HTC Flagship 2012 - HTC One X (Endeavor) - Tegra 3 - Mega Information Thread

kokusho · Jul 16, 2013

Seems like the T4 is grabbing all the upcoming tablet. Not bad for a chips that's supposed to sell badly.

beno619 · Jul 16, 2013

kokusho said:
Seems like the T4 is grabbing all the upcoming tablet. Not bad for a chips that's supposed to sell badly.

All the upcoming tablets, care to list some of these quality tablets ?

Getting in the next Surface RT a tablet nobody wants is no success story. T4 is a fail.

timlambo · Jul 16, 2013

beno619 said:
All the upcoming tablets, care to list some of these quality tablets ?

Getting in the next Surface RT a tablet nobody wants is no success story. T4 is a fail.

Best one I can think of with t4 would have to be the new asus infinity pad. High resolution screen and t4. Also Toshiba having 2 tablets on t4, the excite pro and excite write. Not that Toshiba is really that good.

Anyway I'm actually waiting for a s800 soc in tablets. After playing with my brother's one, I just realize how much cooler snapdragon is compared to tegra, or at least the s600 compared to t3.

Oh one last thing... Is there any way to remove yellow spot on the hox screen?

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hamdir · Jul 16, 2013

timlambo said:
Best one I can think of with t4 would have to be the new asus infinity pad. High resolution screen and t4. Also Toshiba having 2 tablets on t4, the excite pro and excite write. Not that Toshiba is really that good.

Anyway I'm actually waiting for a s800 soc in tablets. After playing with my brother's one, I just realize how much cooler snapdragon is compared to tegra, or at least the s600 compared to t3.

Oh one last thing... Is there any way to remove yellow spot on the hox screen?

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well it's the unibody metal heat sink as well, on the sgs4 the same can not be said about coolness

also to remember despite the different process s800. is still 28nm running at an extreme 2.3ghz

oh and by default s600 throttles a lot faster than tegra especially the gpu

but yea the gpu architecture is vastly better and no weird kernel multicore crippling issues either unlike tegra

hamdir · Jul 17, 2013

Finally!! HTC will reverse their One S decision, the S4 version will get the OTA

Good news everyone,HTC will make update for One S (Ville)It will get 4.2.2 and Sense 5.0. No details about VilleC2...

https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/357383184566071296

kokusho · Jul 17, 2013

beno619 said:
All the upcoming tablets, care to list some of these quality tablets ?

Getting in the next Surface RT a tablet nobody wants is no success story. T4 is a fail.

Many of the major OEM have either announced or seems to be working on a 10inch T4 tablet.

HP, Asus, Kalos, Toshiba, Vizio, Acer, Microsoft to name a few.
If that doesn't seems like a lot to you, try to find any annouced or rumored s800 - s600 high end tablet. From what I can tell, on the Android tablet market, Nvidia is dictating the pace.

Other than than, right now, only Intel seems to be able to land some design win in tablets (and may very well be the dominant player in the tablet market)

On the tablet side the real problem for nvidia isn't about market share, they seems to do just fine on high end tablet, the problem is the size of this market. High end android tablet doesn't sells very well, people either goes for a cheaper 7inch devices or an ipad. And because the Tegra 4 is expensive it's hard for the OEM to make a cheaper product with it.

beno619 · Jul 17, 2013

kokusho said:
Many of the major OEM have either announced or seems to be working on a 10inch T4 tablet.

HP, Asus, Kalos, Toshiba, Vizio, Acer, Microsoft to name a few.
If that doesn't seems like a lot to you, try to find any annouced or rumored s800 - s600 high end tablet. From what I can tell, on the Android tablet market, Nvidia is dictating the pace.

Other than than, right now, only Intel seems to be able to land some design win in tablets (and may very well be the dominant player in the tablet market)

On the tablet side the real problem for nvidia isn't about market share, they seems to do just fine on high end tablet, the problem is the size of this market. High end android tablet doesn't sells very well, people either goes for a cheaper 7inch devices or an ipad. And because the Tegra 4 is expensive it's hard for the OEM to make a cheaper product with it.

Well we are now almost 8 months into the year and there is no readily available T4 device.

Sorry but an SOC that is that late and not in any desirable products is a fail. nVidia wont have a competitive SOC for the whole of 2013.

