Google + TNT = Rank incompetence

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boominski

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Aug 20, 2012
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This is a rant. If you don't like rants then move along.

I am trying to purchase a Nexus 10. And this has been, without doubt, the worst customer experience I have EVER had. First: I buy a N10. The screen is defective, so I RMA it. The replacement arrives (eventually). It is worst than the first. I RMA it as well. I am sent the RMA forms and am told that TNT will send me the return shipping labels. After two days, no labels arrive. I call TNT. They tell me they don't send shipping labels out for Google and that I need to speak to them. They also tell me they will pick up the device, but I need a Google account code. I call Google. I sit on hold for 20 mins+ and am cut off. I call again. 10 more minutes on hold. They tell me the code, adding that they have had endless problems with TNT. I call TNT. I give them the code. They put it all through, but say they need an address to send it to. I don't have one, obviously. I call Google back - again. I sit on hold - again. I speak to 3 people this time. I am told by each that they do not have an address to give me. Yep: Google - which, as it's defining mission statement aims to gather up the world's information - cannot tell me where I have to send my Google device to be RMA'd'. They say that the address is in the barcode of the RMA, and that this can be scanned by TNT. I wonder how TNT can scan the barcode when the RMA form is put inside the box as per their return instructions, but am told that TNT have the code linked to my address. But TNT say they know nothing about it. Eventually I say I am going to put both my faulty N10s in a box - seal it - cancel my orders - and let Google fight it out with my credit card company when the monies don't arrive. After all: I have two faulty devices, and no-one can tell me where or how to send them back. I eventually - after about 1.5 hours on the phone - get put through to a supervisor, who tells me he is going to escalate the case. I have heard all this before, but apparently have no choice since the escalations shipping team don't come on shift for another 5 hours. I tell the supervisor that this is it, and if I don't get a definitive solution to this within 24 hours then I'm sealing the box.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is where I am at. This is beyond parody. Literally unbelievable.
 

boominski

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Aug 20, 2012
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#2

I decide to call TNT again. They reaffirm their 'we have no idea what you're on about' line. But I get put through to someone who very helpfully says they can sort out a return. They take my details. set up consignment number etc,. and set collection for today. After 10 minutes or so, I ask her what address to put on the bag with the N10 in, and begins: 'ASUS...'. Who? I ask. 'ASUS', she says: 'the people who make them'. 'No', I say, 'they make the N7, this is a N10'. 'Oh' she says, 'the one's made by Samsung - well in that case you need to get Google to send you the labels'.

Has anyone else had any experience of this? How, exactly, are you supposed to return something with no return address?
 

Tiggerbits

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I'm also facing very similar issues.
Between both companies i am very disappointed.

I will update you once I have spoken to Google for the 4th time this evening
 

alias_neo

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Wow, this sounds like some sort of horrible comedy sketch.

All I can say is that I feel for you, and I hope you get it sorted soon.

Failing that, cancel the payment, keep the devices, and wait for nothing to happen, since, you being unable to find the people to return it to, either 1) they'll call you, or 2) nothing will come of it and you can keep 2 free N10's.

You could defend this in court if it came to it since thy're practically making it impossible for you to send them back.
 

boominski

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Aug 20, 2012
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#3

It turns out that the distributor for Google in the UK is a company called Computer 2000. I have just managed to speak to the lady who sends out the RMA shipping labels for the N10s. But she can only send one out when she gets my RMA code sent to her in the daily report from Google. I get back on the phone to Google. Eventually I'm told that my RMA code has been sent out (this was apparently done 50 minutes ago, so I guess the escalation from the supervisor has happened), and that I need to wait for the labels. Again. Or something.

And to think I sold my iPad for this.

I strongly suspect a call to Visa is on the cards. But let's see.
 

eager27

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Jul 20, 2012
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I had this exact problem with 2 nexus 7s (2 rmas from 1 original purchase). I waited 3 months for a return label in the end. Google wouldn't speak to Computer 2000 who wouldnt speak to TNT. And despite returning both units now, the RMA 'purchases' are still bouncing to the top of my Google play order list every few weeks, like a constant threat that I will be incorrectly charged for them at some point - Google can not explain why this is still happening.
 

sharp910sh

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Jan 14, 2009
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I had this exact problem with 2 nexus 7s (2 rmas from 1 original purchase). I waited 3 months for a return label in the end. Google wouldn't speak to Computer 2000 who wouldnt speak to TNT. And despite returning both units now, the RMA 'purchases' are still bouncing to the top of my Google play order list every few weeks, like a constant threat that I will be incorrectly charged for them at some point - Google can not explain why this is still happening.


I do not understand what to do. Google said to call TNT. What the hell has TNT got to do with a return? Who are computer 2000? Im in the UK, these american dudes are useless!!
 

fredphoesh

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Jan 15, 2009
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Hmm,
I told google i wanted to return my nexus10 (which arrived 2 days after buying) because the wifi was a bit iffy, before i sent it back, they sent me another tablet. I still have both, now with updates, both work fine, so am sending one back... pretty flawless and quick service for me (perhaps a karma issue ;)
 

boominski

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Aug 20, 2012
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I do not understand what to do. Google said to call TNT. What the hell has TNT got to do with a return? Who are computer 2000? Im in the UK, these american dudes are useless!!

