2014 FLAGSHIP KILLER - OnePlus One
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ShadowLea
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Perhaps you don't. I do 7 hours of commuting per train every day, 6 hours of which I have barely any mobile signal at all. And in case you aren't aware, the average 50 minute 720p episode is 1.5GB. That's about 8.4GB a day. More even if I want 1080p (5GB each).
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Well you're the exception, not the rule in this case. 7 hours of commuting wow! I thought me being in an hour and a half of traffic was bad lol. Maybe use OTG and keep all your videos on a separate flash drive? I use one for music and it's really small too.
http://www.meenova.com/
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Well you're the exception, not the rule in this case. 7 hours of commuting wow! I thought me being in an hour and a half of traffic was bad lol. Maybe use OTG and keep all your videos on a separate flash drive? I use one for music and it's really small too.
http://www.meenova.com/
I honestly wouldn't know what the size of.. is that a quarter? is.
I don't see why I should have to pay extra for something other, both more expensive and cheaper, bigger and smaller phones have by default.
And that brings me to "Why should I have to carry an additional device when I could just as well store it inside the phone in a tiny slot that costs nothing to add?" It's a hole, why should I pay more for less device?
Believe me, I'm not the exception. I've a fair bit of insight into mobile sales, and having an expandable memory is still one of the main selling points of a great many well-selling smartphones. (All of Samung's Galaxy Note & S line, for one). (Admittedly, there are also a great many people too stupid to even know the difference between an SDcard and a SIMcard... "Can I store my apps on my SIMcard?" /facepalm)
On an average day, I get about 25 people asking me "Can I put more GB in it for my music?" In a country with 17 million people, that's a lot for one shop. Why do you think the Nexus devices aren't selling as much as the S4 and S5? Can't be the price. Even if you take away the marketing part of the sales. People don't want a device they can't expand.
Even if not for videos and music, how are you going to store photo's taken with a 16MP camera on a 16GB phone? Particularly one that has only 4-9GB available for use? Do you simply not have apps?
Not everyone has the data package or the signal strength to sync photos to cloud all the time. Try doing that on the, over here very common, 250MB data package. That's what, 15 photo's? We don't have unlimited data packages, and 3G isn't exactly covering more than 60% of the country. Plus we have borders every 200-500km! Do you lot realize what roaming costs? 2 euro per MB (Why do you think the HTC One has such a crappy low-megapixel camera? (and the iPhone))
Not to mention, take the 4K filming... 4K recording with only 9GB internal storage free? Good luck with that!
I know how KitKat 'breaks' the SDcard. Except that it really doesn't. Even if you're not rooted, most big apps have long since been altered to use the SDcard again.
That is of course completely ignoring the fact that the OnePlus comes with Cyanogenmod, rendering the whole 'rootaccess' point entirely irrelevant.
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FuMMoD
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I honestly wouldn't know what the size of.. is that a quarter? is.
I don't see why I should have to pay extra for something other, both more expensive and cheaper, bigger and smaller phones have by default.
And that brings me to "Why should I have to carry an additional device when I could just as well store it inside the phone in a tiny slot that costs nothing to add?" It's a hole, why should I pay more for less device?
Believe me, I'm not the exception. I've a fair bit of insight into mobile sales, and having an expandable memory is still one of the main selling points of a great many well-selling smartphones. (All of Samung's Galaxy Note & S line, for one). (Admittedly, there are also a great many people too stupid to even know the difference between an SDcard and a SIMcard... "Can I store my apps on my SIMcard?" /facepalm)
On an average day, I get about 25 people asking me "Can I put more GB in it for my music?" In a country with 17 million people, that's a lot for one shop. Why do you think the Nexus devices aren't selling as much as the S4 and S5? Can't be the price. Even if you take away the marketing part of the sales. People don't want a device they can't expand.
Even if not for videos and music, how are you going to store photo's taken with a 16MP camera on a 16GB phone? Particularly one that has only 4-9GB available for use? Do you simply not have apps?
Not everyone has the data package or the signal strength to sync photos to cloud all the time. Try doing that on the, over here very common, 250MB data package. That's what, 15 photo's? We don't have unlimited data packages, and 3G isn't exactly covering more than 60% of the country. Plus we have borders every 200-500km! Do you lot realize what roaming costs? 2 euro per MB (Why do you think the HTC One has such a crappy low-megapixel camera? (and the iPhone))
Not to mention, take the 4K filming... 4K recording with only 9GB internal storage free? Good luck with that!
I know how KitKat 'breaks' the SDcard. Except that it really doesn't. Even if you're not rooted, most big apps have long since been altered to use the SDcard again.