No notable T4 smartphone design wins and the only android tabs people are interested in are sub 10" devices.

joewong1991 · Jul 17, 2013

I love how your all complain about tegra well tegra 3 come out in 2011 and wasn't in a phone the first year and still dominated 2011-2012 now we are in with 2013 socs and u all going mad when I see people posting s600 kills tegra 3 well I should hope so and tegra 3 is still going well for nearly 3 year old soc were are the other socs that come out 3 years ago?

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hamdir · Jul 17, 2013

joewong1991 said:
I love how your all complain about tegra well tegra 3 come out in 2011 and wasn't in a phone the first year and still dominated 2011-2012 now we are in with 2013 socs and u all going mad when I see people posting s600 kills tegra 3 well I should hope so and tegra 3 is still going well for nearly 3 year old soc were are the other socs that come out 3 years ago?

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actually the s600 killed T4...

the hate toward Tegra 3 is due to the struggle we had to go through for it to function properly, for it to run its own THD games properly!

we always knew the CPU is super fine, the problem was the weird counter performance hacks that nvidia implemented in their kernels, simply to squeeze whatever extra battery life they can out of the battery eating beast

like the mind bugling maximum single core locked step, which would always cripple multicore games whenever the CPU ramps to full max speed, like the endless amount of stickies and resets in the kernel and worst of all the needless connection of the GPU to the CPU, whenever the CPU ramps down so did the GPU, crippling the fps and gameplay with it

yes we learned and fixed most issues using alternative governors and kernels but it's puzzling how such a hyped processor can not run its own software out of box because of these unjustified hacks

Ripetide GP does not run well unless you tweak the CPU governor

Shadowgun THD does not run well unless you tweak the CPU and get rid of the single core max step

not to mention many of these games fail to achieve smoothness on the T3 target resolution of 720p due to it's limited memory bandwidth

in contrast the s600 is pure joy, it does everything without a sweat and it does in 1080p native! you don't have to do anything it's just there out of box

we would have enjoyed whatever peak performance T3 gave us if nvidia didn't cripple it with their own hands, heck even temple run was a struggle, instead of enjoying we spend half the time fixing

In terms of CPU however, it's great and proved to be future proof, it runs JB liquid smooth on the One X (unlike the SGS4) and will do even better with the upcoming Sense 5 update

so like you suggest as a CPU, T3 did fullfill it's promise of being future proof and ahead of it's time, in terms of gaming ie: this SOC primary advertised function, it failed miserably without customer modifications

Even the folks at Digital Foundry were puzzled by this exact problem example

On the other hand, there's a real sense that NOVA 3's lofty aspirations to deliver a low-budget Crysis 2 clone to mobile hardware is just a little too much for the Nexus 7 to handle. Performance is truly awful during fire-fights and when there multiple enemies on screen to the point where the game is barely playable, if at all - we're looking at a consistent sub-20FPS, which commonly drops to 15FPS and sometimes even lower in heated encounters.

The effect is very similar to the Call of Duty titles, where small drops in frame-rate can often go by unnoticed - the "perceptual 60FPS" effect. However, achieving this performance level comes at a cost - Riptide GP is running at a sub-native resolution by default. It can be adjusted to native 1280x800 resolution but frame-rate drops down closer to 30FPS as a consequence. Our tests with the Transformer Prime show that the higher-clocked Tegra 3 chip manages to cope slightly better when under load (especially when maximum resolution is enabled) squeezing out a little bit more smoothness when the frame-rate is in flux, although the highs and lows are still very similar.

Riptide GP may not be quite so pretty on the iPad 2, but it's running at 1024x768 at what looks like a locked 60 frames per second. The retina-equipped new iPad seems to run the same game at max res with a very similar performance level to what we see on the TF300 and Nexus 7 - a striking example of just how much Apple has invested in market-leading graphics tech - the 45nm A5X die at 163mm2 occupies around twice the area of the Tegra 3 at 40nm.

Titles like Riptide GP and NOVA 3 suggest that the iPad 2 and its successor have the GPU power to run these games with fewer compromises to overall levels of performance

based on the benchmarks we've seen and the games we've played is that it would still lag some way behind the PowerVR tech in the latest iPads. In the Android arena, the new Snapdragon S4 is already employing next-gen ARM Cortex A15 cores and a really useful Adreno 320 GPU - in theory it should easily move beyond the A5X in terms of power, and blitz the Tegra 3.

hamdir · Jul 17, 2013

Speaking of THD

Sprinkle Islands

Eden to GREEN

hamdir · Jul 17, 2013

and this is related as well, a good take on Ouya

IGN: In Defence of Ouya

This one is very interesting

lots of Ouya coverage here if anyone interested

http://www.youtube.com/user/otakupunk?feature=watch

Shan89 · Jul 17, 2013

T3 cpu actually has the power of the s4pro , at least the benchmark scores show same , for example , n4 gets around 12/15000 points @ cpu while I get the same , our issue is sh1tty gpu and optimisation , as for s600 its a joy to use.

