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29th March 2015, 02:56 PM |#131  
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Forum Fiend is officially dead.

Just got my cease and desist letter from Tapatalk, Inc. I'll probably comply vs trying to fight it. Its been a good run though .

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Forum Fiend v1.3.4.

sorry to ear this man... thanks for your work
 
 
29th March 2015, 03:11 PM |#132  
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Originally Posted by bastecklein

Forum Fiend is officially dead.

Just got my cease and desist letter from Tapatalk, Inc. I'll probably comply vs trying to fight it. Its been a good run though .

This is sad news. I'd like to thank you for all your efforts - this was really becoming a good alternative to TT but alas fighting with giants isn't fun Thanks again @bastecklein
30th March 2015, 02:24 AM |#133  
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They received $5800000 of venture capital funding last year

Yikes. That's a big wad of cash.

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Which open source license was the Tapatalk API released under when you first started work on Forum Fiend? Depending which one they used, then surely they cannot suddenly decide to restrict access to it with arbitrary changes to their terms of service. Some real underhanded stuff from Tapatalk Inc here.

Would be interesting to see the history of the license. I wonder what it was based on. Many licenses can be changed/revoked but several cannot. You may not be able to use new features implemented under the new license, but the old terms would still apply.

So I guess the XDA apps are under the BYO license?

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Would be interesting to see the history of the license.

I see this from July 2013 (since you were looking in the summer of '13) and it was basically unchanged throughout 2013.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130702...om/api/api.php
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Tapatalk API also allows you to develop your own app that works with any Tapatalk-activated forum system. This is especially useful if you are running a large community and would like to develop your own app. It allows you:

To add additional features to your existing app that need integration with your existing forum system. For example Single Sign-On.
To develop mobile app similar to what Tapatalk team has developed

I don't see any mention there of an underlying OSS license it was modeled after. Nothing in there about changing the terms either.

Don't see where they can revoke the previous license that you developed under, as you did nothing for them to revoke it over.
30th June 2015, 07:14 PM |#134  
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All is not lost as code for v1.3.3 exists on https://github.com/abartmatozu/forum-fiend-osp. Despite the description, it is not an official repo and there isn't any "Forum Fiend" code on @bastecklein's github. The theme activity needs to be added to the AndroidManifest.xml otherwise it will crash when changing the theme. There's no issue tracker there, so I suppose we just have to wait until somebody else forks it under a free software licence. I understand there are forks on Google Play already. Of course, eventually there will need to be free implementation to the Tapatalk API: that's discussed elsewhere: http://forum.xda-developers.com/andr...maybe-t2940632. In the mean time, it works great.

P.S I just donated to @bastecklein on the basis of this app but for future donations to be possible the source code would better be published to @bastecklein's own account at Github. I doubt if f-droid.org will include a donation URL when they publish it and there aren't any obvious URLs in the existing source code itself.

P.P.S Tapatalk terms are now at https://tapatalk.com/api.php.
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1st July 2015, 02:19 PM |#135  
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I'm wondering why this was not on xda portal page yet...
22nd October 2015, 01:09 AM |#136  
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Are there hope to see an Open Source forum reader someday? Even better if multiplatform....
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31st October 2015, 07:50 PM |#137  
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Thank you for open sourcing Forum Fiend, which was used as a working reference model to develop Forum Friends - a multi-platform forum discussion app. It was necessary to completely rewrite Forum Friends from the ground up to support Android, IOS and desktop browsers.

Regarding legal issues with the use of the Tapatalk api, decades of case law support the fact that an api is not copyrightable. In addition there are a number of open source implementations of the Tapatalk api available on git for different forum systems.

In developing Forum Friends I have accumulated a good amount of experience in working with the Tapatalk api as well as Forum Fiend. I have encountered many of the issues brought up in this thread, for instance, it was mentioned that it takes a long time to load xda-developer.com into Forum Fiend, or it appears that the app hangs. This is due in part to the Tapatalk api sending the entire list of forums on xda-developer.com to the app encoded as xml-rpc values, a situation that generates several megabytes of data to download and process. Forum Fiend then goes through several stages in processing this data where each stage stores a copy resulting in excessive memory consumption as well as requiring a lot of processing time. The Tapatalk app is not much better at dealing with this scenario as it also downloads and processes the entire list of forums.

Another issue is maintaining persistent login sessions. Most CDNs do not handle preserving session cookies very well and a logged in session only lasts for a few api requests at best. But it is a rather cumbersome problem to deal with in Forum Fiend with the way asynchronous requests are handled.

Issues like this have been fully dealt with in Forum Friends which has been completely rewritten in javascript as an Apache Cordova app. Javascript can handle processing large datasets surprisingly well and there are some excellent frameworks available for handling asynchronous requests (promise apis). Another huge advantage of Cordova/JS is the fact that you can support multiple platforms with the same codebase with minimal platform-specific code.

A separate thread has been created for Forum Friends. Forum Friends is available now on Google Play, search for "Forum Friends".











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1st November 2015, 10:55 AM |#138  
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Really sad, I loved FF.

To Forum Friends:
I tried it, seems damn bugged to me and the UI is not comparable to FF.
Adding forums is damn hard, the user has to enter links for the API and banner. Don't know where to get them.
1st November 2015, 06:42 PM |#139  
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Really sad, I loved FF.

To Forum Friends:
I tried it, seems damn bugged to me and the UI is not comparable to FF.
Adding forums is damn hard, the user has to enter links for the API and banner. Don't know where to get them.

Draygon,
A few comments:

The free version of Forum Friends is for read-only access to forums, so yes there are fewer features in the free version compared to Forum Fiend. There is an in-app purchase option to unlock all the features.

You only need to enter the domain name of the forum when adding forums, as in: linuxforums.org . But thanks for this suggestion, the other data items you mentioned have been removed from the form.

I don't know what you mean about the app being bugged, can you be more specific?

Compared with Forum Fiend, the analytics coming in now for Forum Friends show a much higher number of screens per session and longer session duration. I think the issue in Forum Fiend where a significant delay existed in accessing top level forum categories was a show stopper in many cases.
25th October 2016, 03:04 AM |#140  
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Hi... I can't find it on the playstore. Samsung SM-N9005 HLTE

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25th October 2016, 04:24 AM |#141  
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Hi... I can't find it on the playstore. Samsung SM-N9005 HLTE

Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk

As posted above:

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Originally Posted by bastecklein
Forum Fiend is officially dead.

Just got my cease and desist letter from Tapatalk, Inc. I'll probably comply vs trying to fight it. Its been a good run though .

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