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Finally Ubuntu for the tablets is here. That's Right!!! This Thursday for the nexus7 and 10. Here goes the official video http://youtu.be/h384z7Ph0gU

hit the thanks... been a while

Just the developer preview right now it looks like, I thought it was the full release for some reason. Anyone planning to jump in head first just for fun?

I think I'm going to wait a little bit, conceptually it seems great but I would initially like to "dual-boot" if that is in any way possible - does it actually install a grub like pre-loader where I could choose to boot to my SentinalROM instead? How about Google Play store integration, any news on that? The biggest hurdle for myself would be losing access to all my Play Store games/books.
 

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Just the developer preview right now it looks like, I thought it was the full release for some reason. Anyone planning to jump in head first just for fun?

I think I'm going to wait a little bit, conceptually it seems great but I would initially like to "dual-boot" if that is in any way possible - does it actually install a grub like pre-loader where I could choose to boot to my SentinalROM instead? How about Google Play store integration, any news on that? The biggest hurdle for myself would be losing access to all my Play Store games/books.

Oh absolutely. I plan on downloading it as soon as it goes live.

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Just the developer preview right now it looks like, I thought it was the full release for some reason. Anyone planning to jump in head first just for fun?

I'm going to give it a try on my Nexus 7.. That's my entertainment/screw around with my own builds tablet.. I'm really not privvy to testing "development previews" of an alternate OS on a $500 tablet.. I'll at minimum wait a bit to feel it out on the Nexus 7 first and hear back from those who did try it on the Nexus 10.
 

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if there is ubuntu for android where you have access to your android apps. Why cant we do that with our nexus 10?

I dont care for dualbooting if I can have access to android apps from within ubuntu.
 

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if there is ubuntu for android where you have access to your android apps. Why cant we do that with our nexus 10?

I dont care for dualbooting if I can have access to android apps from within ubuntu.

As far as I know you do not have access to your android applications you simply have ubuntu.

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Loving this. You know they're turning this loose for the imaginative dev/hacker community to get great ideas for a full release on their own devices. It will benefit all in the long run. Google better embrace this as the future, I hope.

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Loving this. You know they're turning this loose for the imaginative dev/hacker community to get great ideas for a full release on their own devices. It will benefit all in the long run. Google better embrace this as the future, I hope.

It's great seeing this kind of development, but I'm not yet clear that it's something that would help Google or necessarily benefit the majority of the user community...at least not in the near term. Google's been working hard at gaining market acceptance for Android, and a significant component of this will likely be, increasingly, the availability of Android as an internally consistent ecosystem that spans phone and tablets. Ubuntu is pushing the same idea, i.e., a single ecosystem that encompasses phones, tablets and PC's -- and that's great. But unless there's interoperability between OS's, it may be a while before the consumer market is ready to embrace yet another mobile OS in a big way, as appealing as Ubuntu may be.

My Android phone (Galaxy Nexus) and tablets (N10 and N7) work so well together these days that I really wouldn't want to replace any of them with a device running an OS and aps that didn't "connect" with my other devices as well and seamlessly as they all work together now. I'm also not about to replace all 3 devices right away, and start fresh finding apps that mimic the functionality of the 100+ Android apps that I have installed.

Android and Ubuntu are both based on Linux at the lowest levels, so they can take advantage of common hardware drivers. But at the app level, they're based on different languages and runtime systems - so far. At the moment, Android apps can't run on Ubuntu in any kind of native mode and vice versa. While Google is working to gain broad acceptance of Android, what incentive would they have to throw another OS in the mix at this stage of the game?
 

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Android and Ubuntu are both based on Linux at the lowest levels, so they can take advantage of common hardware drivers. But at the app level, they're based on different languages and runtime systems - so far. At the moment, Android apps can't run on Ubuntu in any kind of native mode and vice versa. While Google is working to gain broad acceptance of Android, what incentive would they have to throw another OS in the mix at this stage of the game?

Well I meant to quote and managed to thank you - While they are based on different levels I do recall hearing that there would be a dalvik vm built into ubuntu to allow for android applications to run inside the system as well - as long as you have the apk and such. Similar to BlueStacks for W8 and Windows desktop.
 

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Well I meant to quote and managed to thank you - While they are based on different levels I do recall hearing that there would be a dalvik vm built into ubuntu to allow for android applications to run inside the system as well - as long as you have the apk and such. Similar to BlueStacks for W8 and Windows desktop.

Thanks for the thanks, however inadvertent ;)

As far as I've read, Canonical doesn't plan on creating a Dalvik JVM for Ubuntu any time soon. The statement from them suggested that they recognize that native compiled apps (the dev ecosystem on Ubuntu is primarily HTML5, QML, C++) will run faster and more efficiently than code running within a JVM -- this was part of the comment when asked if they were planning to incorporate a Dalvik emulator in Ubuntu. There's nothing to prevent someone from developing one, but making this work properly will also require cooperation between the Dalvik implementation and the security framework in Ubuntu -- certainly possible, but I'm guessing it could be a year before anything comprehensive along those lines is likely to make it to market.

There's also another question nagging at me: how will Google evolve Android over the next couple of years? With an increasing number of apps rolling out for Android, it's conceivable that multiple windows (such as Samsung already offers) may become a regular feature, apps will become increasingly powerful -- and the distinction, at least for many people and many applications -- between PC and Android device -- will become vanishingly small for many purposes. If that happens, my guess is that this would further reduce any incentive for Google to somehow tie Ubuntu in with Android.

