Push Samsung to release Exynos Source Code! [Update 25.11.13]

Will Samsung loose you as a customer if they don`t release the Source Code?


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kojoti75

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Can somebody write letter and twitter comment how we will all send same message to Samsung and update them on first topic?
 
I frankly dont have twitter account.. But if my one vote can contribute and make samsung to release Exynos codes. I ll make one today.. Rite now... Is thr any count how many votes have been done??

Edit: LOL dunno how to post on twitter. But posted a letter Hope they release before DEC 21st... I want to see JB buttery smooth on my S2
 
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Scarface1991

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I frankly dont have twitter account.. But if my one vote can contribute and make samsung to release Exynos codes. I ll make one today.. Rite now... Is thr any count how many votes have been done??

Can somebody write letter and twitter comment how we will all send same message to Samsung and update them on first topic?

You can write them a personal letter here:

http://opensource.samsung.com/recept...method=inquiry

if you don`t have time to write a big letter you can use an already written one a page ago ;)

I edited the first page with a done letter that everyone can copy and paste if someone doesn`t have the time to write one


done :D

send it 2 times with 2 different email's

Done! I really hope we get a massive amount of people to do the same and finally push Samsung to release the sources which are needed by the developers. Otherwise, I am 100% sure that my next phone will be from the Nexus series.


Perfect, this thing is growing and growing. It would be awesome if you guys tip popular blogs like Engadget.com and theverge.com and maybe they write about us, so more people will know that this campaign exists :)
 
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Scarface1991

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i just sent message to Engadget hope they will do something :fingers-crossed:

awesome, I did it also, maybe they write about us, that would be so awesome if we would get a little support by very popular blogs like Engadget.

Edit:

I just send a message to The Verge:

HI, first of all I am a daily reader of your blog and I think it`s one of the best. Your articles are always up to date and great written.

I am a member of the famous XDA-Developers.com site and in the last days the community started a campaign to ask Samsung to release the Source Code and proper documentation for their Exynos based devices. Without this Source Code it`s very hard to impossible for great developers inside the Android community to develop stable ROMs like the CyanogenMod, that adds additional features to Android and makes it possible to be on the newest Google Vanilla-Android version before the manufacturer releases it to the public or even when the manufacturer doesn`t support the phone anymore.
Without Samsung`s help we will loose great developers as they will leave to other companies which provide the source code, like Qualcomm or Texas Instruments.
It`s already happening as a great developer named codeworkx left the Galaxy SIII because of the above stated issues.

There is a petition thread on XDA-Developers.com where people can look up where to contact Samsung about this issue:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1925709

A couple of days later Samsung responded with this:
http://104.imagebam.com/download/RbncvKyotH6-SI6zjN6uNQ/21436/214356937/CM10.png

and this:
http://106.imagebam.com/download/o6jfPwJIu_R3ehPKzopo0w/21436/214356779/CM.png

So they are aware of this issue and other popular Android blogs and sites started to write about us:

Androidcentral:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-hears-exynos-community-documentation-concerns

and of course XDA-developers:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/

just to name a few.


Other petition threads regarding this issue:

Galaxy Note N7000:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32622901#post32622901

Galaxy SII:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1929188

AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32624976#post32624976


I don`t know if it`s worth a news for you but I really hope that you support us a little by making this more public, so maybe we can make a difference in Samsung`s arrogant behavior.
 
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Done though I'm not interested about aosp roms. Still it would be great to get all working properly in custom roms.

edit. Scarface1991 I think you should put that opensource.samsung.com website and the ready answer in the first post higher to get even the most laziest to send it forward. Now they see first the text that the needed info is in sgs3 thread.
 
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I don't want to sound superstitious but lately everything has been going my way so I'm quite optimistic about this. ;) Hopefully my "luck" won't run out!

I've also sent a message and a demanding, yet polite tweet. :)
 

Scarface1991

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Done though I'm not interested about aosp roms. Still it would be great to get all working properly in custom roms.

edit. Scarface1991 I think you should put that opensource.samsung.com website and the ready answer in the first post higher to get even the most laziest to send it forward. Now they see first the text that the needed info is in sgs3 thread.

You may want to include the Facebook Page in OP

https://www.facebook.com/ExynosSourceCode

Regards

I updated the first page with how to contact Samsung, so people can go there directly from this thread.

