Why Windows 8 WILL and WONT FAIL.

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Here's why I think windows 8 will fail. Because its:

- Not designed for desktops
- Not enterprise friendly
- A new UI
- Desktop and metro
- Complex

Let me go on about each of my points...

When I say its not designed for desktops I mean it isn't. Let's be honest. Big fat buttons, items too far apart and massive objects. Most OEMs are obviously going to go for the more designed OS if they feel their hardware is not compatible.

It's also not enterprise friendly. You will never see windows 8 running on your work pc because when would you use these metro apps or this metro UI.... Ever?

And plus. It's a new UI - if you put somebody infront of that then they will probably be confused and say "wheres my desktop", look for the icon and never see the metro UI again until the user logs back on to windows, and then they will fly directly into the desktop.

But when you get to the desktop... It's easy right, your old Microsoft Word, click drag and yay if your on a desktop computer. And if your a touch user and your doing stuff you will probably be in the metro UI and then you want to change a word document and "...uh oh... Umm, how do I use this with a touch screen pc? Ahh.. this isn't good...." will happen becauae its not designed for touch input.

Complex... Why? If I sat somebody infront of a windows 8 pc and told them to shut down the computer they would do one of three things...

1. Hit the power button
2. Look around for the shutdown option on the start menu
3. Ask for help

A similar thing would happen if I were to ask them to change the background on the start menu.

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OK, so let's go item by item, shall we? :)

1. "Not designed for desktops". Let's consider for a moment the numerous posts on the Windows 8 Team Blog describing how it's been CAREFULLY designed for desktops. It's clear on that point alone that this item just doesn't have any weight to it. But more importantly, having used it on a desktop and a Macbook Pro, neither of which have touch screens, it's actually really easy to use. So easy, in fact, that I have a great example for later :).

2. "Not Enterprise Friendly". Let's ask ourselves: what does it mean for something to be "Enterprise friendly" ? I've worked in IT for 16 years, from desktop support to Systems Engineer, so I'll tell you. Enterprise Friendly means that the OS supports centralized, granular management by IT staff, is easy to customize in terms of features and security via centralized mechanisms, and has extensive documentation and support from either specialized staff or from the vendor. Windows 8 has ALL of these. It's clearly a VERY Enterprise Friendly operating system. So friendly, in fact, that you can still connect it to an Active Directory server from Windows 2000--an OS that released approximately a dozen years ago. I agree that in the short term, not a lot of businesses will adopt Windows 8, but that's because of the hardware, not the UI. Most OS upgrades happen along with hardware upgrades. Over the next 2 years, corporate adoption will be slow, but small businesses will adopt it both for the "ooh, shiny" factor and for the fact that many can't afford not to. Over the following 3-5, corporate adoption will skyrocket. The home PC market will take care of most of the "average worker" learning curve. They'll master the software at home, end of story.

3. "A New UI." This is probably Windows 8's greatest weakness AND its greatest strength. The new UI will intimidate SOME people--but not most people. It's so simple, so elegant, so easy to use, that the vast majority of people will easily understand how to use it. It's the power users and the hangers-on to old tech who will struggle, and they'll have mostly made it difficult for themselves.

Let me give you an example of why it's a good thing, though. I have a friend who's a graphic designer, and has been for about 30 years. He's in his early 50's, and has used Macs for most of his career, but a Windows 7 PC since 2 years ago. A couple of weeks ago, his PC died, and I cobbled together a temporary replacement to hold him over until I can get his motherboard, which died, RMA'd. For the sake of curiosity, I asked if he'd want to try Windows 8 since this was a temporary PC anyway, and he said with a shrug, "why not?" So I configured the system (an old Pentium D 915, 2GB RAM, 320GB 7200RPM hard drive, vs his Core 2 Quad, 8GB RAM, 64GB SSD with 1TB HDD) and installed his programs, gave him a very brief (literally, 10 minutes) tour of Windows 8, and sent him home.

The next day he called me. "Hey, about Windows 8." I got a little nervous as he said that. "Yes? Any problems?" I asked. "No," he replied, "It's ****ing brilliant. What the hell are the specs on this machine, because it's way faster than mine is!" I grinned. "Actually, that's a really old machine, not anywhere close to as fast as yours. How about the UI, any trouble there?" "Hell no," he said, "It's easy. Easiest UI I've ever used. Microsoft finally nailed it." That's from a guy who is 2 things: A graphic designer, and a MAC guy. Seriously.

4. "Desktop and Metro": See above. Microsoft made the right choice. There will be a learning curve, that's an unavoidable fact. But it's not a steep one, in part thanks to training people have already gone through on their *smartphones*, their *ipads*, *ipods*, and to a lesser extent, Android tablets. Touch has already become part of the dialog we have with our computers.