That is of course completely ignoring the fact that the OnePlus comes with Cyanogenmod, rendering the whole 'rootaccess' point entirely irrelevant.
Why not get the 64gb version when it gets released? Please tell me a similar phone with similar specs that has an SD card slot. From what I know the phones you're trying to compare it with cost hundreds of dollars on top of what the 64gb OnePlus one cost. Corners had to be cut to make the phone as cheap as it is. SD card slot was one of them but 64gb is a great amount of storage. Why would you get the 16gb model if space is your concern? I too enjoy SD card slots but I learned to deal with it. My Nexus 5 is the only phone similar to the Oneplus in terms of similar specs and price and it has half the storage capacity and no SD card slot. There are tons of options available. Either get the 64gb model and work around it or pay a few hundred dollars/euros for a device with an SD card slot and lower specs. The average consumer won't need more than 64gb of storage anyways. If SD cards were so important than the iPhone wouldn't have ever been so huge on the phone market. A person recording 4k video on a phone will know that they need extra storage and probably pop into a meenova or similar adapter. The average consumer won't really mess with 4k because when they notice how big the recording is they won't use it again. We're not average consumers here at xda though so saying people in your shop want more storage isn't really a comparison. Do most of them have 16gb Samsung phones and iPhones? If you popped in a 64gb card into those Samsung devices they wouldn't complain and all and be satisfied until they swap out their device. A person concerned with storage space with not get a 16gb model phone.
How much storage is on your microsd card? Did you buy the new 128gb one? That thing is really expensive but it'll suit your needs though.
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I never said there were similar phones for the same price.
I just said it couldn't be called a killer if it lacked features that many people still find important on their flagships. As much as people may claim "But the HTC One and the Nexus didn't have it and were popular", HTC is having serious financial issues because of painfully low sales, and the Nexus was barely sold in Europe at all. (750 million people is not exactly a small market).
I have a device with these specs. Yes, it cost more. But it actually has more, as well. (MicroSD, expandable battery, Spen.) (Two, infact, but I didn't pay for my S5.)
My Note 3 is 32GB. I have two additional 64GB MicroSD cards (one inserted, the other in my wallet). The phone is filled with games and apps. The two cards are completely filled with music, videos and photo's (which I shoot to the SD, as I shoot in RAW).
Like you said, your commute is a lot shorter
There has never been a 64GB version of a smartphone in this part of the world. It's always been the lowest storage capacity that is sold. If I import a device from abroad (which I can't, as the US doesn't ship outside their world), I pay 250% additional import fees.
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I never said there were similar phones for the same price.
I just said it couldn't be called a killer if it lacked features that many people still find important on their flagships. As much as people may claim "But the HTC One and the Nexus didn't have it and were popular", HTC is having serious financial issues because of painfully low sales, and the Nexus was barely sold in Europe at all. (750 million people is not exactly a small market).
I have a device with these specs. Yes, it cost more. But it actually has more, as well. (MicroSD, expandable battery, Spen.) (Two, infact, but I didn't pay for my S5.)
My Note 3 is 32GB. I have two additional 64GB MicroSD cards (one inserted, the other in my wallet). The phone is filled with games and apps. The two cards are completely filled with music, videos and photo's (which I shoot to the SD, as I shoot in RAW).
Like you said, your commute is a lot shorter
There has never been a 64GB version of a smartphone in this part of the world. It's always been the lowest storage capacity that is sold. If I import a device from abroad (which I can't, as the US doesn't ship outside their world), I pay 250% additional import fees.
Geez those import fees are crazy! The S5 has like 8gb of usable space so I can only imagine someone trying to use it without an SD card lol. 64gb is like a sweet spot for devices without expandable storage though. Like I said you are the exception because you actually really use all that space and even more. The SD card slot isn't that big of an issue when a phone comes with 64gb though. The Oneplus One if you're planning on getting it, will be available to you in 64gb. They will be shipped from within the EU to avoid extra taxes and fees. 400euro for a phone with all these specs is pretty awesome! The 128gb Microsd card is really expensive though. You could get about 3 64gb Microsd cards for the price of one. The "many" people wanting an SD card slot are actually a minority in the smartphone market. We're just more vocal since we're on tech sites and such. If you had all the users on XDA state they wanted SD card slots we would still be somewhat a minority lol.
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That they are. I once ordered a T-Shirt from Jinx (US company). The T-shirt was €20, I had to pay €80 import costs.
First and last time I ever did that.... Plus they don't ship Lithium-Ion batteries inside devices anymore. Which is a little inconvenient without a removable battery.I am actually considering getting it. I do believe I said that in my first post...