Thanks for the Facebook page, included it in the first page :)
 

Scarface1991

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Hi guys,

I am a member of the famous XDA-Developers site and I`ve been following the CyanogenMod progress for some time now and a big problem for CM developers is to bring a stable and bugfree version of Jelly Bean to Samsung Exynos based devices because there is no source code and no proper documentation. Now people from the XDA community including myself created numerous petition threads. Goal of those threads is that Samsung releases the Source Code and proper documentation for their Exynos based devices. We had our first "success" and got their attention:

http://104.imagebam.com/download/RbncvKyotH6-SI6zjN6uNQ/21436/214356937/CM10.png

and

http://106.imagebam.com/download/o6jfPwJIu_R3ehPKzopo0w/21436/214356779/CM.png

Now more and more people are asking Samsung the same thing and our goal is to make this as popular as possible.

Other Android blogs and sites already reported about this

XDA:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/

Androidcentral:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-hears-exynos-community-documentation-concerns

TalkAndroid:
http://www.talkandroid.com/135667-s...loper-community-concerns-about-documentation/

just to name a few.

Links to the petition threads:

Galaxy SII I9100:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1929188

Galaxy SIII:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1925709

Galaxy Note N7000:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32622901#post32622901

AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32624976#post32624976


People from Samsung already contacted the CyanogenMod Team and they told them what we want to have.


Here is what one of the main CM developers codeworkx wrote:
Seems you got korea's attention because of the "flooding" the community is currently doing via opensource.samsung.com. twitter, facebook and so on. They contacted us and we told them again what the community wants to have.


I don`t know if it`s worth a news here but I thought I try it and let you know about this.
 

yahyoh

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Dear Sir or Madam,


Thanks for your continuous interest in our products.
We received your request on OSRC.


We will provide the response ASAP, if your request is related to FOSS.
(This site is just for providing source code of FOSS Software we have used in our product.
You could contact with other types - ex. firmware - on your local Samsung support homepage.)

Thank you.

Sincerely yours,

:(:(
 

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    EDIT 25.11.13

    The experimental Build with the new exynos sources works fine on the S3 and improves on graphics related stuff. There are some things that are broken but I hope those issues can be ironed out.

    In collaboration with geecko, here's a test build with the updated graphics stuff.
    ======== Don't expect it to be working 100% correctly that's not the goal. This build is exclusively to get your feedback on graphics and overall performance of the ROM. It is known that Camera and video playback might be both broken partially in this build.

    It basically enables us to use hardware overlays, which means that the GPU has less work to do because all the compositing work is managed by fimd. Better performance (butter), lower power consumption. :good:

    If someone wants to try it out, it can be downloaded here (FOR S3 I9300 ONLY):

    http://dl.omnirom.org/omni-4.4-20131119-i9300-EXPERIMENTAL-GRAPHICS.zip


    EDIT 19.11.13


    Samsung dropped an insignal Update for the Exynos 4412 devices which can be used with AOSP. It's hard to implement but thanks to the brilliant developers at XDA there is hope. Check this out from the Omni Thread:

    I found those 2 interesting commits:

    https://gerrit.omnirom.org/#/c/2431/

    https://gerrit.omnirom.org/#/c/2436/

    What's with the insignal exynos4 update? Does it actually do any good? (I would be very surprised if Samsung would actually do something positive for the developer community ^^)

    And also will the second commit when implemented enable tv-out on the I9100? Will this be usable on other Exynos devices especially the I9300?




    I have been too busy with other stuff to mess with them. In theory - actual working hwcomposer and maybe TV-out. More than 6 months after when they promised, Insignal finally dropped an update, but it proved extremely difficult to integrate at that time plus none of the "old" crew had much motivation to mess with it. Clement seems to have gained motivation and has done some great stuff so far. :)

    The initial Insignal drop was actually for Exynos 4412 devices. 4412 and 4210 are nearly identical, main differences are regarding JPEG compression and the camera interfaces.


    GeeckoDev:

    Ok, so now hwcomposer isn't complaining anymore. Screen is completely black now because fences are timing out (surfaces are ready to be displayed when the fence is firing). dmesg is full of derp, looks like Mali driver is complaining. That's another progress... getting closer ;)


    EDIT: sent a mail to three samsung developers.. who knows

    EDIT2: xplodwild should release a test build for i9300 users tomorrow.


    The Test build is going to be for the I9300 but since the S2 has an almost identical SoC it's not far behind if everything works out for the I9300. It's great news and that's what we need :)


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    Before 2013:


    EDIT
    Until now there was a lot of talk from Samsung but everything they released so far is useless for AOSP. They promised full availability of Exynos Source Code by the end of 2012. Let`s see if this time they can keep their promise or if it will be just talk like in the past with the eMMC Super-Brick issue.

