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You know, there are lots of fixes for any problems this device had at one time, but many require rooting and installing custom roms/kernels/recoveries and certain non-stock apps. I realize that some people like staying stock as much as possible...I don't. I want to get root immediately and start customizing. That's just me. Some people don't like to eat meat...I do. Some people can't imagine not driving everywhere...I've never owned a car. We're all different. But sometimes you just have to understand that your desire to stay all stock comes at a price. Lag exists. That's why custom roms exist...to eliminate lag, among other brilliant things.
This is why iOS is miles ahead of android. Its so much more faster and CONSISTENT. I prey that one day the overall speed between various apps is improved. I read a few pages back about the person browsing these forums and the experience was slower. I can't agree more, but sadly its just the way android is. You notice it between different websites with longer pages or more images, its annoying. I agree that we are lucky to be able to tweak and install custom files this is the best thing about android... but having to do this because the apps are coded wrong is bull****. Could you imagine how **** it would be without that option.
I have my Xoom set to 1600mhz minimum which can help with some websites and the os snappyness but I'm still not that impressed with ICS.
 
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This is why iOS is miles ahead of android. Its so much more faster and CONSISTENT. I prey that one day the overall speed between various apps is improved. I read a few pages back about the person browsing these forums and the experience was slower. I can't agree more, but sadly its just the way android is. You notice it between different websites with longer pages or more images, its annoying. I agree that we are lucky to be able to tweak and install custom files this is the best thing about android... but having to do this because the apps are coded wrong is bull****. Could you imagine how **** it would be without that option.
I have my Xoom set to 1600mhz minimum which can help with some websites and the os snappyness but I'm still not that impressed with ICS.
I totally agree. I own a 3 years old iPhone 3GS (600Mhz !) which is a lot more fluid than my Xoom running ICS. It's a big disapointment for me, I would think that with ICS which is now GPU accelerated for the 2D apps my Xoom would be at least as fluid as my 3GS, but it's not (a few apps are now running perfectly fluid with ICS, but most of them have only been improved a bit).
All of this due to the fact that too many different hardwares exist for the Android platform, making things hard for Google to optimize the O.S., but also because Android apps developpers don't take care of optimization. Some apps (but only a few) are really perfectly fluid, some others are laggy as hell.

As a tablet I will not buy an iPad because of what we all already know here, but that's hard for me not being able to find a single android tablet which would be perfectly fluid, like the ipad is, whatever you do with it.
I also tried the Transformer Prime thinking that maybe the Tegra 3 power would avoid lags and would make Android perfectly fluid, but I really didn't notice any 2D performances improvements compared to the Xoom (I guess Tegra 3 is only better for 3D games and 1080p videos reading).
So I'll have to keep my Xoom for at least 2 years more and see if Google could finally make a perfectly fluid O.S. with the futur tablets hardwares on the market.
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Been running the EOS rom now since whenever and it's great. I can recommend it,
Thanks, I'll check it.

EDIT : I checked the EOS thread, but I couldn't find any clear indications of performances increase, compared to the stock ROM, due to kernel or drivers improvements. The only thing close to it is the overclocking possibility which I don't want to use because of the battery autonomy and the processor life.

The problem is that when we talk about fluidity, 2 different people may have a different opinion about the exact same configuration. Some people are very sensible to fluidity (like I am), some other would not notice the difference between a 50Mhz LCD TV and a 200Mhz TV for exemple ...
I would be glad to find a video, on youtube or whatever, of a stock ICS Xoom compared to a custom ROM Xoom by running the exact same apps on both at the same time, but I couldn't find any.
So my only solution is to try all the different ROMs, but as I don't want to loose too much time with it, and as I don't really believe that a custom ROM will be more fluid than the stock ROM, I will just leave my Xoom as it is and hope Google will improve things in futures ICS releases.

Thanks anyway for your help to everybody !
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waooow ! Finally I discovered something great with ICS : I just tried Opera Mini, and now when running ICS this browser is a lot more fluid than the stock one. With the stock browser when displaying some pages with big pictures in it, it sometimes became slow. Opera Mini absolutly fluid whatever you display with it, just as good as on an iPad !!!! Exactly what I was searching for !
The only problem is an annoying bug : when you switch to another app, if you go back to Opera all previously opened tabs are closed, just like if you were running Opera for the first time.

But I feel better now that I know we can have a very fluid web browsing experience on our Xoom running ICS.
Note : I also tried Opera Mobile and Dolphin but they are slower than the stock browser. Opera Mini is really the best regarding the fluidity.
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Do you have private browsing on Opera on? On some browsers that causes the tabs to be closed.
 
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To each their own I guess but a couple of things in response to your issues.

First, the amount of memory (RAM) shouldn't be a factor. In fact, the more available memory means the OS has to swap more memory which is slower than the program already loaded. More available memory is a sign of an inefficient OS. If you are actually using an app killer you are just burning cycles unnecessarily.

Second, iOS is so smooth mostly on the home screen because it is a static image that is scrolled. Those icons are just part of an image hence the incredibly smooth scrolling. I have used the iPad and I've experienced several apps with lag in them. It all depends on how good the developer is.

Don't force 2D acceleration. My understanding is that setting will likely hinder most apps.

For the browser try Chrome Beta. It's not perfect but it does seem snappier than the stock Honeycomb browser.

If you are having app issues it is likely that app and not ICS. I have been running Team EOS 4G ICS ROM and it is very smooth all around.

I have a second Xoom that is still stock and once that gets the ICS update from VZW I'll better be able to judge what stock ICS is like on the Xoom.

Hope you can get your issues sorted out because I really like ICS on the Xoom.

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I am running stock ICS on a US wifi xoom, and i couldnt be happier. I have no issue to report at all. I use Dolphin HD as my default browser, and also have ISC+ installed. Both handle the job well.

Movies run smoothly, no lag when switching apps or screen (stock launcher). To be honest, i was thinking about getting another device before ICS came along. Now i no longer have the need to (but i will be getting the Transformer Infinity, just because, and i wont get rid of my xoom).

I used to get random reboots as well, but that is no longer an issue. I use my xoom more than i use my PC.
 
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I have a second Xoom that is still stock and once that gets the ICS update from VZW I'll better be able to judge what stock ICS is like on the Xoom.
Thanks a lot, this would be very interesting.
Regarding the "force 2D acceleration", I didn't know it could be a problem for some apps, I thought the only potential problem would be the battery life.
I'll try to disable it, I just hope the smooth apps will then remain smooth ...

Now that I can have a perfectly fluid web browsing experience with Opera Mini, and because web browsing is 70% of my Xoom activity, I can say I love ICS !!!
I just hope some other web browsers will be updated to be as smooth as Opera Mini (I would love to see the stock browser as fluid as Opera Mini because Opera misses some of the stock browser functionalities).
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I tried to disable the 2d acceleration. I had one failing app (a C64 emulator) which now works without the acceleration. So yes, the 2d acceleration may let crash some apps, but I only have one failing app.
In the other hand, a lot of apps became laggy without the 2d acceleration. So I'll keep it enabled.
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