5. "Complex". Are we talking about the same OS? Windows 8 is butt-ass simple. I could choose many, many words to describe Windows 8--not ONE of them is "complex". Are things moved around? Sure. Do some things work differently than in the past? Absolutely. Will people who've been trained and practiced on older versions, and learned to use deep features in those versions, find some frustration? Without a doubt. The average user? They'll be just fine.

On the last point about power, I just called my friend mentioned above to ask, "Hey, have you had any trouble figuring out how to turn off the power on your PC?" His reply? "I don't even mess with it, man, I just walk away and it goes to sleep."

People will adapt just fine. They adapted to Windows 95. They adapted to iPods/iPads/iPhones/Android phones. They'll adopt to this, too. don't be such a worry-wart :)
 
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jasongw said:
OK, so let's go item by item, shall we? :)
.......People will adapt just fine. They adapted to Windows 95. They adapted to iPods/iPads/iPhones/Android phones. They'll adopt to this, too. don't be such a worry-wart :)
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What he said is spot on!

Dont get me wrong, Win8 isn't perfect yet, a big issue for me is how multi monitor support is implemented, but the roots are there and once I got over that learning curve its been great.

im typing this on desktop just now, and in the time its taken you to read that last sentence, ive (in metro) checked over 3 different email accounts , updated 2 apps, checked the weather for the weekend, put some music on and fired up excel. Metro is hugely efficient when you set it up the way you want it you just need to learn how it works
 
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I think it won't fail.

It is just a matter of getting used to it.

The desktop is an old concept that microsoft tries to change.
 
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I don't think it'll fail, but Metro will fail on desktop machines.

I'm sure there will be lots of people loving it - but lets be honest, they can't honestly expect people to use metro apps on a desktop computer with only 1 and a third app displayed at once cause that's like a 30 years-worth step back. But Metro is not everything there is to Windows 8 - and the rest is pretty great.

For tablets though, the best option available.
 
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i think win8 is a very interesting and innovative os, and for sure it'll be better and better but microsoft should give us a way to change between metro and deskop window style.

anyway, i love metro style on my phone, so i cant wait for final version of win8.
 
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There is way to change it though. Just download a third party application, and your free of metro.

TEAM PERFECTION...
THE PERFECTIONISTS...
 
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Thank god for downloadable apps that can leave you trapped in the past. Hooray for celebrating a refusal to learn, grow, adapt and move forward. Who needs to evolve? It's not like anything in the world changes, after all.

/sarcasm

alphadog32 said:
There is way to change it though. Just download a third party application, and your free of metro.

TEAM PERFECTION...
THE PERFECTIONISTS...
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You can't. You just have to educate those who understand that Life IS Change, and let the rest of them die off. The species is better off that way.

dazza9075 said:
:rolleyes:

wonders how one can educate the few unwilling to learn....
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Not true

Windows 8 got alot done under the hood, if you are the average person you would get used to press windows + I to reboot, shutdown or access settings. I would say Win 8 is even better than win 7, at least on my middle spec laptop
 
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We Cant Just Stick With A 15 Year UI

We Must Change

If You Tried The New Metro UI , I Know That You Will Fell Engrossed

But If You Use It For About A Month You Will Love It

Why ?!

Becuase You Know How To Use It , Thats Why

BTW If You Want To ShutDown JusT Simply Press Alt+F4 :D
 
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Well Guy's

We Cant Just Stick With A 15 Year UI

We Must Change

If You Tried The New Metro UI , I Know That You Will Fell Engrossed

But If You Use It For About A Month You Will Love It

Why ?!

Becuase You Know How To Use It , Thats Why

BTW If You Want To ShutDown JusT Simply Press Alt+F4 :D
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The Windows 7 UI is not 15 years old. Similar != Same. It doesn't suprise me that someone who would say that is fine with a Metro desktop, though
 
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Only 1 word : PERFORMANCE

The bootup speed is well.amazing 6s for boot WOW!
Performance well BF3 before < 20FPS now > 50FPS
UI great i got used to it in about 1min
 
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The Windows 7 UI is not 15 years old. Similar != Same. It doesn't suprise me that someone who would say that is fine with a Metro desktop, though
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yes it is, it might have a new coat of paint on it every now and then but essentially Win 7 has used the same UI since Win 95

Look, you clearly don't want to listen and you seem to have a warped sense of reality...

Win95 - Win7 UI

Desktop, Icons, taskbar, start menu, tool bars. = function and purpose the same (bar fancy looks)

Widgets are not I suppose as they are apart of Aero, however that level of development wasn't available 15 years ago, but I could make an HTML program to do the same thing and have that set as my desktop on 9x desktops, so function could be the same, bar looks.
 