The people here are a minority, yes. But I do actually have insight into a fair bit of market information, and particularly Samsung is very, very aware of the popularity of MicroSD slots. It's why they're still available on all their devices, even with the possibility of reduced costs by removing it.
Were you aware they gave out an 8GB MicroSD free to everyone who bought an S5 on the release? I was there (on behalf of T-Mobile and Samsung.) The queue of people coming in to claim their MicroSD was ridiculously long. And they all inserted them straight away.
People here on XDA often seem to forget 99% of the market is not very good at efficient space management. (I'm putting that nicely.) They don't want to have to hook their device up to a pc every other day to move or backup all the snapshots they took to share with friends because their memory is full. They dont'lower the camera setting to free up space. They don't delete an app straight away if they don't use it. And they don't clean out their device. Ever.
Actually a bit more than 3. Saturn Germany ran a discount last weekend. One 64GB Sandisk MicroSDXC Ultra + Adapter for €35.00 (taxes included.) Needless to say, I bought 6.
(They had a stack of 600 on first order. It ran dry within the first hour.)Well you're the exception, not the rule in this case. 7 hours of commuting wow! I thought me being in an hour and a half of traffic was bad lol. Maybe use OTG and keep all your videos on a separate flash drive? I use one for music and it's really small too.
http://www.meenova.com/
Wow that's awesome - never seen that before...
Kinda mitigates all this whining about no Micro SD doesn't it.
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Not if you're using a decent case it doesn't. Or are you suggesting I cut off pieces of my 60 euro Otterbox to make room for this? Because it doesn't fit.
Not suggesting anything.
It's obvious that you need a phone with a Micro SD card.
If you want a suggestion then I'd suggest you don't buy this one.
Ignoring the fact that if your apps (not including games) are totalling almost 4 gigs (also ignoring the fact that TouchWiz takes up a HUGE amount of space to begin with), it's clear that you need to look and see whether or not you really use every single app you have installed.
I highly doubt there are any apps that clock in at 1GB in size. Games, maybe, but not regular apps. And even then, large games do not install all their apps directly to the data partition. They grab a starter/main APK from the Play Store, and then they continue to download the rest to /data/media (as they should be doing if the developers have any clue what they're doing).
It appears I have read your post incorrectly, please excuse this.
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Oh man, so much ignorance. I'm sorry, I'm going to have to address this post and it is going to be a long reply.
Then clearly your use case does not match this phone and you should focus on phones that do meet your use case instead of whining to the rest of us about how we're all wrong for not using our phones like you do.
No, you are still an exception. There are a lot of you who are exceptions only because there are a lot of Galaxy devices in the world. The SD card and removable battery is only a selling point to techies and people like you who frequent XDA. I have yet to ever meet anyone who owns and of the Galaxy phones who carries around spare batteries or jammed in a giant SD card. I see the phones every where, but not one single example of anyone changing the battery.
The iPhone sells HUGE numbers all around the world as well, and has never had a removable battery or SD card, therefore your anecdote and your claims about why Samsung sales are so high are not with merit. Because if they were, I could turn around and infer that people buy iPhones because they DON'T have removable storage or batteries, but that wouldn't make an ounce of sense, would it? No, it wouldn't. You like the idea of SD storage and a removable battery, you see other comments on tech sites who also like them, therefore you have come to the conclusion that they are a "standard".
...do you even know how many pictures you can fit on 4-9GB? 8GB of storage at a 16MP resolution with full 100% quality JPEG compression is enough to store ~1,430 pictures (more or less depending on the content in the image). Are you telling me that you'll take more pictures than that between the times where you remove images from your device or you let them cloud upload and then clean them up? It is the norm to use cloud upload and it is the norm to take pictures only for temporary use such as social network sites and then just remove them (most people stop caring about their images unless they are of kids, private events, special occasions, or otherwise, because if they're worth sharing they're already either printed/framed or they're on a social network).
Normal Android users do not use hundreds of apps at a time. Forget games with their multi-gigabyte additional files; the average Android app (non-game) APK is roughly 7-12MB. If you simultaneously had 100 applications installed (which in itself is utterly bonkers and at the point where you can't remember what apps you have installed), that's 1.2GB of apps, call it 1.5GB of apps after they generate their various data files on storage. Still leaves plenty of space for music, podcasts, and video content.
...I have unlimited data, but I only let my images upload over Wifi because I want my bandwidth for my mobile use. Who uses their mobile data for camera upload!? That is a ridiculous idea.
