[NIGHTLIES] CyanogenMod 9 Discussion Thread

virgopunk · May 18, 2012

eug3n91 said:
The only thing might be that I'm using Nova Launcher, I never used Trebuchet...

I don't use Trebuchet either (use Apex) but did wonder if it was possibly a launcher issue but that sounds to simple.

I remember reading a very informative and somewhat technical thread elsewhere on XDA about SODs (I'll try and find it again). It's all about the CPU sleeping and not being able to be woken up and what causes this IIRC. I also have a memory that it was to do with CPU governors and frequencies (but I could be wrong here). I also think that the modem may have something to do with in terms of kernal wakelocks etc but again this is just me stabbing in the dark really.

So I've changed my governor to Performance. I was wondering whether to limit CPU to 500Mhz but wanted to get some advice before I did that since it's just the actions of a desperate man.

eug3n91 · May 18, 2012

sotiris20 said:
+1

I'm not using Nova launcher and had no SOD's.
Using cm9 till the day nightlies came out and had no problem at all till now!

Sent from my GT-N7000 using Tapatalk 2

So you're using Trebuchet and you're still safe? Hm...interesting

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virgopunk said:
I don't use Trebuchet either (use Apex) but did wonder if it was possibly a launcher issue but that sounds to simple.

I remember reading a very informative and somewhat technical thread elsewhere on XDA about SODs (I'll try and find it again). It's all about the CPU sleeping and not being able to be woken up and what causes this IIRC. I also have a memory that it was to do with CPU governors and frequencies (but I could be wrong here). I also think that the modem may have something to do with in terms of kernal wakelocks etc but again this is just me stabbing in the dark really.

So I've changed my governor to Performance. I was wondering whether to limit CPU to 500Mhz but wanted to get some advice before I did that since it's just the actions of a desperate man.

I'm not sure how it would perform if limited to maximum 500MHz, but I imagine that a 500MHz minimum will sort of wear out the battery.

I haven't flashed any separate modems, haven't used performance, been using ondemand this whole time...no problems at all.

Only bug, sometime wi-fi doesn't turn on and I have to reboot. I can't remember reading about that before though.

Entropy512 · May 18, 2012

shorty66 said:
Hey Entropy,
do you know how far XPlodWild has come with MHL? He mentioned on twitter, that he might get it to work this week...

I am using the latest Nightly at the moment and i am very pleased with it. I didn`t have any SOD or other problems, good work

The only minor issue i have is that the note takes a while to wake up with the power button. Seems a little odd as i am used to no noticable delay from other roms.

Also i would love to have stylus-calibration options in settings.

"other firmwares" - If Gingerbread - they took a bit of time to wake up too, but a little less. The kernel took 650 msec on average to wake up in Gingerbread on Exynos devices. I9100 update4 cranked that up to 1000 ms (I was really hoping for IMPROVEMENT here, not regression) - most of it is waking up the modem, which is hung off of an internal USB bus (ugh what a ****ty decision on Samsung's part there...) It's on my list of things to look at to try and improve, but right now - there's much higher priority things (e.g. major breakage such as RCU stalls) to deal with. Plus I'm kind of starting to get worn out - once a few of the nastier issues get resolved I think I'm going to need to take a break for a week or two, or at least cut way back on the hack addiction.

As to MHL - I think xplod was a little bit too optimistic there. OTG - no clue, probably going to be easier. I don't think MHL will require much (if any) kernel work - it's more in the upper layers. Unfortunately codeworkx is somewhat distracted by Diablo 3.

(The MHL issues aren't Note-specific... Same issues as I9100. I don't think there are many issues down in kernel space, but they're up in the camera/video hwaccel HALs - e.g. not the kernel FIMC/MFC drivers but the layers that control FIMC/MFC.

nickshertzer said:
Hell yeah, Maui is the man! That 2-Jan build was way before any ICS leaks. I have no idea about the kernel other than it was called 2.6.35.7-ga8cbb4b-dirty maui@dijkstra #1

Since the OP mentions that it uses GB graphic blobs, I guess maybe it was a reworked GB kernel. Sorry to hammer about the speakerphone issue. I use it everyday. In the car, it is my hands free. At home, I don't let my kids hold my $650 phone when they talk to grandma. At work, I set down my phone so I can type and remote control a client's computer.

Alas, patience is a virtue

2.6.35.7? Oh yeah, definitely a rework of a Gingerbread kernel then. I believe codeworkx was trying similar stuff around then with the I9100, but there were serious RIL issues and then I9100 ICS leaks started showing - while CM developers usually prefer avoiding dicking around with binary-only kernels like the plague, on I9100 it was really the only option until March when I9100 update4 source dropped.

ChodTheWacko · May 18, 2012

Entropy512 said:
Plus I'm kind of starting to get worn out - once a few of the nastier issues get resolved I think I'm going to need to take a break for a week or two, or at least cut way back on the hack addiction.

I still think you should chill out by temp-banning anyone who doesn't search or read the FAQ. Just temp ban them for say....... two days.

It'd be the internet version of whack a mole.