    25/10/2012 Samsung Exynos Tweets:

    Yes, we are opening up HAL source code for the platform, which includes HWC, camera, gralloc, audio and light.

    Developers: Expect full availability of integrated source code for #Exynos 4 family of processors on OrigenBoard by the end of 2012!
    https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/261482746101235712

    Git server access will also be available to the public in Nov. 2012
    https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos/status/261483932925689856


    Now let`s hope they really mean it and that they don`t open up something useless...
    Nevertheless I`m glad that we accomplished something.

    Samsung presentation at the Big Android BBQ:

    exynos1.jpg


    A5wYC9ECEAAJLGU.jpg


    chainfire tweets:

    It seems Samsung is saying there will be sourcecode for the needed Exynos parts... I'm not sure it's everything TeamHacksung needs, ...

    ... but I'm sure they'll let us know. It all sounds very promising though. First stuff should be seen in weeks, complete before 2013.



    Complete Samsung Developers Session:




    This thread is the equivalent to the one in the SIII Forums and not my idea. AntonLiv92 started the thread to inform people where they can write personal concerns to Samsung, so they will release the source code and proper documentation for Exynos based devices and as you probably all know our SII is based on Samsung`s Exynos 4210 processor.

    This thread will inform you people where to contact Samsung, so that we get their attention or as codeworkx said:

    Originally Posted by codeworkx
    If they don't know that there are a lot of users out who are pissed because of the bad exynos support, then they'll not change anything.
    If 10 users are crying -> just 10 users, ignore them.
    If 1000 users are crying -> ok, let's think a few minutes about it.
    If 100.000 users are crying -> holy ****, we have to do something

    If you stop crying, they'll stop paying attention and you've achieved nothing like in the past.

    So our goal is to get Samsung`s attention by writing as many concerns as possible of missing source code to Samsung. Of course it`s also important what you write, so it`s not just a big noob campaign asking for the Source Code. Codeworkx made a list of what is needed:

    Originally Posted by codeworkx
    - git repos
    - commit history
    - release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
    - up2date reference code for their video interfaces
    - up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
    - up2date reference audio hal
    - up2date reference hardwarecomposer
    - patches needed for android framework (platform support)
    - gralloc if possible
    - maybe hdmi?
    - maybe fmradio?

    You can find a done letter that you can copy and paste more down below.

    Main Petition thread in the SIII Forums created by AntonLiv92:
    [MISSION] Let's get some Exynos sources! - xda-developers

    There is also a thread in the Galaxy Note N7000 section as well now created by androidindian:
    [IMPORTANT] Make Samsung release "Exynos" sources! - xda-developers

    Galaxy Note II:
    http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=32684117#post32684117

    And the AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II SGH-I777 section as well:
    Samsung Exynos Movement(POLL ADDED) - xda-developers

    German Thread regarding this issue:
    http://www.android-hilfe.de/samsung...moegliche-freigabe-der-exynos-quellcodes.html

    Thread on Androidforums:
    http://androidforums.com/samsung-ga...1098-push-samsung-release-exynos-sources.html

    Facebook group "Polite request to Samsung to release Exynos source code":
    https://www.facebook.com/ExynosSourceCode

    So yes we are serious about this!

    HOW TO CONTACT SAMSUNG?

    Via Twitter: https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos
    https://twitter.com/samsungmobile

    Via Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SamsungMobile

    Via Google+: https://plus.google.com/+SamsungMobile


    You can write a personal letter regarding the release of the source code to:
    http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/receptionSub.do?method=inquiry

    If you don`t have time for writing a big letter, this is a already written one that you can copy and paste:

    Requester: Enter your name.

    ID (E-mail): Enter your email address.

    Country: Select your country.

    Inquiry Type: Select "Request for Source Codes".

    Model: Enter "Samsung I9100 Galaxy S II".

    Message: Copy & Paste the following...

    Dear Samsung,

    without a doubt you build the best phones on the market and I really enjoy using the Galaxy SII I9100 but there is a problem. A lot of people like to use mods like the popular CyanogenMod on your flagship
    devices. Without the source code and proper documentation great developers like codeworkx who is a device maintainer for Samsung phones at XDA-Developers.com start to turn their back on Samsung
    phones like the Galaxy SIII because they are based on the Exynos processor due to the fact that there is a lack of source code and proper documentation. Since developers are the lifeblood of Android it`s
    not a good sign to see them leave to other companies who provide proper source code and documentation. Qualcomm and Texas Instruments understand that and they released their source code and
    developers are using it to do great things.


