[CLOSED][OT] The one and only S Advance Off-Topic Thread

mkaluza · May 23, 2015

Ok, I've looked into ArchiDroid (he's actually from PL

). I've checked (briefly) those -O flags, but most interesting was the github article about optimizing kernel compile

The guy managed to get 0.05% decrease in execution time ;D extraordinary

But the read was good because he provided a full analysis that this improvement exist and it's not just measurement error

But in the meantime I've found some docs http://source.android.com/devices/tech/debug/tuning.html and http://source.android.com/devices/tech/ram/low-ram.html. While the latter is already implemented in my kernel, I've made a set of options for hwui:

Code:

root@janice:/ # cat /data/local.prop
ro.hwui.texture_cache_size=8
ro.hwui.layer_cache_size=6
ro.hwui.gradient_cache_size=0.2
ro.hwui.path_cache_size=2
ro.hwui.r_buffer_cache_size=1
ro.hwui.drop_shadow_cache_size=1

Defaults given in the docs were for screen 1280x800, which is 2.5x bigger than ours, so I've recalculated those. Now I'm just using the phone to see how it turns out

I'll also dive into source code and see how android uses cgroups - maybe then I'll figure something out about swap.

didije · May 24, 2015

jineshpatel30 said:
1. WP are lag free

my friend has WP (mid-range) , when ever i starts any game in this phone it stars with lot of lag ! so whenever any WP(or iPhone) user says that they have most fluid rom ... i say ( at-least in mind ) are you F**king kidding at me ?? both of them don't have home & launcher as different app..what they have (launcher or whatever they call it ) always runs in ram as unkillable so it's definite that it'll run smoother...if you want to try use 3rd party launcher in iPhone and then load heavy app and go to home and feel The Lag !! ( don't know about WP bcz i haven't seen any 3rd party launcher in it yet )

I'm too old for gaming

To be honest, the only game I have ever played on a smartphone is sudoku

Regarding launcher, there is no need for the alternative one. the default one on WP works flawlessly and smoothly like no other launcher on entire playstore (even on a low-end devices). And, honestly, I always set my android launcher to be kept in memory because that is the only way to eliminate redraws.

jineshpatel30 said:
90% of android users don't use Pure android..they use lot modified version of Android by OEM and they always cries that Android is laggy !!
i personally have android one ( ~100$ device) ( 99.99% pure android ) and Nexus 5 ( 100% pure ) and i'm proud to say that when anyone say Android is laggy i laugh at them ! bcz i hv never seen a single glitch or lag on any of both devices. i used them for months and more interestingly more than a month without single reboot ( and i'm not talking about random reboot ) so memory management is that much great in them.

My experience is different. I've been using many android devices, and do you know why each and every one of them had custom recovery flashed? So that I could backup my device. Why? Because I had to restore my device every once in a while, sometimes after a week, sometimes after a month etc. Why? Because over time android just slows down, loses its fluidness, smoothness and the overall experience is just annoying since you know that it can run without those issues, and the only way to deal with this is to do a factory reset or to restore your backup. This is my experience on a low, mid and high-end android devices. Haven't played a lot with lollipop though.. And regarding WP, the overall experience was the same after 6 months as it was on the day one.
@mkaluza, man, you must be old too

Paul L. · May 24, 2015

mkaluza said:
It should. And about /preload... whose idea was it to format it "just because" upon system flash?! man I was pissed when after flashing some rom I found my lvm trashed;P That was a really bad idea... ;P The good thing is I had only /cache on LVM then...

Because...I don't know, that's not a decision I made; thing was that /preload was used for...just, nothing? The other ideas were expand /system with space from preload (because we were getting near to using all space available in /system), but I think we all felt that we had to use /preload for _something_ other than some useless files.

(and then we ended up making it again ext4, because of the problems for stock users)

~~So, for reading about ArchiDroid stuff (is basically changing the compiler flags from android_build), http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2754997~~

(EDIT: I just noticed that you already read about archidroid stuff)

I don't use them actually, but, I know that his claims of -Os for the majority of the system being a waste are true.

(anyone brave enough to thinker with -Ofast? lol)

By the way, our kernel (actually the Mali driver) does not support CONFIG_ION=y right?

jineshpatel30 · May 24, 2015

didije said:
I'm too old for gaming To be honest, the only game I have ever played on a smartphone is sudoku Regarding launcher, there is no need for the alternative one. the default one on WP works flawlessly and smoothly like no other launcher on entire playstore (even on a low-end devices). And, honestly, I always set my android launcher to be kept in memory because that is the only way to eliminate redraws.

I've been using many android devices

Did any of them was Nexus or Android One ?? ( basically pure android ) if answer is No then there is nothing more to say

Bcz OEM devices are not pure android and they always lacks a lot in performance.