It's got nothing to do with TNT. Google need to send you an RMA form (a PDF you print off). Then, THEY need to send the RMA code to Computer 2000, who are the distributor for Google in the UK. Computer 2000 then send the jiffy bag, which you then arrange to be picked up by TNT. Google's alleged 'specialists' don't know what they're talking about. It's quite shocking. The people I spoke to at TNT and Computer 2000 today told me a litany of horror stories about Google on this. And judging by the completely incorrect and contradictory things I've been told by Google, I'm very inclined to believe them.

Hmm,
I told google i wanted to return my nexus10 (which arrived 2 days after buying) because the wifi was a bit iffy, before i sent it back, they sent me another tablet. I still have both, now with updates, both work fine, so am sending one back... pretty flawless and quick service for me (perhaps a karma issue ;)

Let's see how your karma holds up when you get to the actual 'returning' part, shall we? :fingers-crossed:
 

Hereisphilly

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Dec 26, 2009
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Thanks for your info, i will be keeping a good eye on this thread as I'm waiting for a return pack for my N10.
It was meant to be in the same parcel as the replacement device, but all i got was the device. i raised it with Google and all they said was that they would get an RMA pack out straight away, but I'm yet to hear anything else

Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk HD
 

sharp910sh

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Jan 14, 2009
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It's got nothing to do with TNT. Google need to send you an RMA form (a PDF you print off). Then, THEY need to send the RMA code to Computer 2000, who are the distributor for Google in the UK. Computer 2000 then send the jiffy bag, which you then arrange to be picked up by TNT. Google's alleged 'specialists' don't know what they're talking about. It's quite shocking. The people I spoke to at TNT and Computer 2000 today told me a litany of horror stories about Google on this. And judging by the completely incorrect and contradictory things I've been told by Google, I'm very inclined to believe them.



Let's see how your karma holds up when you get to the actual 'returning' part, shall we? :fingers-crossed:

I just called TNT and google, google told me to call tnt, tnt said they had no idea what I was on about. Then i called google, they said call tnt and giev them my rma number. So I dont want to call tnt again, and it will sound like i am an idiot. SO what should I do? Should I call google again? What should I say? These american google guys have no idea what is going on. They need a UK call centre.
 

eager27

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Jul 20, 2012
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. They need a UK call centre.

But then they would have to pay UK taxes!

Seriously, you are right. My N7 experience led me to realise that most of the advice the US operators at Google give you only applies to US purchases, and agreements they have with whoever does the US deliveries. After many phonecalls, I ended up asking "does this apply to the UK" after every instruction I was given, and the answer was always "ERM, don't know, perhaps I should escalate your issue".

I had loads of emails demanding payment for immediate return of the devices over the 3 months. The shipping label/ bag did arrive eventually though.
 

mrmotivator

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Jun 23, 2011
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This sounds, word for word, nearly exactly the same as my experience. Although I have FOUR devices that I need to send back. 4th one arrived today, still faulty, still with nothing to return the others with. This is after going back between Google and TNT about 20+ times now over the past couple of weeks. Going to get a refund and wait a few months, really really disappointed.

Has anyone in the UK actually managed to successfully return a device yet?
 

sharp910sh

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Jan 14, 2009
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This sounds, word for word, nearly exactly the same as my experience. Although I have FOUR devices that I need to send back. 4th one arrived today, still faulty, still with nothing to return the others with. This is after going back between Google and TNT about 20+ times now over the past couple of weeks. Going to get a refund and wait a few months, really really disappointed.

Has anyone in the UK actually managed to successfully return a device yet?

So you have been charged 390 x 4? £1560? Google must be laughing!
 

boominski

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Aug 20, 2012
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Just been back to the phone. I thought I'd ask Google why they're giving out incorrect information about returns. The operator gave me the same line as before, and has reissued another request to TNT for shipping labels. They said they would deal with it personally, and that they would definitely email me back tomorrow, either to confirm that the labels have been sent, or to let me know that TNT have no idea about it. I am not expecting anything to happen at all, but will update with further news if and when it comes in.
 

ady702

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Aug 23, 2012
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Dev paprina

I am also waiting to send 2 back and was told it would be a couple of days before i get the TNT labels etc
 

Tiggerbits

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Feb 17, 2011
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After another 1hr wasted on the phone to Google and so called a manager I received an email saying that I have to return the device at my own cost.

Its f*****g retarded. I just want the device gone!
however the hold came off my account so I guess I could keep them both!

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
 

alias_neo

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Jun 9, 2006
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After another 1hr wasted on the phone to Google and so called a manager I received an email saying that I have to return the device at my own cost.

Its f*****g retarded. I just want the device gone!
however the hold came off my account so I guess I could keep them both!