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    jasongw
    OK, so let's go item by item, shall we? :)

    1. "Not designed for desktops". Let's consider for a moment the numerous posts on the Windows 8 Team Blog describing how it's been CAREFULLY designed for desktops. It's clear on that point alone that this item just doesn't have any weight to it. But more importantly, having used it on a desktop and a Macbook Pro, neither of which have touch screens, it's actually really easy to use. So easy, in fact, that I have a great example for later :).

    2. "Not Enterprise Friendly". Let's ask ourselves: what does it mean for something to be "Enterprise friendly" ? I've worked in IT for 16 years, from desktop support to Systems Engineer, so I'll tell you. Enterprise Friendly means that the OS supports centralized, granular management by IT staff, is easy to customize in terms of features and security via centralized mechanisms, and has extensive documentation and support from either specialized staff or from the vendor. Windows 8 has ALL of these. It's clearly a VERY Enterprise Friendly operating system. So friendly, in fact, that you can still connect it to an Active Directory server from Windows 2000--an OS that released approximately a dozen years ago. I agree that in the short term, not a lot of businesses will adopt Windows 8, but that's because of the hardware, not the UI. Most OS upgrades happen along with hardware upgrades. Over the next 2 years, corporate adoption will be slow, but small businesses will adopt it both for the "ooh, shiny" factor and for the fact that many can't afford not to. Over the following 3-5, corporate adoption will skyrocket. The home PC market will take care of most of the "average worker" learning curve. They'll master the software at home, end of story.

    3. "A New UI." This is probably Windows 8's greatest weakness AND its greatest strength. The new UI will intimidate SOME people--but not most people. It's so simple, so elegant, so easy to use, that the vast majority of people will easily understand how to use it. It's the power users and the hangers-on to old tech who will struggle, and they'll have mostly made it difficult for themselves.

    Let me give you an example of why it's a good thing, though. I have a friend who's a graphic designer, and has been for about 30 years. He's in his early 50's, and has used Macs for most of his career, but a Windows 7 PC since 2 years ago. A couple of weeks ago, his PC died, and I cobbled together a temporary replacement to hold him over until I can get his motherboard, which died, RMA'd. For the sake of curiosity, I asked if he'd want to try Windows 8 since this was a temporary PC anyway, and he said with a shrug, "why not?" So I configured the system (an old Pentium D 915, 2GB RAM, 320GB 7200RPM hard drive, vs his Core 2 Quad, 8GB RAM, 64GB SSD with 1TB HDD) and installed his programs, gave him a very brief (literally, 10 minutes) tour of Windows 8, and sent him home.

    The next day he called me. "Hey, about Windows 8." I got a little nervous as he said that. "Yes? Any problems?" I asked. "No," he replied, "It's ****ing brilliant. What the hell are the specs on this machine, because it's way faster than mine is!" I grinned. "Actually, that's a really old machine, not anywhere close to as fast as yours. How about the UI, any trouble there?" "Hell no," he said, "It's easy. Easiest UI I've ever used. Microsoft finally nailed it." That's from a guy who is 2 things: A graphic designer, and a MAC guy. Seriously.

    4. "Desktop and Metro": See above. Microsoft made the right choice. There will be a learning curve, that's an unavoidable fact. But it's not a steep one, in part thanks to training people have already gone through on their *smartphones*, their *ipads*, *ipods*, and to a lesser extent, Android tablets. Touch has already become part of the dialog we have with our computers.

    5. "Complex". Are we talking about the same OS? Windows 8 is butt-ass simple. I could choose many, many words to describe Windows 8--not ONE of them is "complex". Are things moved around? Sure. Do some things work differently than in the past? Absolutely. Will people who've been trained and practiced on older versions, and learned to use deep features in those versions, find some frustration? Without a doubt. The average user? They'll be just fine.

    On the last point about power, I just called my friend mentioned above to ask, "Hey, have you had any trouble figuring out how to turn off the power on your PC?" His reply? "I don't even mess with it, man, I just walk away and it goes to sleep."

    People will adapt just fine. They adapted to Windows 95. They adapted to iPods/iPads/iPhones/Android phones. They'll adopt to this, too. don't be such a worry-wart :)
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    ttouch said:
    win generally, is the biggest and easiest target of a hacker (or even script kiddie)!
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    Actually that hasn't been true for a very long time.

    All major platforms have many security holes. Windows has proven itself very secure by virtue of the fact that microsoft has been very responsive towards ongoing threats. The changes to windows vista brought about dramatic security enhancements of the underlying OS.

    In fact most windows malware aren't vectored into the underlying OS itself, but rather vulnerable third party software such as java, flash, acrobat, etc. Whats interesting is that the design of the OS itself mitigates most of these vulnerabilities, so microsoft is even compensating for the mistakes of other companies.

    Windows and Linux are roughly on par with one another in terms of security these days.