The fact that you said the HTC One has a "such a crappy low-megapixel camera" and that you think the reason it has a "crappy low megapixel camera" is because of your country's terrible 3G coverage clearly tells all of us that you quite literally have no clue what you are talking about. . HTC did not build a phone that caters to your country's mobile infrastructure, and the idea that you think that it is shows either a level of fanaticism or just plain foolishness.
Again, you have no idea how video formats, containers, codecs, or compression works either. Using the current most popular 4K video compression, a minute of 4K video is roughly 350MB in side. It is HIGHLY doubtful that anyone would be recording a very long scene using a smartphone camera, much less doing it in 4K. Mobile video capture has always been for very short clips, because people taking the video don't have the patience to record for longer than a minute or two minutes, and people watching don't have the patience to sit through more than one or two minutes of amateur home video anyway. Would you honestly watch more than 3 minutes of someone's smartphone-recorded video? I mean, really?
But you know, reality...and stuff.
Something you are actually correct about! You're right. KitKat did not "break" the SD card. The Android Open Source Project stopped any type of official support for exandable FAT32/exFAT based storage as of 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Every single implementation since then for external storage has been third-party. There are numerous reasons for this, and it's not all just about everyone's conspiracy that they want you to use their cloud services. Having a filesystem which uses FAT requires licensing from Microsoft, and is a security concern or a myriad of reasons. I suggest you read more into why KitKat specifically started to prevent apps from modifying data on a FAT-formatted SD card.
And none of them (not even Google Play Music) use any sort of official implementation from Google to do so. It's all hacked together, and it always will be.
Oh look, more ignorance, although in this case, it's forgivable. You can almost be guaranteed that CyangoenMod on the One will NOT include root access out of the box, because then their build of Android would not pass Google's Compatibility Test Suite (CTS) which it requires any Google-Apps partner to run. If you want root, you will have to go through a process of getting it (official process, yes, but again, not out of the box).
Look, some things you say may be valid for you, but you're extrapolating far too much and in some cases you're really not thinking your ideas through. You lack a lot of empirical evidence to support your empirical claims and easily Google-able facts concerning things like video compression and Android security issues are not outside of your grasp but you don't include them either.
Simply put, you believe you are right about your opinions simply because you want them to be right and you find yourself surrounded by other (particularly Galaxy users) who always want to be right. But Google is not stupid, they know what they are doing. Before getting outraged, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and research before coming to a conclusion.
I honestly wouldn't know what the size of.. is that a quarter? is.
I don't see why I should have to pay extra for something other, both more expensive and cheaper, bigger and smaller phones have by default.
And that brings me to "Why should I have to carry an additional device when I could just as well store it inside the phone in a tiny slot that costs nothing to add?" It's a hole, why should I pay more for less device?
Then clearly your use case does not match this phone and you should focus on phones that do meet your use case instead of whining to the rest of us about how we're all wrong for not using our phones like you do.
No, you are still an exception. There are a lot of you who are exceptions only because there are a lot of Galaxy devices in the world. The SD card and removable battery is only a selling point to techies and people like you who frequent XDA. I have yet to ever meet anyone who owns and of the Galaxy phones who carries around spare batteries or jammed in a giant SD card. I see the phones every where, but not one single example of anyone changing the battery.
The iPhone sells HUGE numbers all around the world as well, and has never had a removable battery or SD card, therefore your anecdote and your claims about why Samsung sales are so high are not with merit. Because if they were, I could turn around and infer that people buy iPhones because they DON'T have removable storage or batteries, but that wouldn't make an ounce of sense, would it? No, it wouldn't. You like the idea of SD storage and a removable battery, you see other comments on tech sites who also like them, therefore you have come to the conclusion that they are a "standard".
...do you even know how many pictures you can fit on 4-9GB? 8GB of storage at a 16MP resolution with full 100% quality JPEG compression is enough to store ~1,430 pictures (more or less depending on the content in the image). Are you telling me that you'll take more pictures than that between the times where you remove images from your device or you let them cloud upload and then clean them up? It is the norm to use cloud upload and it is the norm to take pictures only for temporary use such as social network sites and then just remove them (most people stop caring about their images unless they are of kids, private events, special occasions, or otherwise, because if they're worth sharing they're already either printed/framed or they're on a social network).
Normal Android users do not use hundreds of apps at a time. Forget games with their multi-gigabyte additional files; the average Android app (non-game) APK is roughly 7-12MB. If you simultaneously had 100 applications installed (which in itself is utterly bonkers and at the point where you can't remember what apps you have installed), that's 1.2GB of apps, call it 1.5GB of apps after they generate their various data files on storage. Still leaves plenty of space for music, podcasts, and video content.