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

No way should you have to return it at your cost, if they don't want to sort it out, just forget it, or tell them they can come collect it in court.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
 

deaffob

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Man just BS them. Tell them that you already sent them 1 week ago or something and say something like "I don't know why you don't have them because I sent them already. It's not my problem. No I will not call TNT, it's your job to call them."
 

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    So.

    I spoke to Google again (the rep from earlier told me the shipping specialists would be on shift about now, and I wanted to speak with one). I asked to speak with a shipping specialist. I got put through to 'technical support', but the rep insisted that they help. She looked at my case and was shocked and very apologetic. Apparently there are 3 levels, or tiers: the call centre reps, the shipping specialists and the top tier (probably ninjas). Only the latter tier have daily contact with TNT, UPS etc. All of my escalations had been passed to the second tier, and nothing had happened. She insisted on putting it to the third tier, which I was happy for her to do. I then said that I wanted to make a formal complaint and wanted to speak to a manager - not a supervisor, but the people above them. She went and got a senior supervisor. I went through my case calmly. He was very apologetic, and again, appeared shocked by what had happened. He then took direct ownership of my case, and says he will email me with daily updates, even if nothing has happened, and is now in personal charge of getting things sorted.

    Is this progress? Maybe. First update due tomorrow evening, so let's wait and see. Hope resumed.
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    Hi,

    So finally what was the process for you?

    I called them up and they sent me an RMA and said I will get a shipping label.
    Days passed and I didnt get a shipping label. Called Google and they said UK customers dont need a shipping label. Just call TNT with RMA and they will take it.
    TNT refused saying they need a shipping label.
    Called Google again and they say I will need one and TNT should provide one.

    This has been going round and round.

    Any help appreciated or if anyone has done this.

    I have posted it - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2147748

    Thanks

    I am now on my 4th RMA. This is how it works.

    1. Google email you an RMA note in PDF format. You print it off.
    2. TNT send you a package containing: (a) a shipping return bag; (b) an orange returns form, (c) a note explaining how the process works. B+C are in the bag.
    3. You call TNT. Give them the Google account code 50546457 (this is on the orange form), and the return address (postcode: LE17 4XT - also on the form). They also need the RMA number from the PDF form. They will give you a customer reference number.
    4. Reset device. Put in back in the box along with the RMA pdf.
    5. Put box back in the padded envelope it came in and seal up with tape.
    6. Wait for TNT to pick it up.
    7. Wait for Google to remove hold on device but not update this on Google Wallet, since they are clueless.
    8. Once funds are unfrozen, order a new replacement Nexus 10.
    9. Get replacement Nexus 10 only to discover that it's just as s-h-i-t as the last one.
    10. Start the RMA process again.

    Apparently you can only do this 4 times. Then they tell you to F.O.

    Hope this helps.
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    Further dispatches from the front line.

    Still no labels. I called Consumer Direct and explained the case. They said that I should try to speak to Google’s London offices, and that if the matter could not be resolved, to inform my credit card company. I was told that under the terms of the Sale of Goods Act (1979) companies are legally required to provide a return address for goods purchased. I called Google at their London offices, but the system does not allow you to speak to anyone unless you know their extension number. More fail. I called the Play Store again. I was told that the case had been escalated, but that the ‘shipping specialist’ team had yet to deal with it. I was also told to call back in several hours if I wanted to speak to a shipping specialist in person (that will be fun). I have also called my credit card company. No problem with opening a dispute. I have all the documentation prepared, with a full account of every phone call and email. Google have one final chance to sort it out, or my transactions on the N10 are getting frozen. I am genuinely blown away by how shambolic Google are. Really stunned.
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    Just got off the phone to Google support. I called to check my labels had actually been sent, as they were due to arrive by tommorow. Surprise surprise they haven't.

    According to 'Bruce' its all TNT's fault. They reckon they have always done their job properly and TNT are just not doing as they're instructed.
    Apparently we should all have been sent return labels in the boxes with the replacement devices, despite the email telling you to expect them in 4 days.

    This time shipping lead 'Carlo' is on the case. My labels will be sent in 2 days (thats sent, not I will get them). Meanwhile i'm waiting for a form from my CC company to sign to get transactions reversed and future ones blocked.

    I also tried calling UK head office but indeed you just get "enter an extension or look online for technical help".

    What a joke

    ---------- Post added at 05:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:59 PM ----------

    Ok, just called TNT on 0800 100 600 and spoke to Susan who was REALY helpful. She took an original consignment number (on jiffy bag of one of the three faulty replacements I need to return), found my details and is arranging for the TNT Google team to call me tommorow, to arrange a collection once they have contacted Google.

    At first she needed an account number for the returns but when I explained that all Google do is say they are "sending labels" and never give you an account number, she got on the case for me after a few mins on hold.

    My advice, don't waste your time calling the calamitous, excuse for customer service Google, just call TNT directly.
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    Good luck all. Keep us posted how the TNT approach goes.
    If anyone's interested, Google's account number with TNT is: 001604216