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hamdir · Jul 17, 2013

Shan89 said:
T3 cpu actually has the power of the s4pro , at least the benchmark scores show same , for example , n4 gets around 12/15000 points @ cpu while I get the same , our issue is sh1tty gpu and optimisation , as for s600 its a joy to use.

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yes the s4pro was what you can call a beta version of the krait 300, it had some hardware bugs preventing it from full performance

the s600 however is the quad krait and Adreno 320 unleashed, the CPU is much faster and the GPU is able to achieve the same performance of the s4pro but in 1080p

the GPU on T3 is a combination of problem, while able it's still old as an architecture, the non unified design required a careful balance and hence games made specifically for it, otherwise ports will always suffer, but mostly it was the limited memory bandwidth as well taking a hit on the fillrate but really the biggest problem with T3 was nvidia's own "hacks" in the kernel which were a much bigger problem than the full brute power of the SOC

the s800 is the quad krait and Adreno 3xx design taken to the very max, in my opinion the s800 completely destroys T4 without a sweat

hamdir · Jul 17, 2013

speaking of which, this just came in

iPhone 5S: New leaked photos, purported full specs point to biggest ‘S’ upgrade ever

Where specs are concerned, the upcoming new flagship iPhone will be the biggest hardware upgrade ever for an “S” device if the report’s claims pan out. Highlights include a 4-inch IGZO display with the same Retina resolution as the iPhone 5, an A6 processor clocked a bit faster than the current model, quad-core SGX 554MP4 graphics, 2GB of RAM and an upgraded LTE radio.

Where new hardware is concerned, the report claims Apple’s iPhone 5S will include an upgraded 12-megapixel camera, a dual-LED flash, NFC and a fingerprint scanner. Skeptics dismissed early rumors suggesting a fingerprint scanner would be included in the new iPhone, however numerous subsequent reports including one from Reuters suggest Apple will finally make use of its AuthenTec acquisition in the iPhone 5S.

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That's a big GPU jump, this is the same huge one in the iPad 4 due to die space it's hard to believe they will be able to fit it in quad inside the i5s, i think its most likely a 3 core variation ie: the 554MP3 instead of the 554MP4 on the iPad 4, just like the OCed 543MP3 on the i5 vs the the 543MP4 on the iPad3, the 554MP3 should be able to match the quad version thanks to higher clocks (most likely thanks to 28nm A6 vs 32nm A6x/A6)

The i5s like the iPad4 will achieve 54fps offscreen in Egypt HD and 17fps in TRex offscreen but in reality it will get a huge jump in actual onscreen gaming since it's screen is at 640p, this is 180% jump in Egypt HD from the i5 GPU and 250% jump in Trex, so:

Egypt HD s4pro,46fps (720p)
Egypt HD s600, 59.8fps (720p)
Egypt HD s600, 44fps (1080p)
Egypt HD s800, 68fps (1080p)
Egypt HD Tegra4, 56.9fps+ (720p)
Egypt HD iPhone5, 41fps (640p)
Egypt HD iPhone5s should be 73fps (640p)

Trex HD s4pro, 20.1fps (720p)
Trex HD s600, 26fps (720p)
Trex HD s600, 17fps (1080p)
Trex HD s800, 26fps (1080p)
Trex HD Tegra4, 32.7fps (720p)
Trex HD iPhone5, 13.5fps (640p)
Trex HD iPhone5s should be 33fps (640p)

In terms of GPU the 28nmA6@640p in the i5s will most likely match Tegra4@720p and s800@1080p but it will destroy the Snapdragon 600 gaming on 1080p devices, games will have to scale down from 1080p in order to match their iPhone 5s counterparts on s600 devices

The CPU however will remain the same dual swift cores but at higher clocks, so it will be no match to the s600 and remain far from the s800 / T4

Shan89 · Jul 17, 2013

Sounds powerful but then again it's apple

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joewong1991 · Jul 17, 2013

hamdir said:
actually the s600 killed T4...