...I have unlimited data, but I only let my images upload over Wifi because I want my bandwidth for my mobile use. Who uses their mobile data for camera upload!? That is a ridiculous idea.
The fact that you said the HTC One has a "such a crappy low-megapixel camera" and that you think the reason it has a "crappy low megapixel camera" is because of your country's terrible 3G coverage clearly tells all of us that you quite literally have no clue what you are talking about. . HTC did not build a phone that caters to your country's mobile infrastructure, and the idea that you think that it is shows either a level of fanaticism or just plain foolishness.
Again, you have no idea how video formats, containers, codecs, or compression works either. Using the current most popular 4K video compression, a minute of 4K video is roughly 350MB in side. It is HIGHLY doubtful that anyone would be recording a very long scene using a smartphone camera, much less doing it in 4K. Mobile video capture has always been for very short clips, because people taking the video don't have the patience to record for longer than a minute or two minutes, and people watching don't have the patience to sit through more than one or two minutes of amateur home video anyway. Would you honestly watch more than 3 minutes of someone's smartphone-recorded video? I mean, really?
But you know, reality...and stuff.
Something you are actually correct about! You're right. KitKat did not "break" the SD card. The Android Open Source Project stopped any type of official support for exandable FAT32/exFAT based storage as of 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Every single implementation since then for external storage has been third-party. There are numerous reasons for this, and it's not all just about everyone's conspiracy that they want you to use their cloud services. Having a filesystem which uses FAT requires licensing from Microsoft, and is a security concern or a myriad of reasons. I suggest you read more into why KitKat specifically started to prevent apps from modifying data on a FAT-formatted SD card. And none of them (not even Google Play Music) use any sort of official implementation from Google to do so. It's all hacked together, and it always will be.
Oh look, more ignorance, although in this case, it's forgivable. You can almost be guaranteed that CyangoenMod on the One will NOT include root access out of the box, because then their build of Android would not pass Google's Compatibility Test Suite (CTS) which it requires any Google-Apps partner to run. If you want root, you will have to go through a process of getting it (official process, yes, but again, not out of the box).
Look, some things you say may be valid for you, but you're extrapolating far too much and in some cases you're really not thinking your ideas through. You lack a lot of empirical evidence to support your empirical claims and easily Google-able facts concerning things like video compression and Android security issues are not outside of your grasp but you don't include them either.
Simply put, you believe you are right about your opinions simply because you want them to be right and you find yourself surrounded by other (particularly Galaxy users) who always want to be right. But Google is not stupid, they know what they are doing. Before getting outraged, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and research before coming to a conclusion.
Um, /data/media is on the same partition...
All that guy is asking for is unified storage ( /data/media ) which has been the standard since ICS for new devices. (Unfortunately, Oppo has had a tendency not to follow this standard because Chinese users just can't let go of UMS apparently.)
On /data/media devices there is one single /data partition that is about 85% of the entire storage.
/data/media gets mounted as fuse and actually the available space is shared between apps and sdcard. So yes it is a hybrid in the sense it's shard, but it's not as it's only one partition.
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Yup. On devices with unified storage, you'll see that /sdcard (emulated) and /data are the same size and have the same free space - since they're really the same partition. So yeah, it does "magically" balance the two partitions because it's really just one.
Specifically, /data is the only partition. /data/media is remapped to /sdcard using a special FUSE daemon
Clearly, my understanding of the data partition is highly outdated.
I got rid of the offending posts.
I honestly wouldn't know what the size of.. is that a quarter? is.
I don't see why I should have to pay extra for something other, both more expensive and cheaper, bigger and smaller phones have by default.
And that brings me to "Why should I have to carry an additional device when I could just as well store it inside the phone in a tiny slot that costs nothing to add?" It's a hole, why should I pay more for less device?
Believe me, I'm not the exception. I've a fair bit of insight into mobile sales, and having an expandable memory is still one of the main selling points of a great many well-selling smartphones. (All of Samung's Galaxy Note & S line, for one). (Admittedly, there are also a great many people too stupid to even know the difference between an SDcard and a SIMcard... "Can I store my apps on my SIMcard?" /facepalm)
On an average day, I get about 25 people asking me "Can I put more GB in it for my music?" In a country with 17 million people, that's a lot for one shop. Why do you think the Nexus devices aren't selling as much as the S4 and S5? Can't be the price. Even if you take away the marketing part of the sales. People don't want a device they can't expand.
Even if not for videos and music, how are you going to store photo's taken with a 16MP camera on a 16GB phone? Particularly one that has only 4-9GB available for use? Do you simply not have apps?