Actually IMO Google needs to force OEM to print "Based on AOSP 5.x.x " instead of "Android 5.x.x" in device>version.

And about launcher redraw.. i didn't get any single redraw on Default Google Now launcher.

Also if you are using phone without gaming then even 100$ AndroidOne will work as fluid as 1st day even after 1 yr. And that's why no android phone come with recovery that has backup option by default.

Finally if i were you i never buy high-end phone bcz if i'm not gonna use it's all resources then why should i give more money

(till today only thing that use most of resources of smartphone are games ,may be in near future we'll see other heavy softwares on Smartphone ( like pro-E , AutoCAD)
Or atleast i wish to see them )

Anyway everyone has own different choice n like

jadega · May 24, 2015

jineshpatel30 said:
@didije @Force

well i was reading your WP n Android discussion.

and i don't agree with 1st pro of didije "truly lag free experience"

let me give 2 aspects of this..

1. WP are lag free

my friend has WP (mid-range) , when ever i starts any game in this phone it stars with lot of lag ! so whenever any WP(or iPhone) user says that they have most fluid rom ... i say ( at-least in mind ) are you F**king kidding at me ?? both of them don't have home & launcher as different app..what they have (launcher or whatever they call it ) always runs in ram as unkillable so it's definite that it'll run smoother...if you want to try use 3rd party launcher in iPhone and then load heavy app and go to home and feel The Lag !! ( don't know about WP bcz i haven't seen any 3rd party launcher in it yet )

2. (this can be interpreted from that sentence) Android is not that much smooth

90% of android users don't use Pure android..they use lot modified version of Android by OEM and they always cries that Android is laggy !!
i personally have android one ( ~100$ device) ( 99.99% pure android ) and Nexus 5 ( 100% pure ) and i'm proud to say that when anyone say Android is laggy i laugh at them ! bcz i hv never seen a single glitch or lag on any of both devices. i used them for months and more interestingly more than a month without single reboot ( and i'm not talking about random reboot ) so memory management is that much great in them.

the only lack of Android one is that you can't run heavy games on it & it's not meant for that bcz simply it's hardware is not up-to that mark and no one will give you that much in this price range

i don't know what/how much OEM modifies to make device crappy but it's certainly not right to blame Android for others' crap. ( and you know what even Moto phones looks like same as Nexus in software it also has tons of different things than AOSP code {as per post from senior dev in Xposed module thread }

I may sound like Android Fan boy ( because i'm :silly: ) but things i said are what i hv experienced so they are cent percent true as per my knowledge & experience so i always force everyone to go for pure android

but the problem is most of people prefer what is visually appealing ( like Ram , SD-card support , camera megapixel etc....etc ) over total overall experience and so they finally choose OEMs

I strongly agree with @jineshpatel30, WP have a fluid UI but when it comes to gaming or running a heavy app the phone starts lagging moreover WP's have a limited apps and gamea whereas in Anroid we have a whole new world of apk's and custom roms
Overall Android is far far ahead from WP

dagger · May 24, 2015

Anybody among you planning on buying yuphoria? @jineshpatel30 @jadega

didije · May 24, 2015

jineshpatel30 said:
Did any of them was Nexus or Android One ?? ( basically pure android ) if answer is No then there is nothing more to say
Bcz OEM devices are not pure android and they always lacks a lot in performance.

Actually IMO Google needs to force OEM to print "Based on AOSP 5.x.x " instead of "Android 5.x.x" in device>version.

And about launcher redraw.. i didn't get any single redraw on Default Google Now launcher.

Also if you are using phone without gaming then even 100$ AndroidOne will work as fluid as 1st day even after 1 yr. And that's why no android phone come with recovery that has backup option by default.

Finally if i were you i never buy high-end phone bcz if i'm not gonna use it's all resources then why should i give more money (till today only thing that use most of resources of smartphone are games ,may be in near future we'll see other heavy softwares on Smartphone ( like pro-E , AutoCAD)
Or atleast i wish to see them )

Anyway everyone has own different choice n like

If you don't count CM and its variations, not so many. Most of the "pure" ones were low to mid range phones. But I did use HTC One Google Play Edition. That counts as a pure android

And it was a terrible experience. Regarding buying a high-end phone, I agree. Also, I am searching for a smaller phone (display around 3.7"). I don't see a point in using a phone that cannot fit into a pocket

I mean, come on, a "phone" with a 5.5-6.0" display? And people carry those bricks everywhere. I'm an old-fashioned kind of guy. I will never carry a purse (yes, more and more men are carrying man purses) I need a phone to be a phone, for everything else I use a tablet (there are so many decent and cheap tablets out there).