    However windows has an advantage that other platforms do not: Antivirus software on the windows platform has a heuristics detection rate of 90% of undocumented threats. That is a rate most in the computer security field hadn't anticipated a few years ago. It is so high, that malware authors have begun to target something that is statistically "bigger and easier" to hit: Mac OSX.

    Although OSX has a very tiny market share, the chances of a successful attack against mac users is high enough that it is a more attractive target than windows these days. Not only that, but apple is VERY SLOW when it comes to responding to malware threats. The last one took them two months to respond to. That is an eternity in the security field. In addition to that, most Mac OSX users tend to live under the belief that macs don't get hit by viruses (primarily because apple tells them this,) and likewise they don't protect themselves accordingly. Needless to say, this makes them very attractive targets for the criminal underground.

    If you don't believe me though, then don't take my word for it. Just look at the results of the pwn2own contest year after year.
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    KillerBunnys122 said:
    Sorry but no. Apple can take their expensively useless products and bury them with their founder. ;)
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    Too soon.

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    perern
    Not true

    Windows 8 got alot done under the hood, if you are the average person you would get used to press windows + I to reboot, shutdown or access settings. I would say Win 8 is even better than win 7, at least on my middle spec laptop
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    Paglioni said:
    IT's not PROGRESS... it's trying to FORCE someone to do something differently when he did it for 30 years and is happy and confortable with that. If isn't broken, you don't need to fix it. You can give them the OPTION to switch.. not FORCE them to switch.
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    Oh... that's nice. You might as well ride a horse instead of a car. Guess what, it worked for thousand years. At one point switching from horseback to steam powered carriage was only for the brave, but that was PROGRESS.

    And who holds a gun to your head forcing you to use windows 8? Do the things you do the way you do them and leave the rest to people with imagination.

    Paglioni said:
    And guy, really, don't try to sell me the idea that a tablet with a 22'', a keyboard, a mouse, a DVD reader, a charger, all connected with cables (or everythink connected to his own charger and BT to the tablet), is a amazing thing to work with. It's plain stupid. Why would i switch a faster and cheaper PC to a Tablet, to use it as a PC? Is the same thing as using MiniMac's installing only WINDOWS in them.. it's stupid, it's a waste of money, it's slow, but hey... it's good looking...
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    Why 22" tablet? Why not go all the way to 60"? If you could actually read what I was saying, you will see that I never suggested to replace your 22" monitor with a tablet. I personally think that smaller touchscreen (doesn't even need to be a separate tablet) can be a great addition if there is a good integration with desktop OS. Android and IOS can't provide this at the moment. Windows 8 can and hopefully with time there will be more innovative ways of using it.

    And guy, I'm not selling you anything! But if you want to know, you won't find much wires at my place.
    Keyboard is wireless and gets charged very rarely. Mouse is wireless and battery is replaced once a year or so. Printer is wireless. Sure it is connected to power source, but it is hidden. If I need to print something from my android tablet, I can. I also have bluetooth adapter for audio, so I can use the speakers from any device that I have without touching any cables.
    I have three monitors on my desk connected to a full tower rig. You won't find that tower though, because it is in another room, behind a wall. Why? Because I like quiet! Instead of spending hundreds on sophisticated quiet cooling, I just moved my PC from my workplace. All I have are some hidden USB extension cables that I occasionally use.
    My both big screen TVs are 0.3" away from the wall. Wires are hidden as well. Connecting additional HDMI source is possible, but inconvenient. I didn't try to make it convenient, because I don't need it.
    My point here is that with all the wireless technology that we have, you will be able to, in a blink of an eye, connect your tablet to a keyboard, mouse, printer and big screen without touching a single wire and turn your tablet into a desktop. If you need power, it is a lot more accessible, than other components. And again, if you don't need it, if you don't want it, then stay away from it. I personally don't plan to replace my desktop PC any time soon, but I sure would love to have a 7" touchscreen for metro, next to my keyboard.

    ohgood said:
    I was hoping you would address the point I made about having to plug in a tablet while watching a HD movie. yes, it may play one movie , over dlna, but the battery will expire shortly after, if not during and be non mobile after words.
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    Not that long time ago we had laptops that can only go 2 hours while simply working in word document. Now we have smaller, lighter and faster devices that can go 18 hours without charge (how about asus transformer).

    ohgood said:
    keyboards are still more efficient. stop, pause, play, minimize, refresh, change apications, all from a memorized pattern instead of :unlock, swipe, look, swipe, press control, etc swipe
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    We are still talking about controlling big screen tv with your tablet, right? How about this. You go to a hotel room, touch TV remote with your tablet to connect via NFC. You browse netflix movie selection on your tablet. No need to look on big screen and interface is actually faster to use with touch, rather than keyboard and mouse. Then start what you want and enjoy the show on big screen tv via WiDi. You can then pause, play, stop whatever you're watching with tv remote control. You might as well put tablet aside or charge it.
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