Not everyone has the data package or the signal strength to sync photos to cloud all the time. Try doing that on the, over here very common, 250MB data package. That's what, 15 photo's? We don't have unlimited data packages, and 3G isn't exactly covering more than 60% of the country. Plus we have borders every 200-500km! Do you lot realize what roaming costs? 2 euro per MB (Why do you think the HTC One has such a crappy low-megapixel camera? (and the iPhone))
Not to mention, take the 4K filming... 4K recording with only 9GB internal storage free? Good luck with that!
I know how KitKat 'breaks' the SDcard. Except that it really doesn't. Even if you're not rooted, most big apps have long since been altered to use the SDcard again.
That is of course completely ignoring the fact that the OnePlus comes with Cyanogenmod, rendering the whole 'rootaccess' point entirely irrelevant.
Wow - if I just had more time, there would be so much stuff to respond, but some guys already did anyway. Just 2 short comments:
1. IF I want to buy a station wagon because I need the storage space, I would not go to the local Porsche dealer and complain about the fact, that a Porsche does not have enough space. I go to a dealer who offers a car for MY NEEDS and buy it there.
2. Nexus vs Samsung success - compare distribution (POS) and marketing funds and you have the main answer. It is no coincidence that the 2 companies with the largest distribution and marketing dollars spend enjoy the biggest success (Apple, Samsung) and this with a 100% contradictory SD card concept!
3. Sure there are good reasons for many users still using an SD Card and I´m fine with that, BUT don`t forget there is also the other side of the medal. Since you aren`t a developer you surely don`t spend a lot of time on developer.android.com, but here are just some reasons, why using a SD can be troublesome both for devs and users after unmounting and mounting an SD (and there are even more...)
Services
Your running Service will be killed and will not be restarted when external storage is remounted. You can, however, register for the ACTION_EXTERNAL_APPLICATIONS_AVAILABLE broadcast Intent, which will notify your application when applications installed on external storage have become available to the system again. At which time, you can restart your Service.
Alarm Services
Your alarms registered with AlarmManager will be cancelled. You must manually re-register any alarms when external storage is remounted.
Input Method Engines
Your IME will be replaced by the default IME. When external storage is remounted, the user can open system settings to enable your IME again.
Live Wallpapers
Your running Live Wallpaper will be replaced by the default Live Wallpaper. When external storage is remounted, the user can select your Live Wallpaper again.
App Widgets
Your App Widget will be removed from the home screen. When external storage is remounted, your App Widget will not be available for the user to select until the system resets the home application (usually not until a system reboot).
Account Managers
Your accounts created with AccountManager will disappear until external storage is remounted.
Sync Adapters
Your AbstractThreadedSyncAdapter and all its sync functionality will not work until external storage is remounted.
Device Administrators
Your DeviceAdminReceiver and all its admin capabilities will be disabled, which can have unforeseeable consequences for the device functionality, which may persist after external storage is remounted.
Broadcast Receivers listening for "boot completed"
The system delivers the ACTION_BOOT_COMPLETED broadcast before the external storage is mounted to the device. If your application is
installed on the external storage, it can never receive this broadcast.
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3Oh man, so much ignorance. I'm sorry, I'm going to have to address this post and it is going to be a long reply.
I honestly wouldn't know what the size of.. is that a quarter? is.
I don't see why I should have to pay extra for something other, both more expensive and cheaper, bigger and smaller phones have by default.
And that brings me to "Why should I have to carry an additional device when I could just as well store it inside the phone in a tiny slot that costs nothing to add?" It's a hole, why should I pay more for less device?
Then clearly your use case does not match this phone and you should focus on phones that do meet your use case instead of whining to the rest of us about how we're all wrong for not using our phones like you do.
No, you are still an exception. There are a lot of you who are exceptions only because there are a lot of Galaxy devices in the world. The SD card and removable battery is only a selling point to techies and people like you who frequent XDA. I have yet to ever meet anyone who owns and of the Galaxy phones who carries around spare batteries or jammed in a giant SD card. I see the phones every where, but not one single example of anyone changing the battery.
The iPhone sells HUGE numbers all around the world as well, and has never had a removable battery or SD card, therefore your anecdote and your claims about why Samsung sales are so high are not with merit. Because if they were, I could turn around and infer that people buy iPhones because they DON'T have removable storage or batteries, but that wouldn't make an ounce of sense, would it? No, it wouldn't. You like the idea of SD storage and a removable battery, you see other comments on tech sites who also like them, therefore you have come to the conclusion that they are a "standard".