P.S. There are some AutoCAD apps on playstore

P.P.S. I really hate this phone. Check the screenshots, new 1700mAh battery with just WiFi on (stock, heavily debloated rom)

jadega · May 24, 2015

dagger said:
Anybody among you planning on buying yuphoria? @jineshpatel30 @jadega

Dude I already have a YUREKA which is far better than YUPHORIA and with Snapdragon 615 and 13MP camera YUREKA purely dominates YUPHORIA

jineshpatel30 · May 24, 2015

didije said:
If you don't count CM and its variations, not so many. Most of the "pure" ones were low to mid range phones. But I did use HTC One Google Play Edition. That counts as a pure android And it was a terrible experience.

Don't know what was wrong with it for you but it shouldn't be like that

GPE should be atleast Good experience. personally i never had chance to use any of GPE bcz it wasn't available in India

Regarding buying a high-end phone, I agree. Also, I am searching for a smaller phone (display around 3.7"). I don't see a point in using a phone that cannot fit into a pocket I mean, come on, a "phone" with a 5.5-6.0" display? And people carry those bricks everywhere. I'm an old-fashioned kind of guy. I will never carry a purse (yes, more and more men are carrying man purses) I need a phone to be a phone, for everything else I use a tablet (there are so many decent and cheap tablets out there).

indeed you are old fashion , and i mean not in fashion or style way but i like your calmness...i had almost same discussion with my age dude some time ago and he had gone so mad with my points that i have to quit it

P.S. There are some AutoCAD apps on playstore

yah but it's still like online service & editing & support type and also very much costly for long run. so i'm looking for standalone versions like PC

P.P.S. I really hate this phone. Check the screenshots, new 1700mAh battery with just WiFi on (stock, heavily debloated rom)

i hate it more

:silly:

dagger · May 24, 2015

jadega said:
Dude I already have a YUREKA which is far better than YUPHORIA and with Snapdragon 615 and 13MP camera YUREKA purely dominates YUPHORIA

Yureka is better but i hate its design and display.

Also is it really a heater ?(as many people love to call it)

jineshpatel30 · May 24, 2015

dagger said:
Anybody among you planning on buying yuphoria? @jineshpatel30 @jadega

No way yaar (buddy)

I have very strong trust issues with both of Micromax & Cynogen. ( btw i like CM

)

for Micromax i'm damn sure they always produce crap...bcz after 6-8 ,month of use Micromax products shows it's true color

in theory they use same Snapdragon n all but in reality i never saw them last more than a year without issues..

so simply i don't trust their quality...

and about Cynogen...

well in past couple of months whenever CEO of Cynogen gave statements i always wanted to punch him on face.

some examples..

we want to snitch android from google ( are you F**king kidding at me ?!!)

we gave best ROM to Android user ( heh ? i have never seen completely bug less CM rom (not even in Oneplus One)...they are always at max 99% )

we will remove GMS & IAP from android and provide own services ( so that you can earn money that intended for Google ?)

and so on

( sentence may differ from what he said bcz i don't remember them but meanings are same )

And you are suggesting to mix these 2 worst things in single phone...so i'll rather prefer to stay without smartphone

didije · May 24, 2015

Respect others and others will respect you :good:

Any suggestions for a decent device with a screen size around 3.7"? 3.5" would be the best, but the only ones I know with a decent ppi density are iPhones 4 and 4s and they are a no-go for me. I am thinking of buying a Lumia 620 again, but I would like to buy and try something different. So, please, if you know a decent device (it will be used for calls, messages, whatsapp, emails, occasional photos and browsing the web) with a screen size 3.5-3.7", do share.

Regards

Edit: I have never seen a bugless CM either

jineshpatel30 · May 24, 2015

didije said:
Respect others and others will respect you :good:

Any suggestions for a decent device with a screen size around 3.7"? 3.5" would be the best, but the only ones I know with a decent ppi density are iPhones 4 and 4s and they are a no-go for me. I am thinking of buying a Lumia 620 again, but I would like to buy and try something different. So, please, if you know a decent device (it will be used for calls, messages, whatsapp, emails, occasional photos and browsing the web) with a screen size 3.5-3.7", do share.