"Hey, is this ROM safe?" *WHAM*

MR.change · May 18, 2012

ChodTheWacko said:
I still think you should chill out by temp-banning anyone who doesn't search or read the FAQ. Just temp ban them for say....... two days.

It'd be the internet version of whack a mole.

"Hey, is this ROM safe?" *WHAM*

Agreed ,Entropy you really should take a break ,I told you before you're all over the place ,be it helping people with repetitive questions ,or just developing .

Chill man ,take a break

P.S: you're still my favorite dev

EDIT: on topic: I'm using trebuchet and have zero SODs
So I guess it's not launcher related.

gattaga · May 18, 2012

Per app DPI

Saw this feature in ParanoidAndroid rom for galaxy nexus
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1619582

Wondering if it can be accommodated in CM9..

(Not asking.. requesting is more like it)

chasmodo · May 18, 2012

imilka is working on porting Paranoid for Note, so you can use the Rom when it appears.
I very much doubt that these features would ever be implemented in CM9.

Besides, I had been using Paranoid Rom on my SGS2 for three days, and encountered lots of issues. Just thought I'd mention it.

gattaga · May 18, 2012

chasmodo said:
imilka is working on porting Paranoid for Note, so you can use the Rom when it appears.
I very much doubt that these features would ever be implemented in CM9.

Besides, I had been using Paranoid Rom on my SGS2 for three days, and encountered lots of issues. Just thought I'd mention it.

thnxx..
problems I agree(reading the forum for galaxy nexus).. but would like to have choices..

(Greedy eyes rolling)

luminouche · May 18, 2012

All my SOD happened in this config :
Trebuchet removed (deleted in /System/App with RootExplorer)
ApexPro Launcher instead

Entropy512 · May 18, 2012

I use Apex myself (not Pro) and SoDs are very rare for me. Maybe once every 2-3 days, usually when on charger.

MR.change · May 18, 2012

Entropy512 said:
I use Apex myself (not Pro) and SoDs are very rare for me. Maybe once every 2-3 days, usually when on charger.

so how come I never get SODs (well only once on #3 to be fair) ?
maybe it's compeletely random ,like wth LPY when some would brick while others are fine?

Neomatt · May 18, 2012

Entropy512 said:
Somehow system volume sometimes gets dropped and it's not exposed in the UI - this happens on multiple devices but I haven't had time to chat with one of the audio gurus about it. Use Audio Manager from the market to check/change the System volume.

FYI, Entropy, I think I managed a way to 100% repro it on my device.

Here are my steps:
- put the mobile in silent/vibrate mode.
- plug headphones (I think that's what is causing the commotion).
- once the headphones are plugged, the silent mode goes to "speaker without a line behind it" mode (I don't know exactly what is this mode)
- press once in the notification bar to get to "speaker with a line behind it" mode (normal? Again, not sure)
- unplug headphones (the phone is on vibrate now)
- press once again to quit silent mode.
- and now, system sounds are down to 0.

Anyway, if you can tell the "audio gurus" about this, that can give them a clue about what is happening.

be_vigilant · May 18, 2012

I use the exact same apps and setup on CM9 and LPF. I have replaced the TW from LPF and replaced with Treb. Also stripped out most TW apps.

LPF is rock solid no SOD just like LPY. As soon as I put CM back on I will get a SOD within a few hours of the phone being in a standby state. If I call my phone whilst its in this SOD I do not get routed to voicemail as you would expect but get a ringing tone.

Yet my CM9 note doesn't display anything or make a ringtone. Its completely unresponsive.

I have not done anything wrong in flashing. As you can see by my XDA join date I am not new to the scene. I also work as a systems specialist so I have a very good knowledge of computers. This cannot be down to user error or something the SOD suffers are doing. I have tried every radio TNA.

So people saying "I GET NO SOD" in capitals acting all high and mighty doesn't help at all and just serves to bury posts with logs attached.

As I have said before when imilka moved from the earlier LP to the LP5 kernel the SOD stopped.

Hoping when the sources drop this SOD issue can be put to rest. Until then LPF it is.

Entropy512 · May 18, 2012

Neomatt said:
FYI, Entropy, I think I managed a way to 100% repro it on my device.

Here are my steps:
- put the mobile in silent/vibrate mode.
- plug headphones (I think that's what is causing the commotion).
- once the headphones are plugged, the silent mode goes to "speaker without a line behind it" mode (I don't know exactly what is this mode)
- press once in the notification bar to get to "speaker with a line behind it" mode (normal? Again, not sure)
- unplug headphones (the phone is on vibrate now)
- press once again to quit silent mode.
- and now, system sounds are down to 0.

Anyway, if you can tell the "audio gurus" about this, that can give them a clue about what is happening.

Sounds like this may be related to the notification-during-media-on-headphones bug... Which made Steven's head hurt last time he tried to poke at it. (He's kinda become the audio guru on Exynos devices.)

virgopunk · May 18, 2012

be_vigilant said:
I use the exact same apps and setup on CM9 and LPF. I have replaced the TW from LPF and replaced with Treb. Also stripped out most TW apps.