...do you even know how many pictures you can fit on 4-9GB? 8GB of storage at a 16MP resolution with full 100% quality JPEG compression is enough to store ~1,430 pictures (more or less depending on the content in the image). Are you telling me that you'll take more pictures than that between the times where you remove images from your device or you let them cloud upload and then clean them up? It is the norm to use cloud upload and it is the norm to take pictures only for temporary use such as social network sites and then just remove them (most people stop caring about their images unless they are of kids, private events, special occasions, or otherwise, because if they're worth sharing they're already either printed/framed or they're on a social network).
Normal Android users do not use hundreds of apps at a time. Forget games with their multi-gigabyte additional files; the average Android app (non-game) APK is roughly 7-12MB. If you simultaneously had 100 applications installed (which in itself is utterly bonkers and at the point where you can't remember what apps you have installed), that's 1.2GB of apps, call it 1.5GB of apps after they generate their various data files on storage. Still leaves plenty of space for music, podcasts, and video content.
...I have unlimited data, but I only let my images upload over Wifi because I want my bandwidth for my mobile use. Who uses their mobile data for camera upload!? That is a ridiculous idea.
The fact that you said the HTC One has a "such a crappy low-megapixel camera" and that you think the reason it has a "crappy low megapixel camera" is because of your country's terrible 3G coverage clearly tells all of us that you quite literally have no clue what you are talking about. . HTC did not build a phone that caters to your country's mobile infrastructure, and the idea that you think that it is shows either a level of fanaticism or just plain foolishness.
Again, you have no idea how video formats, containers, codecs, or compression works either. Using the current most popular 4K video compression, a minute of 4K video is roughly 350MB in side. It is HIGHLY doubtful that anyone would be recording a very long scene using a smartphone camera, much less doing it in 4K. Mobile video capture has always been for very short clips, because people taking the video don't have the patience to record for longer than a minute or two minutes, and people watching don't have the patience to sit through more than one or two minutes of amateur home video anyway. Would you honestly watch more than 3 minutes of someone's smartphone-recorded video? I mean, really?
But you know, reality...and stuff.
Something you are actually correct about! You're right. KitKat did not "break" the SD card. The Android Open Source Project stopped any type of official support for exandable FAT32/exFAT based storage as of 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Every single implementation since then for external storage has been third-party. There are numerous reasons for this, and it's not all just about everyone's conspiracy that they want you to use their cloud services. Having a filesystem which uses FAT requires licensing from Microsoft, and is a security concern or a myriad of reasons. I suggest you read more into why KitKat specifically started to prevent apps from modifying data on a FAT-formatted SD card.
And none of them (not even Google Play Music) use any sort of official implementation from Google to do so. It's all hacked together, and it always will be.
Oh look, more ignorance, although in this case, it's forgivable. You can almost be guaranteed that CyangoenMod on the One will NOT include root access out of the box, because then their build of Android would not pass Google's Compatibility Test Suite (CTS) which it requires any Google-Apps partner to run. If you want root, you will have to go through a process of getting it (official process, yes, but again, not out of the box).
Look, some things you say may be valid for you, but you're extrapolating far too much and in some cases you're really not thinking your ideas through. You lack a lot of empirical evidence to support your empirical claims and easily Google-able facts concerning things like video compression and Android security issues are not outside of your grasp but you don't include them either.
Simply put, you believe you are right about your opinions simply because you want them to be right and you find yourself surrounded by other (particularly Galaxy users) who always want to be right. But Google is not stupid, they know what they are doing. Before getting outraged, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and research before coming to a conclusion.2I honestly wouldn't know what the size of.. is that a quarter? is.
I don't see why I should have to pay extra for something other, both more expensive and cheaper, bigger and smaller phones have by default.
And that brings me to "Why should I have to carry an additional device when I could just as well store it inside the phone in a tiny slot that costs nothing to add?" It's a hole, why should I pay more for less device?
Believe me, I'm not the exception. I've a fair bit of insight into mobile sales, and having an expandable memory is still one of the main selling points of a great many well-selling smartphones. (All of Samung's Galaxy Note & S line, for one). (Admittedly, there are also a great many people too stupid to even know the difference between an SDcard and a SIMcard... "Can I store my apps on my SIMcard?" /facepalm)
On an average day, I get about 25 people asking me "Can I put more GB in it for my music?" In a country with 17 million people, that's a lot for one shop. Why do you think the Nexus devices aren't selling as much as the S4 and S5? Can't be the price. Even if you take away the marketing part of the sales. People don't want a device they can't expand.
Even if not for videos and music, how are you going to store photo's taken with a 16MP camera on a 16GB phone? Particularly one that has only 4-9GB available for use? Do you simply not have apps?
