Bhundven is doing just what I said with his new aosp rom even though there are no files to download yet. Then when bugs are cleared thread could be unlocked

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Originally Posted by anoymonos

@Hechoen I by no means putting any blame on any development, I agree it is the users that clog up threads. But if you really think about it we are all Hippocrates we tell people where to post stuff in appropriate section but they continue posting q in wrong sec and then someone usually a senior member will post In the same wrong sec resulting in double useless info about the rom. And then mod will post I have moved your thread to correct forum creating another post in Wrong sec I think you guys can understand what I mean.
Maybe to make it alot simpler when a dev releases a project they should lock it instantly resulting in members to post in correct sec.

What we're really looking at here is a way to make the forums cleaner. I am just as guilty as any one else as far as posting things where I might have been able to post elsewhere. I try not to but sometimes when answering a question I add to that post count of the thread. I didn't men to insinuate that you where blaming the devs at all. Only pointing out that the ROM's that are released are pretty stable for the most part. If we all start to adopt the idea of posting logs in dev threads and questions in Q&A that would be the first step in keeping things a little easier to follow. The thing is there is no simple answer. People will continue to do what they want and we will have to just put up with it. If we all try to do are part maybe slowly we can change things.

Here's a thread that kinda goes through the how to control the useless posts idea. Pages 1 and 2 are pretty entertaining. It's from December. lol

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...ghlight=people

I don't chime in much on things around here but I really want to tell you all that I greatly appreciate the fact that this is a discussion and not what everything else seems to turn into. I think it shows that we are, indeed, a community of people that care about our phones, the development that some really good people spend their time doing, helping each other, helping the new folks, and we care about the community in which we communicate.

It's good to see people caring about what goes on around here. That alone is what made me feel the need to write.

I can't say what the best way is going forward with keeping the dev area cleaner. Each dev is a different person and we're in an open community so I don't know that trying to "lock-down" how it's done will work. Wrapping a development life cycle approach is a good idea but I don't know how effective it can be in a non-corporate environment. I do, personally, like the idea of a small team of testers. I'd like to be one of them but I also realize that my work and personal life interferes with how much I can contribute. Ask FB, he waited a month or so for me to help develop an update to the GB Starter Pack and I never got it done. I love helping the community but I falter, too

I do believe the dev threads should be kept to clicking "Thanks" (PM the Dev if you want to write that heartfelt note/letter), log files, and bug reports. As others have pointed out, though, we can't stop people from doing whatever they want to do. We can encourage, we can point out (Hey, this doesn't belong here), but at the end of the day we can only control our own behaviors.

I want to reiterate my thank you to all of the community here. I'm glad to see we're coalescing & gelling to make this a better place. I'll help with that in any way I can.

Thanks again - Steve

Originally Posted by stephen_w

I do believe the dev threads should be kept to clicking "Thanks" (PM the Dev if you want to write that heartfelt note/letter), log files, and bug reports. As others have pointed out, though, we can't stop people from doing whatever they want to do. We can encourage, we can point out (Hey, this doesn't belong here), but at the end of the day we can only control our own behaviors.

Thanks again - Steve

Steven that is a very good point. We cant control others. But we can control what is posted. The report button works wonders. Instead of just posting telling people this doesnt belong here and leaving it at that, point them to the proper thread/subforum. I dont mean just tell them to post in q&a or themes link to that sub-forum. Then report both your post and the post your answering and ask the mod to move it to the proper thread/forum. Help the mods out so they arent spending more time fixing/moving and can enjoy the site as well.

I dont mean to blame the devs for everything that is wrong. I agree a portion of this is the non-dev community is responsible for. I want to quote something from the do you wanna be a dev page.

A Recognized Developer is a user on XDA, with a history of producing cutting edge work, and doing so in a mature and respectful manner, co-operating with others, and generally setting a good example with regard to adherence to open source licenses and other legal concerns.

IMO that puts a lot more responsibility on devs than they realize. I know people have bad days and all it takes is a simple comment to set you off. Ive been there many times. But as a RD and a possible RD you are the face of xda. If somebody comes here and sees RD under your name they think man xda thinks this guy/gal is the bees knees. Then they see this RD being rude or whatever it taints their idea of xda.

Regular members have so many faces. We can also make a opinion of xda based on how we treat the new members. We dont carry as much "weight" in this until a RD jumps in and partakes in the razzing of the noob. Once a RD does this people think man this guy is a jerk and so is this community.


In the end everybody here offers some sort of support, be it endless posts helping a new person, somebody offering ideas to help clean the forums and make them organized, or a RD or RD IT releasing roms. We are a community here. Every single one of us. It is up to us to fix what is broken. The mods can only do so much. By blaming one group or the other only keeps a line divided in the sand. The devs and members need to work together and make this place pleasant.

well im new here but my brother develops roms on xda so this seems like a good thread on paper but i just download it the miui rom and i love it even though it's not final since it has bugs i don't care I mean i love trying the new roms that are released whether they are alpha or beta or final. I think if we have to wait for a final rom(i searched thru dev section) we would of had to wait til Valhalla final then Valhalla Black final and to be honest to wait from march to like november for a rom would of been hell lol my opinion, that is all...

You guys are killing me with this thread.
This forum is working because we a have mod that isn't afraid to use the ban hammer.
Devs using testers? um to an extent they already do.
I personally don't think a non dev has any business telling a dev how to pursue their enthusiasm.
And lastly, you are preaching to the wind the people who need to see this won't because reading is fundamental and that's to much to ask or they do but they disregard because it's one post and they really need blah blah!

Originally Posted by eollie

Github bugreports is awesome.

I have to admit that this is actually one of the more useful things you guys can do, if you ARE going to be willing to help. Airfluip mentioned the camcorder bug in CM7 the other day, and Bryan said he had forgotten about it, so I opened a bug report for it. I hadn't used the issue (bug report) capability in github before, but I'm going to start using it more extensively because it's a good way to keep track of what's gotten fixed and what needs to be fixed, rather than having to wade through all the posts on XDA, so I recommend you do this to help us out with any of the projects we have since they're all linked to github from their respective threads.

Ok thanks for all your input guys even though nothing has changed I figured that if I cant develop anything atleast I can contribute in other ways by atleast making suggestions of ways to inprove our site. Trolls are trolls they come in and make us clog up everything must have a chip on their shoulder or a mod rubbed them the wrong way or maybe they are just a luttle kid wanting his voice hward in every post he can. Matbe we should blame the education system for just passing kids and not teaching them to read. Also the younger generation along with others are just too impatient. Alright im done ranting about nothing keep up the good work guys

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lol eh idk about roms having to be final to be released because sometimes test groups get busy with life or dev gets busy but won't write more about it cus don't wanna sound like i disagree just think it'll cause probs because everyone has a life outside of xda. Well I'll just leave you guys with this pic of an unfinalized rom i wish i could release :P

Um i did not mean a final before release just a rom with most common bugs found before first release. I still like my second post its much easier and noone gets offended. When a dev releases something put in link and directions and lock thread
link can still be accessed when post is locked and maybe unlock once final is released this would force people to post in proper section hence more cleaner threads. Just look at your SCOM thread over 55 pages. I think i will close this since noone can agree to try change.
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