Regards

Amm this is very tough to find :cyclops:

anyway as per your requirements and you already like WP ..i think Lumia 600 series is the best option for you

but do some comparison with 620 , 635 & 640 and other as well bcz 620 is bit older now and even though Microsoft hinted that they will update all windows 8 to windows 10 i still have doubt atleast in WP bcz they didn't gave windows 8 update to many windows 7 phones..

so it's better to get 8.1 WP

In android it's impossible to get decent phone with screen size less than 4" due to more screen size demand from customer.

so if you are Ok with 4.5" i'll strongly recommend you to go for Moto G2 ( Moto G 2014 ) { though it's also not pure android but still better than other OEMs)

it's in same price range and it's more than sufficent for your use !

i recommended it to 3 of my friends and they are extremely happy with it

Edit: I have never seen a bugless CM either

LOL

dagger · May 24, 2015

jineshpatel30 said:
No way yaar (buddy)

I have very strong trust issues with both of Micromax & Cynogen. ( btw i like CM )

Same here.
But I am really looking for a replacement for janice and am totally confused about which device to buy.
I was thinking about going with the Mi4i but the 16gigs storage is a point of concern for me.

jineshpatel30 · May 24, 2015

dagger said:
Same here.
But I am really looking for a replacement for janice and am totally confused about which device to buy.
I was thinking about going with the Mi4i but the 16gigs storage is a point of concern for me.

copy past from above post

so if you are Ok with 4.5" i'll strongly recommend you to go for Moto G2 ( Moto G 2014 ) { though it's also not pure android but still better than other OEMs)

it's in same price range and it's more than sufficent for your use !

i recommended it to 3 of my friends and they are extremely happy with it

here by better i mean it's really really better than phones in that range

you can surely find 2Gb ram & better CPU than Moto G2 in same price but in overall performance nothing will beat it.

so if you are not hardcore gamer, you can Go for it if you want to replace janice ASAP. if you like to fling games like me then you don't have to worry with bcz Moto G2 can run even asphalt 8 pretty smoothly with medium graphics

and if you really wants 2Gb ram & higher CPU then you should wait for 2-3 month bcz Moto G3 is comming

( if you r thinking to stay with phone more than 2 years then i suggest to wait for it )

dagger · May 24, 2015

I guess that I'll wait for Moto G3 then.
Lets hope that its not overpriced.:fingers-crossed:

jineshpatel30 · May 24, 2015

dagger said:
I guess that I'll wait for Moto G3 then.
Lets hope that its not overpriced.:fingers-crossed:

it'll be in between 200-250$ as per my guess and info i saw

btw where are you from ?

and also how to add click to show content box ? ( actually many times i wants to use it , but i couldn't find option till now

)

dagger · May 24, 2015

jineshpatel30 said:
it'll be in between 200-250$ as per my guess and info i saw

btw where are you from ?

and also how to add click to show content box ? ( actually many times i wants to use it , but i couldn't find option till now )

I'm from New Delhi.
And that click to show can be done by clicking on the "hide" button in the top right corner of the reply menu.

jadega · May 24, 2015

dagger said:
Yureka is better but i hate its design and display.
Also is it really a heater ?(as many people love to call it)

Yes!
Its design is not that attractive but its hardware and performance is awesome almost all apps and games run fine

Moreover Snapdragon 615 with cyanogen os makes it a beast!
Normally It gives me around 35K every time in Antutu and on Custom roms it gives around 42K

Coming to the heating issue :
It is because of Snapdragon 615, Mi4i, HTC 820 users are also facing this issue but this problem is not big for me and the phone occasionally heats when any Heavy Game is running but otherwise it is cool

And I'am Happy with it

---------- Post added at 05:36 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:28 PM ----------

jineshpatel30 said:
No way yaar (buddy)

I have very strong trust issues with both of Micromax & Cynogen. ( btw i like CM )

for Micromax i'm damn sure they always produce crap...bcz after 6-8 ,month of use Micromax products shows it's true color

in theory they use same Snapdragon n all but in reality i never saw them last more than a year without issues..

so simply i don't trust their quality...

and about Cynogen...

well in past couple of months whenever CEO of Cynogen gave statements i always wanted to punch him on face.

some examples..

we want to snitch android from google ( are you F**king kidding at me ?!!)

we gave best ROM to Android user ( heh ? i have never seen completely bug less CM rom (not even in Oneplus One)...they are always at max 99% )

we will remove GMS & IAP from android and provide own services ( so that you can earn money that intended for Google ?)

and so on

( sentence may differ from what he said bcz i don't remember them but meanings are same )

And you are suggesting to mix these 2 worst things in single phone...so i'll rather prefer to stay without smartphone

Sorry bro! But I don't agree with you
Micromax and Cyanogen has come up drastically, challenging others by providing quality products and a reasonable price!
My Yureka gets regular updates(Monthly) I'am currently on CO 12 with not even a single glitch

Micromax + Cyanogen + Snapdragon = YU
AND
YU = Awesome

jineshpatel30 · May 24, 2015

Don't worry yar...you don't need to agree with me every timr

Anyway use that combo for more than a year and if you can pass 1yr without a problem plz quote me then only i'll change my mind about them

Don't get me as stubborn but i also want to trust Indian brand but no one around me gave me positive review about it after 1 year..

May be you'll be the One

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