discussion of s-off

scotty1223 · Apr 9, 2012

Land Master said:
YES

YES but currently if you re-lock the phone is says "re-locked" not "locked". There is speculation that once S-off is made available that the dev's will be able to hack this and change it to say LOCKED..

No hacks are needed. When the radio secureflag is off,hboot no longer performs the checks to decide to make the hboot say relocked instead of just locked.

All youll need to do is run an RUU,or fastboot flash a locked hboot from an ruu. After that its locked again.

theres a good chance writesecureflag 3 will s-on,and ill try it as soon as im s off and know for sure i can get back to it

it is possible that this exploit will be forever,permanent s-off,like clipped phones. neither g-free nor write secureflag will turn s back to on on my thunderbolt or inc 2.

while i understand the excitement for the phone to be able to pass the visual locked test, keep in mind that htc does have your serial number,and if push comes to shove it is remotely possible that they can look it up and in seconds know that you unlocked,despite being cleverly s on and locked

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apophis9283 · Apr 9, 2012

I cant wait..... But im going to have to.

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BeagleBoy · Apr 9, 2012

Does our current hboot version matter? That is, do we need to avoid the most recent hboot from the 3-11 leak?

Were any of the testers running the 3-11 hboot?

-Jim

CharliesTheMan · Apr 9, 2012

The latest leak's hboot worked fine for those testers on the ICS leaked RUU

dottat · Apr 9, 2012

scotty1223 said:
No hacks are needed. When the radio secureflag is off,hboot no longer performs the checks to decide to make the hboot say relocked instead of just locked.

All youll need to do is run an RUU,or fastboot flash a locked hboot from an ruu. After that its locked again.

theres a good chance writesecureflag 3 will s-on,and ill try it as soon as im s off and know for sure i can get back to it it is possible that this exploit will be forever,permanent s-off,like clipped phones. neither g-free nor write secureflag will turn s back to on on my thunderbolt or inc 2.

while i understand the excitement for the phone to be able to pass the visual locked test, keep in mind that htc does have your serial number,and if push comes to shove it is remotely possible that they can look it up and in seconds know that you unlocked,despite being cleverly s on and locked

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So the one thing that comes to mind when i read this is that how can they prove you actually flashed the unlock bin file and thus unlocked. I really doubt in a court of law merely obtaining the means of unlocking (htcdev) constitutes actually doing it.

Is there some other piece of embedded software that phones home post unlock?

scotty1223 · Apr 9, 2012

dottat said:
So the one thing that comes to mind when i read this is that how can they prove you actually flashed the unlock bin file and thus unlocked. I really doubt in a court of law merely obtaining the means of unlocking (htcdev) constitutes actually doing it.

Is there some other piece of embedded software that phones home post unlock?

thats a good point... after thinkin about it some,i guess all they really could prove is that you requested an unlock code,and they emailed it to you.

badogg · Apr 9, 2012

scotty1223 said:
thats a good point... after thinkin about it some,i guess all they really could prove is that you requested an unlock code,and they emailed it to you.

Unless there is something in the phone's firmware that is phoning home with info that the unlock was completed. Definitely possible.

apophis9283 · Apr 9, 2012

Wouldnt that be in a eula if they were to have the software phone home?

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scotty1223 · Apr 9, 2012

badogg said:
Unless there is something in the phone's firmware that is phoning home with info that the unlock was completed. Definitely possible.

of course,after yet more thot

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) it may not matter wether you unlocked or not. you need to check the lil boxes that you understand that you have voided "all or parts of your warranty"

that in intself may be enuff of an admission of guilt.

i do agree if the phone looks stock,youre not likely to have prollems. just playin devils advocate and throwin out some ideas.

as has been said,the phones are not really checked very well,and we as rooters/phone modders are in the minority of all phones purchased.

CharliesTheMan · Apr 9, 2012

scotty1223 said:
thats a good point... after thinkin about it some,i guess all they really could prove is that you requested an unlock code,and they emailed it to you.

Yes but isn't in the terms that you except when you begin the unlock process that by requesting the unlock code you may violate your warranty. So far I've seen a lot of warranty claims that I felt like HTC should have refused based on user error honored, so I don't see them changing that anytime soon. But I would be surprised if their legal counsel really overlooked seeing such an argument coming and not putting it in the terms we accept that requesting the code was enough to void the warranty.

I've seen far dumber mistakes though. Scotty knows his stuff and he's one of the guys at the top of my list when it comes to respecting his opinion on things of this nature. I've never read the contract that you have to agree to to begin the unlocking process so I have no idea what it says. I knew way before unlock was available that if I damaged my phone because I was unlocked I would need to take responsibility so I didn't give it a lot of thought.

scotty1223 · Apr 9, 2012

CharliesTheMan said:
I've never read the contract that you have to agree to to begin the unlocking process so I have no idea what it says. I knew way before unlock was available that if I damaged my phone because I was unlocked I would need to take responsibility so I didn't give it a lot of thought.

