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And what about when jailbreak disappears? Seems to get anywhere near Android levels of functionality, you have to jailbreak the ipad and hope that Apple don't fix it soon..
Who says the general user base needs all that functionality?

Sometimes, a really good Chef's knife is all you need and a Victorinox Swiss Champ multi-function knife is just overkill.

That's the problem with most Android users: we assume that everyone wants or needs a 30 piece multitool, when all that's needed is a single, reliable blade.

My wife, my father, my brother, my two kids, my friends wife, my cousin don't need "Android levels of functionality ". I'm sure that others, like them, don't need (or want) anything other than an iOS device. This is where the debate ends. Not everyone wears the same shoes.

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that's about as simple as it gets
A lot of people just want something that works that they don't have to think about. Apple works well for them.

Then there's us inner and outer geeks that like to tweak our stuff like we do our women...Android fits the bill.
 
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Well, that's the thing though. Everyone with an iPad/iOS *is* forced to wear the same shoes. Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.

Since we have Apple users monitoring this thread, a non-techie friend of mine always gives me his iPad2 problems to solve, because I used to have an iPad. Here's the story. The original iPad, which I had, had no cameras. Apple started putting built-in cameras on the iPad2. Apple also sells a camera adapter kit for the iPad's proprietary port. Basically it's a dongle that turns the proprietary port into a USB connector for digital cameras and a dongle that turns the proprietary port into an SD card reader specifically for camera photos.

He bought these things, and the problem he is having now is that, when he takes snapshots with his iPad2 camera or when he migrates photos from his camera or SD cards to his iPad2, he cannot get those photos from his iPad2 to his computer. iTunes syncs photos from the desktop to the iPad2, but it won't move photos the other way around, from his iPad2 to the desktop. His iPad2 is not jailbroken, nor does he want it jailbroken. There are 10's of GB's of photos transferred from his camera and stuck on his iPad2. The adapters, like iTunes, are also one-way streets. The iPad Photos app opens and only allows importing from the adapters and not exporting to the adapters. So what's the simple solution?

I did figure out a way to get the files onto the desktop, but it's not simple and it's very labor intensive and no one would want to have to do it that way. I'm wondering if you guys know an easy way.
 
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Well, that's the thing though. Everyone with an iPad/iOS *is* forced to wear the same shoes. Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.

Since we have Apple users monitoring this thread, a non-techie friend of mine always gives me his iPad2 problems to solve, because I used to have an iPad. Here's the story. The original iPad, which I had, had no cameras. Apple started putting built-in cameras on the iPad2. Apple also sells a camera adapter kit for the iPad's proprietary port. Basically it's a dongle that turns the proprietary port into a USB connector for digital cameras and a dongle that turns the proprietary port into an SD card reader specifically for camera photos.

He bought these things, and the problem he is having now is that, when he takes snapshots with his iPad2 camera or when he migrates photos from his camera or SD cards to his iPad2, he cannot get those photos from his iPad2 to his computer. iTunes syncs photos from the desktop to the iPad2, but it won't move photos the other way around, from his iPad2 to the desktop. His iPad2 is not jailbroken, nor does he want it jailbroken. There are 10's of GB's of photos transferred from his camera and stuck on his iPad2. The adapters, like iTunes, are also one-way streets. The iPad Photos app opens and only allows importing from the adapters and not exporting to the adapters. So what's the simple solution?

I did figure out a way to get the files onto the desktop, but it's not simple and it's very labor intensive and no one would want to have to do it that way. I'm wondering if you guys know an easy way.
What a mess! out of curiosity (I'm no iPad owner, had an iPod for a while, and got so sick of iTunes that never considered getting an iOS device), how did you fix the issue? One idea would be to upload the photos to some photo sharing or cloud storage service (if iOS allows that. Does Dropbox for iPad allow camera uploads like it allows on Android?), and get them from there, but it's definitively not ideal.
 
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Well, that's the thing though. Everyone with an iPad/iOS *is* forced to wear the same shoes. Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.

Since we have Apple users monitoring this thread, a non-techie friend of mine always gives me his iPad2 problems to solve, because I used to have an iPad. Here's the story. The original iPad, which I had, had no cameras. Apple started putting built-in cameras on the iPad2. Apple also sells a camera adapter kit for the iPad's proprietary port. Basically it's a dongle that turns the proprietary port into a USB connector for digital cameras and a dongle that turns the proprietary port into an SD card reader specifically for camera photos.

He bought these things, and the problem he is having now is that, when he takes snapshots with his iPad2 camera or when he migrates photos from his camera or SD cards to his iPad2, he cannot get those photos from his iPad2 to his computer. iTunes syncs photos from the desktop to the iPad2, but it won't move photos the other way around, from his iPad2 to the desktop. His iPad2 is not jailbroken, nor does he want it jailbroken. There are 10's of GB's of photos transferred from his camera and stuck on his iPad2. The adapters, like iTunes, are also one-way streets. The iPad Photos app opens and only allows importing from the adapters and not exporting to the adapters. So what's the simple solution?

