[Q] Does fm radio exist on LG G3?

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iLHaNroID

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http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g3_vs_samsung_galaxy_s5-review-1092.php

In LG G3 vs SGS5 comparison/review GSMArena stresses FM radio as "G3 over S5" but only for the Euro version.

(I have watched many YouTube videos for G3 that are found there at the moment, all Korean model, none of them was Euro or so called international model, and have not seen a FM Radio app icon on those reviewed devices). Dunno if it was the case in G2 too, but G2 has FM radio, at least in Euro version.


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Maine_Coon

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http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g3_vs_samsung_galaxy_s5-review-1092.php

In LG G3 vs SGS5 comparison/review GSMArena stresses FM radio as "G3 over S5" but only for the Euro version.

(I have watched many YouTube videos for G3 that are found there at the moment, all Korean model, none of them was Euro or so called international model, and have not seen a FM Radio app icon on those reviewed devices). Dunno if it was the case in G2 too, but G2 has FM radio, at least in Euro version.


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European G3 has FM Radio, I just got the confirmation from the owner.
 

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Seems the T-Mobile G3 does not have FM radio. The app above launches but all these notifications pop up saying "Mock" in front of them when you try to do anything. Get no audio and the scanning clearly isn't actually scanning FM. Possibly locked and requires root but certainly not working or existing without.
 

spdwiz18

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Seems the T-Mobile G3 does not have FM radio. The app above launches but all these notifications pop up saying "Mock" in front of them when you try to do anything. Get no audio and the scanning clearly isn't actually scanning FM. Possibly locked and requires root but certainly not working or existing without.

Same with the att 850

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Wot-75

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Seems the T-Mobile G3 does not have FM radio. The app above launches but all these notifications pop up saying "Mock" in front of them when you try to do anything. Get no audio and the scanning clearly isn't actually scanning FM. Possibly locked and requires root but certainly not working or existing without.

Same with Verizon version.
 

dugateau

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Canada Bell D852 ... has no FM radio

Same with Verizon version.
I have the D852 and there is no FM radio.
Installing the APK gives Mock:xxxx messages.
Probably the FM radio is disabled.
I also wanted to have the FM working.
Maybe if rooted there might be a way to reactivate it, but for the moment there is no way.

Anyone know a way to get FM working ?
Thanks.
 

mikereidis

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I have the D852 and there is no FM radio.
Installing the APK gives Mock:xxxx messages.
Probably the FM radio is disabled.
I also wanted to have the FM working.
Maybe if rooted there might be a way to reactivate it, but for the moment there is no way.

Anyone know a way to get FM working ?
Thanks.

No, it's probably the same story as with the G2:

International (D802 for G2, D855 for G3) has usable FM, as does Sprint (LS980 for G2).

Everything else does not support FM, and FM is physically and unfixably disabled (at least on G2 proven so far).

So, No FM includes Korea, Canada, US variants for ATT, VZN and T-Mobile (but not Sprint, who gets a ransom from US FM stations). Also tends to include any LTE variants (Can't have Americans using "foreign" phones with LTE+FM).

In the G2, there is actually a rare case of a special chip that is missing, that switches between FM and BT ports. But even without that, disabled models have FM antenna pins on FM/combo chips tied unfixably to ground to disable in hardware.


G3 uses Qualcomm FM + Qualcomm audio, so the only hardware disablement known is grounding the antenna pin.


Anyway... If rooted, try this June 18 test release of Spirit2: http://d-h.st/rYw or July 31 here: http://d-h.st/afc

Rooted or not, try Spirit1: http://d-h.st/rbk
 

oktaya

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For any Turkish users, our hardware version is actually D855tr which does not have FM radio. This is supposedly due to the high cost of TRT (state broadcasting company) fees. Only if you get your phone through an alternate channel (paralel ithalat) will you get a G3 with FM radio.

By the way, installing the apk from another phone does not work. The hardware is reportedly not there.
 

