Being an adult I can make that decision for myself.
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No need to be rude mate.
Being an adult I can make that decision for myself.
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What HTC have done is not illegal. You can waiver your rights. Motorola sold a Developer Edition recently, that did not come with any warranty, that was made clear at the time of purchase. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that the "MAY" is a big grey word. But now from HTC you have it clarified.
To quote tkolev,
It's true you can't act surprised if someone tells you something may happen and then it does actually happen, but I would like to think that if something "may" happen, this means there is also a possibility that it "may not ". This doesn't seem to be the case.
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Exactly. And while there are many people who have already unlocked, likely in the expectation that their warranty will be honoured how it used to be, then those people should have their warranty honoured because of the ambiguity. An ambiguity that clearly has never existed.
Motorola looked to sell a developer edition with no warranty, great, but for no warranty the minimum I would expect is s-off and a catalogued driver set.
It sucks but it appears as the OEMs get bolder their using unlocking as a way of limiting their warranty expenses. Not just those limited to customer induced damage. I agree that if “may” was historically applied differently HTC should be clear about introducing a new interpretation.
However you perceive the situation to be.
If you used HTCDev, you agreed that you "may" lose your warranty. HTC have now confirmed that that you will lose it, as per the transcript you posted above.
All ambiguity has been removed. If you used HTCDev, your warranty is gone.
What kind of bs statement is this? HTC cannot change their statement AFTER the fact. In any case in many countries including the UK their disclaimer is NOT worth the paper its written on. This is because a manufacturer or dealer CANNOT disclaim its statutory obligation under consumer law to provide goods free from manufacturing defects and fit for purpose! I for one will be more than happy to teach HTC a lesson in consumer law should the need arise.
In short if you live in the UK the HTC warranty is irrelevant, granted it will enable a speedy repair but after a quick court action that costs £50 (which is recoverable from HTC when they lose) they will be ordered by the court to effect a repair. I cannot wait for someone to do this and shove it down their throat.
Many large companies have quickily found out that in Europe they do what they are told (microsoft, google, apple, etc) HTC is no different.
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I'm not being rude. We are all adults and as such we should take responsibility for our actions. Unfortunately this whole conversation is begining to look like "why didn't they told me I sholdn't dry my cat in the microwave? Arrrrgh I'm so angry, I'll sue them!"
When HTC locked the bootloader in the first place, many of us said "we know why you did that, but we feel we should be given a choice" and HTC listened. Those were the terms of the deal - unlocking the bootloader = voiding the warranty. It's our choice to make. I guess HTC made up that "you may loose your warranty" just to stay within the law. Also apparently they charge you for the restoration of your phone to factory condition not for the repair (if they are still covered by the warranty). Imagine the following situation: max operation temp of the CPU is 90 degrees. Due to the manufacturing process different units have max operational temp of 85 - 95 degrees. So to be safe nVidia made it stop at 80. HTC uses screens that have max operational temp of 75 - 85 degrees depending on the unit. So they cut the max phone temperature at 70. You flash another ROM. It doesn't stop at 70 and you are fine because you got a screen that operates well till 85 degrees and you never go that high because of the hardware failsafe inside the CPU. Then a pixel dies. HTC replaces the screen with a unit that has max temp of 75 (note that this is still within the manufacturing tolerace specified by whoever makes them). Then your custom ROM fries the screen because it operates above its max operational temp. Who is to blame?
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HTC ( hereinafter referred to as "they" ) should define the word "MAY" properly on their website...they should mention what would be covered and what not after the bootloader is unlocked....else, they should clearly mention that you WILL void you warranty after unlocking the bootloader.
They have their own rules, but here they are not being clear on what they say
The time to have questioned the lack of definition was before you clicked the "OK" button. You lose and HTC gains almost all leverage because "may" is not clearly defined. In front of a judge (at least in the U.S.), you can state what you thought “may” should mean but in the absence of definition there wouldn’t be a leg to stand on. Their attorneys didn't choose the language they did accidentally.
the legal principle is ambiguity in a contract benefits the party that did not draft it.
I am pretty much shocked.