    With this letter I ask you to release Source code and proper documentation for the Exynos 4210 and the Exynos 4412 and in the best case it should include the following:

    - git repos
    - commit history
    - release patches if ready as single commits and not as big messed up tarballs
    - up2date reference code for their video interfaces
    - up2date reference camera hal to work with these interfaces
    - up2date reference audio hal
    - up2date reference hardwarecomposer
    - patches needed for android framework (platform support)
    - gralloc if possible
    - maybe hdmi?
    - maybe fmradio?

    Thank you for your great phones and I really hope that you will release the above stated things.




    Responses from Twitter @samsungExynos

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    CM.png

    Screen%20Shot%202012-10-12%20at%207.45.09%20PM.jpg

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    There are other signs that this might go somewhere, since this concern is reported now on several popular Android-blogs like Androidcentral and sites like XDA Developers, which will lead to even bigger popularity on this issue.

    They also contacted the CM team:
    Seems you got korea's attention because of the "flooding" the community is currently doing via opensource.samsung.com. twitter, facebook and so on. They contacted us and we told them again what the community wants to have.

    You know that bad press for samsung is our most effective weapon to make things changing.
    So if you want to make samsung to continue paying attention, you know what to do...
    Fight till you got what you want to have.

    XDA:
    Samsung Aware of Exynos Documentation Issue – xda-developers

    Androidcentral:
    Samsung 'hears' Exynos community documentation concerns | Android Central

    Sammobile:
    Samsung Listens To Developer Concerns Over Missing Exynos Docs | SamMobile

    Androidauthority:
    Samsung acknowledges lack of documentation for Exynos SoC

    Androidpit:
    Exynos-Affäre: Entwickler setzen Samsung unter Druck - AndroidPIT

    Sammyhub:
    Samsung Investigating Exynos Documentation Issue - Sammy Hub

    Tech-Gadget:
    Samsung ‘hears’ Exynos community documentation concerns | Tech Gadget

    Other links in the SIII thread.

    Here is also a great video that summarizes this whole mess about Samsung and Exynos:


    It is also recommended to tip popular news-blogs like Engadget or the Verge, so maybe they write about us and what we try to accomplish.



    I thought that this thread might be a good idea, since we have one of the biggest userbases on the Android-platform.


    Now you guys know what to do ;)

    Big thanks to AntonLiv92 for letting me use the contact links in my thread :)
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    I should have some time to work on it now :good:
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    I didn't thought that I would ever update this thread after Samsung screwed us yet again but there is hope now. Samsung released an Insignal update of their Exynos Sources and it is something that devs can actually use with AOSP although it is really hard to implement. What good comes from it? If everything goes well, a working hw-composer and even tv-out.

    I found those 2 interesting commits:

    https://gerrit.omnirom.org/#/c/2431/

    https://gerrit.omnirom.org/#/c/2436/

    What's with the insignal exynos4 update? Does it actually do any good? (I would be very surprised if Samsung would actually do something positive for the developer community ^^)

    And also will the second commit when implemented enable tv-out on the I9100? Will this be usable on other Exynos devices especially the I9300?

    I have been too busy with other stuff to mess with them. In theory - actual working hwcomposer and maybe TV-out. More than 6 months after when they promised, Insignal finally dropped an update, but it proved extremely difficult to integrate at that time plus none of the "old" crew had much motivation to mess with it. Clement seems to have gained motivation and has done some great stuff so far. :)

    The initial Insignal drop was actually for Exynos 4412 devices. 4412 and 4210 are nearly identical, main differences are regarding JPEG compression and the camera interfaces.


    GeeckoDev:

    Ok, so now hwcomposer isn't complaining anymore. Screen is completely black now because fences are timing out (surfaces are ready to be displayed when the fence is firing). dmesg is full of derp, looks like Mali driver is complaining. That's another progress... getting closer ;)

    EDIT: sent a mail to three samsung developers.. who knows

    EDIT2: xplodwild should release a test build for i9300 users tomorrow.

    The Test build is going to be for the I9300 but since the S2 has an almost identical SoC it's not far behind if everything works out for the I9300. It's great news and that's what we need :)
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    pfft, @GeeckoDev is just another frenchie... :p

    I'm trying to teach a lesson to these old apes that thought that exynos was dead. :laugh:
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    I don't have the link right now for the insignal stuff but on the first post you can see the commits used in the Omni experimental build. Many Users said it improved graphic related performance stuff (like UI scrolling, 2D, 3D) noticeably.

    It basically enables us to use hardware overlays, which means that the GPU has less work to do because all the compositing work is managed by fimd. Better performance (butter), lower power consumption. :good:

    Getting back to work :angel: