuff on top.

On Metro, you have the information right there, and the different tiles are your "wallpaper".
Well on windows phone, the untampered "wallpaper" is the lockscreen picture
Arguably available on android as well, though not vanilla and probably not stock, I forget if sense brought over that feature from WinMo.

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I tought that we are talking about pc os not phones, so i dont understand why you bring android. My desktop looks like this and i dont need stupid blocks on my desktop to show me twitter and facebook updates. They could make some pop up window for notifications like on osx not to take my whole screen, plus u dont use pc for same stuff like phones, because pc is for doing serious stuff, i think that biggiest fail of win8 is that is dummbed down to look like phone os.

Here is a prime example of the ignorant hate poster I was talking about. What's dumb about live tiles? Why is a particularly exemplary system considered 'dumb' just because it was on a phone first? Also, read my last post, I think you'll find that rather enlightening.
Also, judging by your picture you wish you had a mac don't you? Go get one, there is plenty of room in the Apple community for people such as yourself.

Rather than attacking your obvious "the world revolves around me" approach to this, I'll address something that will benefit others reading this: you have missed the entire point of tiles. A popup notification demands your attention and distracts you from your current work. You might ignore it and get to it later, but nonetheless it still distracted you for a second; something that is very detrimental to a productive workflow. You might not be able to appreciate the significance of this yet, but trust me, it's important. If you don't check the notification right away, you might forget about it entirely... experiences vary per person obviously, but the fact of the matter is that most people will respond in some way to an active notification, completely forget about them, or be unable to focus on what they were previously working with because the unanswered notification is looming over the back of their mind.

Live tiles on the other hand are rather passive in function. You must consciously choose to look at them; the information is aggregated on one place, spread out in a wide, easily accessible format. The notifications in tiles aren't going anywhere, and you aren't notified the moment they arrive. Thus you may work in peace, uninterrupted. Time permitting, you can then check a whole number of notifications in one slot of time rather than at random points in time in your use of the computer. What I'm trying to get at here is that the human mind is bad at multitasking; it generally detracts from performance, and regular popup notifications divide your concentration. Tiles are an elegant answer to incoming data that doesn't necessarily demand your immediate attention (an instant message would perhaps warrant a regular notification for example, since people expect you to reply in a timely fashion). This is why I love windows phone; I get more done in less time, since I'm not constantly pulling out and putting away my phone for each and every individual notification. Moreover, this practice saves battery life.

This passive system isn't entirely new or unfamiliar; I'm sure users of IRC will appreciate the fact that you don't get notified for every message unless someone explicitly wants you to be notified. I generally prefer IRC because of this... I can segment work and periodically enter conversations, rather than the back and forth demand of regular messaging clients.
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Maybe it wouldn't be so butt ugly if they allowed you to have a wallpaper and semi-transparent tiles.

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Well on windows phone, the untampered "wallpaper" is the lockscreen picture
Arguably available on android as well, though not vanilla and probably not stock, I forget if sense brought over that feature from WinMo.



Here is a prime example of the ignorant hate poster I was talking about. What's dumb about live tiles? Why is a particularly exemplary system considered 'dumb' just because it was on a phone first? Also, read my last post, I think you'll find that rather enlightening.
Also, judging by your picture you wish you had a mac don't you? Go get one, there is plenty of room in the Apple community for people such as yourself.

Rather than attacking your obvious "the world revolves around me" approach to this, I'll address something that will benefit others reading this: you have missed the entire point of tiles. A popup notification demands your attention and distracts you from your current work. You might ignore it and get to it later, but nonetheless it still distracted you for a second; something that is very detrimental to a productive workflow. You might not be able to appreciate the significance of this yet, but trust me, it's important. If you don't check the notification right away, you might forget about it entirely... experiences vary per person obviously, but the fact of the matter is that most people will respond in some way to an active notification, completely forget about them, or be unable to focus on what they were previously working with because the unanswered notification is looming over the back of their mind.

Live tiles on the other hand are rather passive in function. You must consciously choose to look at them; the information is aggregated on one place, spread out in a wide, easily accessible format. The notifications in tiles aren't going anywhere, and you aren't notified the moment they arrive. Thus you may work in peace, uninterrupted. Time permitting, you can then check a whole number of notifications in one slot of time rather than at random points in time in your use of the computer. What I'm trying to get at here is that the human mind is bad at multitasking; it generally detracts from performance, and regular popup notifications divide your concentration. Tiles are an elegant answer to incoming data that doesn't necessarily demand your immediate attention (an instant message would perhaps warrant a regular notification for example, since people expect you to reply in a timely fashion). This is why I love windows phone; I get more done in less time, since I'm not constantly pulling out and putting away my phone for each and every individual notification. Moreover, this practice saves battery life.