1. HTC Dev states CLEARLY a "MAY VOID", not "WILL VOID". This is major.
2. Android stands for customizing and modding. Why do you think most Android phones are successful? Why do you think the Galaxy Nexus is so popular worldwide? Why do you think the Android OS slowly becomes the number one mobile OS in the world? Because you actually can do something with your phone instead of being held in a golden cage where the manufacturer tells you what to do with your effin expensive gadget.
3. HTC should really consider their sights on unlocking and rooting. Most manufacturers do give you the option freely without voiding the whole warranty. I wont just look away because HTC tells me "Too bad bro, thats how we roll!". There are enough other devices from many other good manufacturers (Google, Samsung, Huawei, Sony), where your warranty isnt completely voided if you root your device.
4. It's ridiculous to say "you can overclock your cpu with a rooted and unlocked device". First off, you need a custom kernel for that. Just an unlock and root doesnt count. Most people root to get more out of the system. I actually never overclocked my devices except for my already years old Motorola Milestone. All the other devices were kept at stock speeds. And for Tegra 3 1,5Ghz, I guess its totally not needed anymore to overclock, maybe underclock for better power management and less heat generation.
5. Android is open source, and therefore, we should be able to mod and root it to get the most out of our mobile experience with this amazing OS. Since its open source, Manufacturers shouldn't be able or shouldn't even think about telling us how to use their goddamn phones software wise (if it stays within the same mobile system). If they want otherwise, go develop your own damn mobile OS you can control. Nobody forces you to use Googles software.
6. As already said, this could become difficult for HTC to stand up in court, if it should come this far some day. They shouldn't be able to hide behind the fact of rooting and unlocking when there are obvious manufacturing issues or problems. What do have yellow display spots, broken cameras, faulty wlan modules, cracking cases, rattling vibration motors or screen distortions on pressure for example have to do with an unlocked bootloader or a rooted android system? I can understand the argument about a damaged chipset/cpu due to overclocking, but the rest?
If HTC sticks to that policy, the HTC One X will be the last HTC device for me and go back to Samsung (or maybe I will try out the next Nexus Device). I love my One X and all, but with manufacturer-issues like that and all that legal/illegal **** it got me thinking.
Read what evo1rs has posted. They will repair your faulty screen under warranty but to do so, they will restore your phone to warranty condition (which is a fancy way of saying that you'll have to pay for a new motherboard).
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I'm not being rude. We are all adults and as such we should take responsibility for our actions. Unfortunately this whole conversation is begining to look like "why didn't they told me I sholdn't dry my cat in the microwave? Arrrrgh I'm so angry, I'll sue them!"
When HTC locked the bootloader in the first place, many of us said "we know why you did that, but we feel we should be given a choice" and HTC listened. Those were the terms of the deal - unlocking the bootloader = voiding the warranty. It's our choice to make. I guess HTC made up that "you may loose your warranty" just to stay within the law. Also apparently they charge you for the restoration of your phone to factory condition not for the repair (if they are still covered by the warranty). Imagine the following situation: max operation temp of the CPU is 90 degrees. Due to the manufacturing process different units have max operational temp of 85 - 95 degrees. So to be safe nVidia made it stop at 80. HTC uses screens that have max operational temp of 75 - 85 degrees depending on the unit. So they cut the max phone temperature at 70. You flash another ROM. It doesn't stop at 70 and you are fine because you got a screen that operates well till 85 degrees and you never go that high because of the hardware failsafe inside the CPU. Then a pixel dies. HTC replaces the screen with a unit that has max temp of 75 (note that this is still within the manufacturing tolerace specified by whoever makes them). Then your custom ROM fries the screen because it operates above its max operational temp. Who is to blame?
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I agree, and if the proof the retailer needs to defend in cases of a repair comes from HTC, then whomever unlocked their bootloaders (including me) are out of luck. This is what people need to be aware of when making the decision whether or not to use HTCDev and unlock.
You have a brand new 32" LCD TV, on the back cover a few screws is a sticker that reads "Warranty Void if Removed", you remove the stickers and unscrew & remove the back. You have a look at the innards and replace the back & screws. 3 months later you develop a display issue.
You call the store you purchased it off and arrange an authorised repair. The repair shop takes a look at the screws and the lack of "Warranty Void if Removed" stickers. They refuse a warranty repair.