the hate toward Tegra 3 is due to the struggle we had to go through for it to function properly, for it to run its own THD games properly!

we always knew the CPU is super fine, the problem was the weird counter performance hacks that nvidia implemented in their kernels, simply to squeeze whatever extra battery life they can out of the battery eating beast

like the mind bugling maximum single core locked step, which would always cripple multicore games whenever the CPU ramps to full max speed, like the endless amount of stickies and resets in the kernel and worst of all the needless connection of the GPU to the CPU, whenever the CPU ramps down so did the GPU, crippling the fps and gameplay with it

yes we learned and fixed most issues using alternative governors and kernels but it's puzzling how such a hyped processor can not run its own software out of box because of these unjustified hacks

Ripetide GP does not run well unless you tweak the CPU governor

Shadowgun THD does not run well unless you tweak the CPU and get rid of the single core max step

not to mention many of these games fail to achieve smoothness on the T3 target resolution of 720p due to it's limited memory bandwidth

in contrast the s600 is pure joy, it does everything without a sweat and it does in 1080p native! you don't have to do anything it's just there out of box

we would have enjoyed whatever peak performance T3 gave us if nvidia didn't cripple it with their own hands, heck even temple run was a struggle, instead of enjoying we spend half the time fixing

In terms of CPU however, it's great and proved to be future proof, it runs JB liquid smooth on the One X (unlike the SGS4) and will do even better with the upcoming Sense 5 update

so like you suggest as a CPU, T3 did fullfill it's promise of being future proof and ahead of it's time, in terms of gaming ie: this SOC primary advertised function, it failed miserably without customer modifications

Even the folks at Digital Foundry were puzzled by this exact problem example

So Qualcomm finally nailed it then after how long? My point was t3 is nearly 3 years old were was the other soc no where yes t3 had many problems but it still dominated everything else and if the s600 kills t4 why are they comparing t4 with the s800

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hamdir · Jul 17, 2013

joewong1991 said:
So Qualcomm finally nailed it then after how long? My point was t3 is nearly 3 years old were was the other soc no where yes t3 had many problems but it still dominated everything else and if the s600 kills t4 why are they comparing t4 with the s800

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s600 kills t4 in mobile phones

t4 is only competitive in large products like the shield and tablets, don't forget it has a fan on shield

beno619 · Jul 17, 2013

joewong1991 said:
So Qualcomm finally nailed it then after how long? My point was t3 is nearly 3 years old were was the other soc no where yes t3 had many problems but it still dominated everything else and if the s600 kills t4 why are they comparing t4 with the s800

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My constantly overheating One X disagrees with your sentiments.

I'm not sure where your getting 3 years from HTC were T3 launch partners AFAIK. So the SOC is about 14 months old.

It did not dominate everything !

It was a cheap SOC that's why Google picked it for the Nexus 7 and MS picked it for Surface RT.

The phone implementation's were also horrible.
T3 shouldn't have been allowed near phones and was one of the reason HTC had such a poor 2012.

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joewong1991 · Jul 17, 2013

beno619 said:
My constantly overheating One X disagrees with your sentiments.

I'm not sure where your getting 3 years from HTC were T3 launch partners AFAIK. So the SOC is about 14 months old.

It did not dominate everything !

It was a cheap SOC that's why Google picked it for the Nexus 7 and MS picked it for Surface RT.

The phone implementation's were also horrible.
T3 shouldn't have been allowed near phones and was one of the reason HTC had such a poor 2012.

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The release of tegra 3 was before the hox the Asus had it months before the hox

I just don't no how you can complain about heat my 60gb ps3 kicks out a lot of heat after heavy use and it has a fan we have a quad core chip in a phone a couple mm thick with everything crammed round it it's bound to get hot you are pretty much touching the chip with your fingers tips and no way of cooling it apart from some flimsy foil

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beno619 · Jul 17, 2013

joewong1991 said:
The release of tegra 3 was before the hox the Asus had it months before the hox

I just don't no how you can complain about heat my 60gb ps3 kicks out a lot of heat after heavy use and it has a fan we have a quad core chip in a phone a couple mm thick with everything crammed round it it's bound to get hot you are pretty much touching the chip with your fingers tips and no way of cooling it apart from some flimsy foil

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Haha well you don't have to hold your PS3 or hood it against your head. The PS4 and 360 also had poor cooling systems to begin with.

I don't mind a bit of heat but its hitting unreasonable temps simply browsing or on tapatalk over 3g.

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