[KERNEL] G3Mod Final [THE END] #262

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hillbeast

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I have two requests for the kernel:

1. Phone-call recording
2. FM recording

Congrats on your work!

I'm not sure that no FM recording is a lack of kernel support, rather a lack of software support. There's nothing to stop a program that just records from the ALSA Mixer from recording it. The FM Radio just sends the audio in raw format to a line in port on the audio codec.
 

cyberdimitri

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I'm not sure that no FM recording is a lack of kernel support, rather a lack of software support. There's nothing to stop a program that just records from the ALSA Mixer from recording it. The FM Radio just sends the audio in raw format to a line in port on the audio codec.

Alsa mixer? Isn't that something you take for your stomach?
Anyway, I couldn't possibly doubt you, knowing nothing about any of this technical talk, but I would think there would be an app for it if it was possible.

What about call recording?
I'm pretty sure this is kernel related since no call recording app works properly in our phone.

By the way, great to see you got "Recognized Developer" title, you fully deserve it!
 

alb3rtt

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Alsa mixer? Isn't that something you take for your stomach?
Anyway, I couldn't possibly doubt you, knowing nothing about any of this technical talk, but I would think there would be an app for it if it was possible.

What about call recording?
I'm pretty sure this is kernel related since no call recording app works properly in our phone.

By the way, great to see you got "Recognized Developer" title, you fully deserve it!

Im pretty sure that call recording isnt legal in most countries and that if he includes it in his kernel, some legal trouble may come :/ i remember this from a few months back when someone else asked for this in kyorakernel
 

hillbeast

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Alsa mixer? Isn't that something you take for your stomach?
Anyway, I couldn't possibly doubt you, knowing nothing about any of this technical talk, but I would think there would be an app for it if it was possible.

What about call recording?
I'm pretty sure this is kernel related since no call recording app works properly in our phone.

By the way, great to see you got "Recognized Developer" title, you fully deserve it!

Call recording is a bit of a shadowy thing. In some countries it is illegal to record calls and because I don't know which (and because the laws are pretty vague about it in my country), I cannot make a kernel that would do it. Dharam perhaps can, but the kernel would then be illegal in some countries. It's really a tricky thing.

There could be two kernels made, one with recording and one without, but considering it's difficult to manage two kernels just to handle CM7 and on for Samsung ROMs, it's going to be a mission to handle them just for one feature.
 
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Silver_Johnes

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It's like you're afraid that you'd kill somebody with this kernel, whis supports a call recording. I'm voting for this feature, eagerly.
 

hillbeast

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It's like you're afraid that you'd kill somebody with this kernel, whis supports a call recording. I'm voting for this feature, eagerly.

I'm not afraid of killing someone with the kernel. If I kill them then they can't exactly come and complain on the threads :D

It's more I'm afraid of having my door kicked in by the NZ Police (which would be highly likely considering how rubbish their priorities are). These are the same people who sent 40+ armed policemen to arrest Kim Dotcom when all he did was allegedly do some copyright violations and various money related laws. Hardly a physical threat to the police, yet they still deemed it necessary to also lose the security tapes from the mansion, and use way more police than needed, and use unreasonable force.

That's all I'm worried about. My suggestion is to get handy with a soldering iron and make a cable to attach it to a small voice recorder and record it that way until someone braver than I adds this support.

Perhaps a kernel module could be used to enable it, which would mean not using two kernels to maintain, just an external module people can download in another thread.
 

cyberdimitri

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Respectfully hillbeast, you are so wrong in this one mate.
If call recording is legal in even one country then it should be perfectly OK to release a kernel with such a feature.
It's not the manufacturer of the knife that's a criminal, nor is the butcher that cuts your steaks with it. You get my point, right? If it's illegal in a country then responsible for not breaking the law is ONLY the user.
An internet browser can be used to promote child pornography or terrorism (which of course are illegal actions), but in itself is legitimate software.
I could go on with examples but I am sure it's not necessary.
Another point to make is that even if the kernel allows it, you must still use an app to actually record phone calls which would pass the responsibility to the app developer.
But I thing the strongest argument is that there are phones that have this kind of functionality inbuilt such as:
Nokia: 6300, 6230, 6030, N73, N70, N72
Sony Erricson: w910i, w810i, k810i
and I'm certain there others. If Nokia and SE get away with it then an xda developer should be pretty safe.
Finally you can find dozens of apps in the market that allow call recording that work fine in other android phones but not in ours due to kernel limitations.
I think all these should take your fears away and if you can't/won't make such a feature in your kernel then you should at least not stop other developers from doing so.

Let's hear dharam's opinion on this?
 

hillbeast

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Respectfully hillbeast, you are so wrong in this one mate.
If call recording is legal in even one country then it should be perfectly OK to release a kernel with such a feature.
It's not the manufacturer of the knife that's a criminal, nor is the butcher that cuts your steaks with it. You get my point, right? If it's illegal in a country then responsible for not breaking the law is ONLY the user.
An internet browser can be used to promote child pornography or terrorism (which of course are illegal actions), but in itself is legitimate software.
I could go on with examples but I am sure it's not necessary.
Another point to make is that even if the kernel allows it, you must still use an app to actually record phone calls which would pass the responsibility to the app developer.
But I thing the strongest argument is that there are phones that have this kind of functionality inbuilt such as:
Nokia: 6300, 6230, 6030, N73, N70, N72
Sony Erricson: w910i, w810i, k810i
and I'm certain there others. If Nokia and SE get away with it then an xda developer should be pretty safe.
Finally you can find dozens of apps in the market that allow call recording that work fine in other android phones but not in ours due to kernel limitations.
I think all these should take your fears away and if you can't/won't make such a feature in your kernel then you should at least not stop other developers from doing so.

Let's hear dharam's opinion on this?

I get what you're saying and I agree with you, however referencing back to the MegaUpload fiasco that is going on in my own country right now, Kim Dotcom did not put copyrighted movies and music on his servers, and his system was made with good intentions, however he is still the one held responsible.

As I said, the NZ police are morons and don't care about a hoody stealing someones Subaru, but they get extremely angry when a person riding a bike hasn't got their helmet on tight enough. If they let that fly, then I don't want to know what would happen about a kernel with (and as I said the laws are vague about this in my country) an illegal component.

But as you said, it's up to Dharam whether it will be included, but this is where my stance on this matter lies, and I suspect Dharams may be the same.
 

vleutmans

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two way recording support is "done" many times by xda-developers on xperia Ray :)
It works....not great...but it works.

Br.

Michel
 

mohsin2cool

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can u plz release oc versions also..
and also voodoo sound compatibility :D

one thing i would like to add..is tht data2sd works awesome on class 4 card, i was shocked to see tht it worked with out any lag....

hats off...
 
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Spitlebug

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Im pretty sure that call recording isnt legal in most countries and that if he includes it in his kernel, some legal trouble may come :/ i remember this from a few months back when someone else asked for this in kyorakernel

It's up to the wnd user as to what features they choose to use.

I have a car and can intentionally kill pedestrians, which is illegal - obviously. Same deal, although not as extreme of a case. You get the point.

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