LPF is rock solid no SOD just like LPY. As soon as I put CM back on I will get a SOD within a few hours of the phone being in a standby state. If I call my phone whilst its in this SOD I do not get routed to voicemail as you would expect but get a ringing tone.

Yet my CM9 note doesn't display anything or make a ringtone. Its completely unresponsive.

I have not done anything wrong in flashing. As you can see by my XDA join date I am not new to the scene. I also work as a systems specialist so I have a very good knowledge of computers. This cannot be down to user error or something the SOD suffers are doing. I have tried every radio TNA.

So people saying "I GET NO SOD" in capitals acting all high and mighty doesn't help at all and just serves to bury posts with logs attached.

As I have said before when imilka moved from the earlier LP to the LP5 kernel the SOD stopped.

Hoping when the sources drop this SOD issue can be put to rest. Until then LPF it is.

Totally agree. Seems like most people are just stabbing in the dark as to the actual cause. All I know is that Imilka's CM9 repack didn't have this problem. The only reason I went with the nightly CM9 was because the banding/crushed black video issue seems much improved (and that is a major step forward). Seems like these ROMs give with one hand but take with the other

When you talk about LPF is that the stock ROM? Sorry if I'm coming across stupid I'm just snowed under with acronyms right now

I'd try some proper troubleshooting but I think all that would do is tell me the problem lies with the CM9 nightly ROM (blasphemy!) but yes when the sources appear I think we'll be looking at a flood of improvements (unless the devs haven't topped themselves!)

ahalford · May 18, 2012

My humble and non-professional opinion.
So far I encountered one in 3days (yes, very fresh CM9 user on Note, used it on other phones though...), and it was in idle state, with wi-fi off, in pretty fresh room tempreature (+18 C), not on charger, nothing in background...deep sleep went too much deep.
I think there is no certain app/service/whatever, which causes SOD. I also might think, that when LPF kernel source will be released, and (if) will be used for CM roms, SODs will disappear.
So...let's hope for better future.

virgopunk · May 18, 2012

ahalford said:
My humble and non-professional opinion.
So far I encountered one in 3days (yes, very fresh CM9 user on Note, used it on other phones though...), and it was in idle state, with wi-fi off, in pretty fresh room tempreature (+18 C), not on charger, nothing in background...deep sleep went too much deep.
I think there is no certain app/service/whatever, which causes SOD. I also might think, that when LPF kernel source will be released, and (if) will be used for CM roms, SODs will disappear.
So...let's hope for better future.

Eh? WTF does temperature have to do with it? And if it isn't 'apps/services/whatever' causing SODs then WTF are causing them?

I think it's fairly well established that it's an un-restorable deep sleep that causes the problem BUT this is ridiculously serious. Basically the phone cannot keep itself turned on. If you cant rely on the phone to stay awake then that's a pretty big fail in my book and its being encountered by a large number of CM9 users. It's what I would call an 'Elephant in the room' since no one can offer a decent theory as to why this problem is so specific to the CM9 roms.

copperdawgnc · May 18, 2012

virgopunk said:
Eh? WTF does temperature have to do with it? And if it isn't 'apps/services/whatever' causing SODs then WTF are causing them?

I think it's fairly well established that it's an un-restorable deep sleep that causes the problem BUT this is ridiculously serious. Basically the phone cannot keep itself turned on. If you cant rely on the phone to stay awake then that's a pretty big fail in my book and its being encountered by a large number of CM9 users. It's what I would call an 'Elephant in the room' since no one can offer a decent theory as to why this problem is so specific to the CM9 roms.

ease up. I have never had a sod on this device yet but had them before on my HD2 what happens if you call the phone when its SOD? I have had them wake if a call comes in but I have also had them happen when I get a call.

eug3n91 · May 18, 2012

Themes

I just noticed something. While trying to get rid of the background gradient in settings and other menus I got to trying themes like Black Infinitum and Cobalt. I applied them, rebooted once, rebooted twice...and still I get the feeling that any other theme makes slightly choppier than the default one

Any way to avoid that? Also, note that I'm using Apex Launcher which weirdly is the smoothest for me, although most people say Nova is

Thanks for any answer...

virgopunk · May 18, 2012

copperdawgnc said:
ease up. I have never had a sod on this device yet but had them before on my HD2 what happens if you call the phone when its SOD? I have had them wake if a call comes in but I have also had them happen when I get a call.

If you've not suffered with them on the note then you're one of the lucky few. I get the same response if the phone is called during an SOD i.e. it doesn't wake and the call just rings. Perhaps you'd like to add to why temperature could be something to do with the problem?

It's a big problem is all I'm saying and, as be_vigilant points out, its almost certainly a ROM issue as oppose to a user mistake. I'm fed up with having to pull my battery out five or six times a day. Aaaand as Be_Vigilant said saying that you've never had one is less than helpful.

The interesting point is that there are folk who don't have this problem. I'd love to know how my flashing process differs from theirs since that would point to what the problem is.

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