Not everyone has the data package or the signal strength to sync photos to cloud all the time. Try doing that on the, over here very common, 250MB data package. That's what, 15 photo's? We don't have unlimited data packages, and 3G isn't exactly covering more than 60% of the country. Plus we have borders every 200-500km! Do you lot realize what roaming costs? 2 euro per MB (Why do you think the HTC One has such a crappy low-megapixel camera? (and the iPhone))
Not to mention, take the 4K filming... 4K recording with only 9GB internal storage free? Good luck with that!
I know how KitKat 'breaks' the SDcard. Except that it really doesn't. Even if you're not rooted, most big apps have long since been altered to use the SDcard again.
That is of course completely ignoring the fact that the OnePlus comes with Cyanogenmod, rendering the whole 'rootaccess' point entirely irrelevant.
Wow - if I just had more time, there would be so much stuff to respond, but some guys already did anyway. Just 2 short comments:
1. IF I want to buy a station wagon because I need the storage space, I would not go to the local Porsche dealer and complain about the fact, that a Porsche does not have enough space. I go to a dealer who offers a car for MY NEEDS and buy it there.
2. Nexus vs Samsung success - compare distribution (POS) and marketing funds and you have the main answer. It is no coincidence that the 2 companies with the largest distribution and marketing dollars spend enjoy the biggest success (Apple, Samsung) and this with a 100% contradictory SD card concept!
3. Sure there are good reasons for many users still using an SD Card and I´m fine with that, BUT don`t forget there is also the other side of the medal. Since you aren`t a developer you surely don`t spend a lot of time on developer.android.com, but here are just some reasons, why using a SD can be troublesome both for devs and users after unmounting and mounting an SD (and there are even more...)
Services
Your running Service will be killed and will not be restarted when external storage is remounted. You can, however, register for the ACTION_EXTERNAL_APPLICATIONS_AVAILABLE broadcast Intent, which will notify your application when applications installed on external storage have become available to the system again. At which time, you can restart your Service.
Alarm Services
Your alarms registered with AlarmManager will be cancelled. You must manually re-register any alarms when external storage is remounted.
Input Method Engines
Your IME will be replaced by the default IME. When external storage is remounted, the user can open system settings to enable your IME again.
Live Wallpapers
Your running Live Wallpaper will be replaced by the default Live Wallpaper. When external storage is remounted, the user can select your Live Wallpaper again.
App Widgets
Your App Widget will be removed from the home screen. When external storage is remounted, your App Widget will not be available for the user to select until the system resets the home application (usually not until a system reboot).
Account Managers
Your accounts created with AccountManager will disappear until external storage is remounted.
Sync Adapters
Your AbstractThreadedSyncAdapter and all its sync functionality will not work until external storage is remounted.
Device Administrators
Your DeviceAdminReceiver and all its admin capabilities will be disabled, which can have unforeseeable consequences for the device functionality, which may persist after external storage is remounted.
Broadcast Receivers listening for "boot completed"
The system delivers the ACTION_BOOT_COMPLETED broadcast before the external storage is mounted to the device. If your application is
installed on the external storage, it can never receive this broadcast.1
Very good point, I didn't know that about the Oppo phones. I'll definitely be looking out for that before I buy (assuming I'm lucky enough to get invited) since I have 5GB of apps installed on my N5.
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That they are. I once ordered a T-Shirt from Jinx (US company). The T-shirt was €20, I had to pay €80 import costs. First and last time I ever did that.... Plus they don't ship Lithium-Ion batteries inside devices anymore. Which is a little inconvenient without a removable battery.
I am actually considering getting it. I do believe I said that in my first post...
The people here are a minority, yes. But I do actually have insight into a fair bit of market information, and particularly Samsung is very, very aware of the popularity of MicroSD slots. It's why they're still available on all their devices, even with the possibility of reduced costs by removing it.
Were you aware they gave out an 8GB MicroSD free to everyone who bought an S5 on the release? I was there (on behalf of T-Mobile and Samsung.) The queue of people coming in to claim their MicroSD was ridiculously long. And they all inserted them straight away.
People here on XDA often seem to forget 99% of the market is not very good at efficient space management. (I'm putting that nicely.) They don't want to have to hook their device up to a pc every other day to move or backup all the snapshots they took to share with friends because their memory is full. They dont'lower the camera setting to free up space. They don't delete an app straight away if they don't use it. And they don't clean out their device. Ever.
Actually a bit more than 3. Saturn Germany ran a discount last weekend. One 64GB Sandisk MicroSDXC Ultra + Adapter for €35.00 (taxes included.) Needless to say, I bought 6. (They had a stack of 600 on first order. It ran dry within the first hour.)
