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16th April 2012, 02:48 AM |#21  
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I dont know precisely why all the operating systems are trying for convergence so hard. The current state of play is that Windows is defacto for computers, IOS is defacto for tablets and Android is becoming the largest player in the smartphone world, slowly but surely. Three differing systems. It's even affecting Linux, Unity and Gnome3 being obviously designed with tablet considerations... and being visually bloated. The former being the reason I'm transitioning to Debian. There seems to be a lot of redesign for designs sake.

MS have pinned much on Metro... trying to unify WinPhone7, XBox, Tablets and PC... and really are charging blindly down that path. I see a shipping drop for MS if Windows ships with forced Metro... and massive user backlash, of unseen proportions. Having tried to program on the thing... im quite certain its hateful. It might be a content consumption OS but its useless for real work. It could not only be a diaster on the PC but have a knock on effect to products with similar interfaces, putting people off those products.

People expect Windows to just be similar, and I dread to think what support will be like, and the massive amounts of user training that will be required on corporate levels. Getting users to follow any instructions at all is like herding cats. A long and torrid time for IT support awaits, that much is certain. MS don't have the luxury of being on the forefront of design, they need to be simple to transition between.

This has the feeling of Vista, but worse. The technology enthiusiasts aren't overly fussed from what I read, and plenty of them run IT departments. I can't see corporates being on side, and they are losing enthiusiasts... so really they have those poor people who buy a new PC like a few years ago, getting lumped with Vista... they couldn't even force gamers with the delights of DX10. IT budgets are tight, and training isn't cheap. Really poor timing.

All I want is a choice to disable Metro, because Windows 8 would be seriously great otherwise. Unless something drastic is done, its going to fail, and fail hard.
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20th April 2012, 04:08 AM |#23  
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Only 1 word : PERFORMANCE

The bootup speed is well.amazing 6s for boot WOW!
Performance well BF3 before < 20FPS now > 50FPS
UI great i got used to it in about 1min

Are you serious about this? damm then i am gonna run win8 full time on my laptop then
20th April 2012, 06:12 AM |#24  
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I dont know precisely why all the operating systems are trying for convergence so hard. The current state of play is that Windows is defacto for computers, IOS is defacto for tablets and Android is becoming the largest player in the smartphone world, slowly but surely. Three differing systems. It's even affecting Linux, Unity and Gnome3 being obviously designed with tablet considerations... and being visually bloated. The former being the reason I'm transitioning to Debian. There seems to be a lot of redesign for designs sake.

MS have pinned much on Metro... trying to unify WinPhone7, XBox, Tablets and PC... and really are charging blindly down that path. I see a shipping drop for MS if Windows ships with forced Metro... and massive user backlash, of unseen proportions. Having tried to program on the thing... im quite certain its hateful. It might be a content consumption OS but its useless for real work. It could not only be a diaster on the PC but have a knock on effect to products with similar interfaces, putting people off those products.

People expect Windows to just be similar, and I dread to think what support will be like, and the massive amounts of user training that will be required on corporate levels. Getting users to follow any instructions at all is like herding cats. A long and torrid time for IT support awaits, that much is certain. MS don't have the luxury of being on the forefront of design, they need to be simple to transition between.

This has the feeling of Vista, but worse. The technology enthiusiasts aren't overly fussed from what I read, and plenty of them run IT departments. I can't see corporates being on side, and they are losing enthiusiasts... so really they have those poor people who buy a new PC like a few years ago, getting lumped with Vista... they couldn't even force gamers with the delights of DX10. IT budgets are tight, and training isn't cheap. Really poor timing.

All I want is a choice to disable Metro, because Windows 8 would be seriously great otherwise. Unless something drastic is done, its going to fail, and fail hard.

I don't think you know what your talking about. What massive user backlash?
the anti MS crew are admittedly much louder in there FUD spreading abilities but they are not the majority, the poll I started on here kind of suggests that.

I also find it interesting when people compare it to vista. because the only issue with vista was that it was a big drain on system resources and was a bit slow, UAC was a bit overwhelming and it wasn't as backward compatible as it should have been.

Now, personally, not a single one of those issues are in any way shape or form anything like the experience I get in windows 8. When people say its vista 2, all they are doing is regurgitating comments heard over the net without any real thought behind it.

Its also funny you are talking about tha failier of Unity an all the other "graphical" displays but what you seem to fail to understand is that power users, are a minority, every day jo blogs are what MS is targeting, and good for them, because power users don't bring them money. Apple is a perfect example of handing out a crap UI (in my mind) to the masses and doing very well with it, why? not because its a tech OS, but because its simple.

Dont underestimate the power of consumers, having a similar OS that is integrated across several platforms will be lapped up by every day jo blogs
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I've talked to a few peeps from the 8 dev team. They said they pulled the Win 7 like UI stuff to force the app developers and others to Metro. The options for the Start Menu and making it Desktop friendy will be back in the final. Windows 8 will be everything you hoped for and then some.

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I've talked to a few peeps from the 8 dev team. They said they pulled the Win 7 like UI stuff to force the app developers and others to Metro. The options for the Start Menu and making it Desktop friendy will be back in the final. Windows 8 will be everything you hoped for and then some.

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ive heard this too but trying to push back the tidalwave of anti Win8 FUD is almost impossible, simply put they dont want to listen, metro needed testing, not desktop, metro needed development not desktop.

what i find really disapointing is so called professionals slagging WP and win8 off whilst proclaiming everything Linux based is the best. The OS is here to test people! Compertition is good folks, WP had a bad rap not because it wasnt any good but because of the mountain of bad press it got because of what it wasnt, rather than what it was.

I fear win 8 will be the same unless common sense comes back to those vocal few and people ignore the wide spread FUD placed out there
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I've talked to a few peeps from the 8 dev team. They said they pulled the Win 7 like UI stuff to force the app developers and others to Metro. The options for the Start Menu and making it Desktop friendy will be back in the final. Windows 8 will be everything you hoped for and then some.

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Start8 is ok and all, but no replacement for the real start menu.
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I have used window 8 quite a bit and to those who downplay it I respond: try it. It's far better than anything any tablet runs or has ever ran. With the way the laptop market is headed, ms thought ahead and made what will hopefully prove to be a brilliant business move: total convergence. I love Android, but it will never compete with windows.

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Been using it since the Consumer Preview (?Beta) was released.

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OK, so let's go item by item, shall we?

Let me give you an example of why it's a good thing, though. I have a friend who's a graphic designer, and has been for about 30 years. He's in his early 50's, and has used Macs for most of his career, but a Windows 7 PC since 2 years ago. A couple of weeks ago, his PC died, and I cobbled together a temporary replacement to hold him over until I can get his motherboard, which died, RMA'd. For the sake of curiosity, I asked if he'd want to try Windows 8 since this was a temporary PC anyway, and he said with a shrug, "why not?" So I configured the system (an old Pentium D 915, 2GB RAM, 320GB 7200RPM hard drive, vs his Core 2 Quad, 8GB RAM, 64GB SSD with 1TB HDD) and installed his programs, gave him a very brief (literally, 10 minutes) tour of Windows 8, and sent him home.

That just made my day. I do have to agree that newer versions of Windows seem to run really well on old machines, although I do prefer a real rig for my gaming

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