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    Sprint version has fm radio
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    so that means that the hardware is the same at all devices and there is tuner build in at all of them..?

    Yes. AFAIK, pretty much all G3's are the same, except for supported baseband/modem bands, as well as FM enabled/disabled.

    The FM/BT/WiFi combo chip is from Qualcomm and has 2 antenna pins. On FM supported devices one of those pins is connected to wired headset jack through a few cheap and tiny capacitors and coils, etc.

    On FM non-supported devices, they just ground or short the antenna pins. All the software can run without "problems". But there is no signal.

    This is standard practice for years. Virtually all Android devices have an FM/BT/WiFi chip (though a few of the newest are killing FM for good...). But most devices disable, or "don't enable" FM in this way.

    It's a very simple way to enable/disable, and it's hacker proof, or would at least require thousands of dollars in equipment and skills to fix just one device.
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    On second thought it might not just be the rom and kernel. It may actually be the modem.img that controls all of the radios/3G/LTE/wifi/bluetooth/FM. I don't get my G3 until after Christmas so I cannot currently test. IIRC back in the day of windwos mobile some sprint phones HAD FM but it wasn't enabled until a firmware update. I know that this is true of the GPS in the htc ppc6800 aka the mogul. That is why I am thinking that it is software disabled. I really hope that someone can figure this out. I really hate wasting my data on iheartradio and youtube when I could just use FM radio.

    In the last 4 years I have never heard of interaction between FM and the modem side of things, except that modem hardware connections to audio could complicate things.

    I have yet to see a phone with FM disabled in firmware, unless we are talking about removing/disabling a kernel driver for FM or using not FM-friendly audio HALs.

    So far, FM has always been disabled or "not supported" in kernel, HAL, framework or by grounding the FM antenna pin(s) instead of connecting them to headset with a coil and cap or 2.

    The few cases where we see schematics shows that FM pin grounding is a favoured method. It's easy to do on a production line, even when the PCBs are the same; just a ground jumper and a few components not populated.
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    Is there any way to find out for sure without opening up the phone? I was looking on the FCC website and couldn't find any pictures of the PCB. I am looking at the verizon vs985 as that is what I plan on getting.

    Just get one of my Spirit2 apps "working", like this free open source one: http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3037801&d=1417174330

    It should "appear to work" with no error messages if the Qualcomm kernel driver for FM is loaded. Don't even worry about audio for now. Just see if RSSI at top left goes up when tuned to a strong station, and with a wired headset plugged in for antenna.

    If RSSI is negative or around zero or otherwise doesn't change, then the FM antenna pin is grounded.


    Don't worry about HALs or ROM. The G3 only needs to be rooted and a kernel with the FM driver loaded. In my experience, it's rare for a kernel to NOT have the FM driver in it (though sometimes it's been broken on CM ROMs that disabled kernel modules support).
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    return email from the fcc

    "Thank you for your letter supporting the inclusion and activation of FM chip sets in mobile wireless handsets. Your views on this issue are very important.
    As the Chairman recently indicated in a letter in response to a Congressional inquiry, he agrees with you that FM chip sets are a good idea, and understands that there are an increasing number of phones that include them.
    Please be assured, one of the Commission's highest priorities is to ensure that all Americans have the capability to receive timely and accurate alerts, warnings and critical information regarding disasters and other emergencies irrespective of what communications technologies they use. As we have learned from previous disasters, such a capability is essential to enable Americans to take appropriate action to protect their families and themselves from loss of life or serious injury.
    The Commission has a well-established policy of technologically-neutral regulation of the wireless telecommunications industry, which allows mobile wireless providers and equipment manufacturers to select and incorporate the technologies that will enable them to most effectively and efficiently deliver mobile alerts. Commission regulations do not prohibit activated FM chips in wireless handsets, and at least one major carrier has embraced the technology by providing FM radio access to their mobile customers."

    email fcc and demand cell carriers to no longer disable fm chips. it a matter fo public safety.