This passive system isn't entirely new or unfamiliar; I'm sure users of IRC will appreciate the fact that you don't get notified for every message unless someone explicitly wants you to be notified. I generally prefer IRC because of this... I can segment work and periodically enter conversations, rather than the back and forth demand of regular messaging clients.
The funny thing is that his desktop is much uglier than Metro. Plus he'll probably be able to keep the same ugly desktop in Windows 8 if he wants. Metro is just a touch launcher plus a new ecosystem of apps.
 
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And how do i use touch launcher on my laptop and desktop? You find this nice and beautiful? Where do you see wall here, wall will be cluttered with block, only 30 % is wisible.

 
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And how do i use touch launcher on my laptop and desktop? You find this nice and beautiful? Where do you see wall here, wall will be cluttered with block, only 30 % is wisible.

1. The dockbar only fits a handful of shortcuts. This fits more even in the limited "first look" viewing area. Plus the dock STILL exists.

2. The old startmenu was a maze of non visible sub menus. This is more simple.

3. Desktop can be cluttered and doesn't provide anywhere near as much context as the metro start page.

4. Start keyboard key > type out application name. The fastest way to do things.
 
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I bet you that'll be the first third party customization metro receives; transparency over your desktop, or maybe set a custom picture and transparency over that. Don't forget Windows operating systems get a LOT of 3rd party customizations and tweaks.

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And how do i use touch launcher on my laptop and desktop? You find this nice and beautiful? Where do you see wall here, wall will be cluttered with block, only 30 % is wisible.
Have you tried the developer preview yet? I'm starting to think you just looked at a picture and are now talking your mouth off without A) having tried it and B) knowing anything about how it works.

You start out in the metro screen, and you can press the windows key to switch to the regular explorer desktop. This is where your wallpaper is, it is 100% visible... it is the same old desktop from every iteration of windows; that's not going away. I don't think you read my earlier post like I told you to: I explicitly stated that metro is an additional feature that does not replace any previous feature from 7. Since it doesn't replace anything and only *adds* to the operating system, you cannot logically say the system is "dumbed down" since no previous feature has been removed to make for the one you happen to dislike.
So on a laptop or desktop computer, you will spend 90% of your time in the explorer desktop interface, since that is what normal programs use, and what normal programs will continue to use. Now, you can press the windows key at any time to bring up the live tiles, look over them, poke around a few "apps", etc. On a tablet or one of those newfangled touch laptops they showed off on CES, you'll probably be spending more time in the metro interface with the apps instead of on the desktop part with programs because it's touch friendly and the laptop is meant to be portable.

Like Award Tour said, you can just start typing and it will switch to an app list view (which is just the start menu shortcuts, not live tiles), and select/launch whatever you type. This is identical to the behavior of the 7 start menu, so no they did not remove the start menu's search function. Also this is one of the things I was talking about when I said it was easier to visualize what you have installed; in this app list view (again this is where you see the shortcuts of programs installed that get sent to the start menu), the entries are fullscreen, and larger than in 7; you can both see more of them at a time and you can quickly get at the one you want with either a finger or a mouse. I personally hate 7's start menu... they made it so visually cluttered you were forced to use the search feature and it was a hassle to just view what was installed... easier to just go look at the 'add or remove programs'.
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And how do i use touch launcher on my laptop and desktop? You find this nice and beautiful? Where do you see wall here, wall will be cluttered with block, only 30 % is wisible.
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You fail.
What you were looking at, was the Start Menu of Windows 8, don't try to be smart when you haven't actually used it yet.
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No you fail, i know that i can use standard desktop, but he said that metro is touch launcher, so my question is how to use "touch launcher" on desktop and why is that important on desktop pc (i know i can use mouse)?

Im done, because you are a WP7 fan and you defend metro because you like it , on the other hand i dont. For you metro is something good for me it is totally opposit, and i will use classic desktop if they dont lock that option in final build.
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No you fail, i know that i can use standard desktop, but he said that metro is touch launcher, so my question is how to use "touch launcher" on desktop and why is that important on desktop pc (i know i can use mouse)?

Im done, because you are a WP7 fan and you defend metro because you like it , on the other hand i dont. For you metro is something good for me it is totally opposit, and i will use classic desktop if they dont lock that option in final build.
I have said that thing like multiple times.
It is your OP, i don't blame it. Everybody has different tastes. But don't think that the world circle around you.
I have my own OP about other OS, but i am not a hater , i don't go to other forums and post bad stuffs about it.

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