I did figure out a way to get the files onto the desktop, but it's not simple and it's very labor intensive and no one would want to have to do it that way. I'm wondering if you guys know an easy way.
I've found that with the apple app store, if you thought about how to do something with an app, most likely you'll find that someone probably already thought about it and created that app. You just need to look. I can't say that too often for android unfortunately. iOS usually has better counterparts within the same app as well.

To answer your question, the app that will most likely solve that your friend's problem is Photo Transfer App. They have it on android as well. It lets you transfer photos and videos wirelessly from ios to ios devices, android to android, as well as allowing you to download them from your osx or windows browser. Seems you could also share photos between android and iOS. Videos are the exception though. They just all have to be on the same network.
 
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He opted out of iCloud, but transferring 10's of GB's of photos over the Internet is not a good solution anyway.

The workaround I found was to use iTunes on the PC (well, that's the only choice anyway) and have it backup the iPad to PC. Then go into Windows Explorer, set it to show hidden files, go to the user profile directory, go to the Application Data subdirectory, go to the iTunes subdirectory, go to the backups subdirectory, and then find the directory for the iPad backup you just did. In this directory, you will find the content files from the iPad individually backed up to the PC but all the files will have strings of random letters and numbers for filenames and will be missing any file extensions. Copy these files into another directory, add JPEG extensions to the filenames, and then try opening them to see if they are really JPEGs. The ones that are JPEGs, you keep and rename their random character filenames to something more appropriate. The ones that aren't, you delete, or, if you know what kind of file they are supposed to be, you rename, give it the appropriate file extension instead and test opening/playback to verify.


stuckonduhmode: Not that this was meant to be a comparison, but Android does not have this problem, obviously, because, out of box, Android doesn't restrict user access to and transfer of their own content files. A simple USB connection to the PC would have been all it took for an Android device. There is no need to fling stones at anyone else over this. I feel this is an iTunes problem. iTunes was not designed to handle photos properly, and it feels like something that was added on at the last second. The camera adapter kit also seems half-baked, in my opinion. Not only does it have this problem of only transferring files one way, it handles video files wrong. Video files are imported into the same destination as the photos, so the video files do not show up in the Movies app. I guess the real culprit there is Apple's Photo app because that is the program that handles the camera adapter transfer. Not only do the videos end up showing in the Photos app instead of the Movies app and can't be moved, for some reason, they don't play despite being Apple Quicktime .mov videos. Thanks for the app suggestion. I will let him know about it, though I was hoping to find a solution that doesn't require spending even more money on this.
 
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In all seriousness, as many others have said, it really is a personal preference.
I used to love ios, however, it was new tech, and not without its problems when jailbroken, whether using winterboard, or sometimes just the jailbreaking process.
That being said, my first android tablet was an og galaxy tab, and, surprisingly, I fell in love with android os. Customizing, torrents that actually work, no need for an extra prog for pc transfers.
And, in most cases, external storage, which i know isnt os relevant, but it stands true across all ios, no external storage.
Honestly, I like both. No point bashing one os to another. They both have quirks, they both have their strengths.
It really, truly is an apples to oranges argument
 
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that's about as simple as it gets
A lot of people just want something that works that they don't have to think about. Apple works well for them.

Then there's us inner and outer geeks that like to tweak our stuff like we do our women...Android fits the bill.
There you go again, pretending Android is the OS for tweakers/geeks/hackers and "real" consumers are better off with iOS. Sorry, that's just apple bull**** right there.

iOS is MORE complicated than Android.

When I switch my Android tablet on, my homescreen has widgets that show the weather forcast for the next 3 days, the local news, and my current music playlist.

I have to open lots of apps on iOS do do this basic stuff... Perhaps some iOS owner can tell me how a big long list of static icons that open apps is "better" than a user's choice of homescreen widgets, folders and icons that Android users enjoy..

iOS being "easier" is just a myth. people can confusing a very simple OS with no flexability with "easy", which is tosh, as I could apply that and tell you my desktop calculator is "easier" than iOS, as it's only got some numbers and a couple of function keys.
 
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There you go again, pretending Android is the OS for tweakers/geeks/hackers and "real" consumers are better off with iOS. Sorry, that's just apple bull**** right there.

iOS is MORE complicated than Android.

When I switch my Android tablet on, my homescreen has widgets that show the weather forcast for the next 3 days, the local news, and my current music playlist.

I have to open lots of apps on iOS do do this basic stuff... Perhaps some iOS owner can tell me how a big long list of static icons that open apps is "better" than a user's choice of homescreen widgets, folders and icons that Android users enjoy..

iOS being "easier" is just a myth. people can confusing a very simple OS with no flexability with "easy", which is tosh, as I could apply that and tell you my desktop calculator is "easier" than iOS, as it's only got some numbers and a couple of function keys.
I have another nice example for that. To change the sound settings under iOS you've to go /settings/general/more (might be called different) /sounds

Under Android its /Settings/Sound

However I'm sure Android has similar disadvantages I just don't notice them because I'm used to them.

Android isn't really more complicated it has just far more options if you use them is up to you.

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Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.
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**Edit** to make this a useful post, to answer your question about photos from the iPad, if you jailbreak it, you can install a file explorer on the iPad, or use i-funbox to extract files from the iOS system. You MIGHT not need jailbreak for i-funbox, its very vague on the site, and I never tried it while locked.
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