You are about to start the process of unlocking your device. Unlocking your device allows you to install custom Operating Systems (“OS”) onto your device. Custom OS’s are not tested as thoroughly as your original OS, and unlocking your device may void all or parts of your warranty. HTC disclaims any and all liability for proper functioning of your device after the bootloader has been unlocked and for data lost in the unlocking process. To prevent unauthorized access to your data, unlocking the bootloader will delete all personal data from your device including applications, text messages and personalized settings.

Do you still wish to continue?

Yes No

and then:

Legal Terms

In order to continue, please read and accept the following legal terms:

_I acknowledge that use of the unlock bootloader may void all or parts of my warranty device and my device may not function as intended by HTC.

_I acknowledge that, if my device requires repairs, HTC may charge for additional costs due to the unlocked bootloader.

clicking yes to continue,then checking both the boxes gets you to the unlock instructions.

i have done this a bunch of times with various devices... i hope its not keeping a tally

apophis9283 · Apr 9, 2012

It says nothing in the eula about the phone being allowed to "phone home"

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badogg · Apr 9, 2012

apophis9283 said:
It says nothing in the eula about the phone being allowed to "phone home"

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No doubt. Doesn't mean it isn't doing it, but as scotty said it is probably not even an issue because you agree to bad stuff if you accept the terms of getting the boot loader in the first place. You give them the devices serial number after all.

What that means is that even if we get s-off and are able to reset that stuff, they could probably (if they wanted to make an example out of you) use that to deny warranty coverage. Probably doesn't make much business sense though because as scotty pointed out, we are a pretty small minority. However, we are a vocal and influential minority, IMO.

a.mcdear · Apr 9, 2012

badogg said:
No doubt. Doesn't mean it isn't doing it, but as scotty said it is probably not even an issue because you agree to bad stuff if you accept the terms of getting the boot loader in the first place. You give them the devices serial number after all.

What that means is that even if we get s-off and are able to reset that stuff, they could probably (if they wanted to make an example out of you) use that to deny warranty coverage. Probably doesn't make much business sense though because as scotty pointed out, we are a pretty small minority. However, we are a vocal and influential minority, IMO.

I honestly don't understand why we even keep worrying about warranty when myself and many others have already returned UNLOCKED and ROOTED Rezounds to Verizon without any problems. You guys can keep debating it if you want, but so far all indications are that they have absolutely no issues honoring warranty issues on unlocked Rezounds.

apophis9283 · Apr 9, 2012

Agreed. Htc is pretty good to its customers. Ive called them before and told them i was rooted and so on, they didnt seem to care because they helped me

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mighty_markus12 · Apr 9, 2012

NAU420 said:
I have a dream, that one day all HTC Rezounds shall have S-Off!!!!!!

Sorry I was day dreaming!!!!

"Hopefully" that dream will come true.

badogg · Apr 9, 2012

a.mcdear said:
I honestly don't understand why we even keep worrying about warranty when myself and many others have already returned UNLOCKED and ROOTED Rezounds to Verizon without any problems. You guys can keep debating it if you want, but so far all indications are that they have absolutely no issues honoring warranty issues on unlocked Rezounds.

Pretty much what I meant when I said "they could probably (if they wanted to make an example out of you) use that to deny warranty coverage"

scotty1223 · Apr 10, 2012

a.mcdear said:
I honestly don't understand why we even keep worrying about warranty when myself and many others have already returned UNLOCKED and ROOTED Rezounds to Verizon without any problems.

because you may hve been lucky,you have no way of knowing.

how bout this for an anology: i passed several different citys police enforcement for several months with no front plate. your situation is like me saying "they dont really care if you have a front plate or not. i havent had one for several months now." but then BAM! cop in a bad mood for whatever reason pulls me over and gives me a ticket.

i personally dont care,im willing to pay the insurance deductible if i brick my phone. as i said,im just playin devils advocate and throwin ideas around. i personally dont think folks should get too comfortable with their rooted phones- its not htc or vzws fault if someone develops the "theyll warranty it" attitude and starts hapazzardy flashing stuff they shouldnt. or they purposelfully brick it because the screen is scratched up and they want a new one(seen it happen

)

but your coments are partially why i brought it up. folks are fixated on making their phone say locked. if vzw/htc want to be dicks it may not matter.

just my 2 cents

antp121 · Apr 10, 2012

scotty1223 said:
because you may hve been lucky,you have no way of knowing.

how bout this for an anology: i passed several different citys police enforcement for several months with no front plate. your situation is like me saying "they dont really care if you have a front plate or not. i havent had one for several months now." but then BAM! cop in a bad mood for whatever reason pulls me over and gives me a ticket.

i personally dont care,im willing to pay the insurance deductible if i brick my phone. as i said,im just playin devils advocate and throwin ideas around. i personally dont think folks should get too comfortable with their rooted phones- its not htc or vzws fault if someone develops the "theyll warranty it" attitude and starts hapazzardy flashing stuff they shouldnt. or they purposelfully brick it because the screen is scratched up and they want a new one(seen it happen )

but your coments are partially why i brought it up. folks are fixated on making their phone say locked. if vzw/htc want to be dicks it may not matter.

just my 2 cents

just smash the screen when you return it

lol

mighty_markus12 · Apr 10, 2012

I dont care what anyone says. Having s-off will benefit us all. Setting your phone 100% back to stock "locked" is the way to go.

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