Of course I could be 100% wrong, and this just be the kind of thinking that happens after a 12 hour day without enough coffee... I personally love the evolution of hardware and software, and look forward to seeing how this all pans out. Fun to speculate in the meantime.
 
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Thanks for the thanks, however inadvertent ;)

As far as I've read, Canonical doesn't plan on creating a Dalvik JVM for Ubuntu any time soon. The statement from them suggested that they recognize that native compiled apps (the dev ecosystem on Ubuntu is primarily HTML5, QML, C++) will run faster and more efficiently than code running within a JVM -- this was part of the comment when asked if they were planning to incorporate a Dalvik emulator in Ubuntu. There's nothing to prevent someone from developing one, but making this work properly will also require cooperation between the Dalvik implementation and the security framework in Ubuntu -- certainly possible, but I'm guessing it could be a year before anything comprehensive along those lines is likely to make it to market.

There's also another question nagging at me: how will Google evolve Android over the next couple of years? With an increasing number of apps rolling out for Android, it's conceivable that multiple windows (such as Samsung already offers) may become a regular feature, apps will become increasingly powerful -- and the distinction, at least for many people and many applications -- between PC and Android device -- will become vanishingly small for many purposes. If that happens, my guess is that this would further reduce any incentive for Google to somehow tie Ubuntu in with Android.

Of course I could be 100% wrong, and this just be the kind of thinking that happens after a 12 hour day without enough coffee... I personally love the evolution of hardware and software, and look forward to seeing how this all pans out. Fun to speculate in the meantime.

Why does Ubuntu have to do anything with Google?
The developer preview is being made for Nexus devices but that's only because they are readily available and open to hacking.

I don't think Canonical realistically thinks Ubuntu will be the lead platform for Phones and Tablets but that's okay. They're currently trying to fill a niche with their tablet OS which is the enterprise market. This is one place where Android hasn't made a ton of inroads and it happens to be where Canonical makes their money(albeit still not profitable).
 

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    I thought i would give you my first impressions to:

    I installed the preview yesterday at around 18:00. luckily my Latop is still running mint, so no problem there. Also the instructins are pretty straight forward, so everyone who has seen a terminal should be abe to flash this. Although this wouldn't be needed as this hole thing could be made flashable via recovery (me thinks that this is to give it a "developer" touch ;)).
    The first thing i noted after booting, was that there is no setup process. I expected basic functionality and wome things broken. But having no possibility to create a own user is a bummer... (for anyone interested: the PW for the other users are their first names)
    The next thing is the laggyness. But that was to be expected. So wait and see for this one.

    The notification bar is ridiculus. Not the idea itself. I like the possibility to access different settings directly. But the icons are simply to small. I tried to get to the battery options and opend mail... and so on. But wait there is more: When in the Browser for eample, the Browser runs fullscreen. So you pretty much have to guess where your mail icon would be to swipe them down. This is a clear fail in the concept.

    The apps... yeah cannonical said that they were html5. But even the own Ubuntu One app is only a webpage. You are even able to zoom. In a pretended "app". The Mediaplayer is nothing more than a black image? GMail as described with Ubuntu One. Facebook is only a mobile version of their site and so on. I think html5 is a great opportunity to open development to the masses. But in the current for my aosp browser is more usefull then these so called "apps"

    The Homescreen. This reminds me a bit of the Kindle Fire. Much space wasted with things i don't want to see. Music recommendations Book recommendations... in the end its a big space for advertising.

    The Gestures: the idea is nice. Although not as good implemented as Win8 (hate to say that) but on the right way. This needs some tweaking and rethinking in some concerns but the general concept works. At least for me.

    Summary: Another OS that tries to be different just to be different. I like the overall look of Ubuntu and i am a big fan of their Desktop Experience. But this thing in the surrent state is not much more than a poerpoint presentation of what this might look like. Granted this is for dev use to see how their apps integrate into the new system. But some Basic functionality would have been nice.
    I will follow the development closely and see what we get here.

    I expected a more "productive" system. They are advertising this for "business use" and don't deliver any functionality that supports this. My Tablet is more Powerful than my Laptop and i finally want to use it for more than just browsing the web and consuming videos...
    It hurts to say, but for me right now Windows 8 Pro is the best tablet alternative out there. I'm just waiting for full Ubuntu to arrive on the N10.

    One last not here: The Powerdraw is ridiculuss. this thing draw 84% Battery over night (6 hours) idleing...

    I hope someone finds this usefull. I just wanted to write this because of my slight frustration. So take it or leave it. Feal free to comment or correct me where i might be wrong.

    domsch
    (I'm not a native speaker, so forgive any mistakes i might have done...)
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    When it finally is available you should be able to download it and find the instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TouchInstallProcess. I had a hell of a time trying to find that page.

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    Loving this. You know they're turning this loose for the imaginative dev/hacker community to get great ideas for a full release on their own devices. It will benefit all in the long run. Google better embrace this as the future, I hope.

    It's great seeing this kind of development, but I'm not yet clear that it's something that would help Google or necessarily benefit the majority of the user community...at least not in the near term. Google's been working hard at gaining market acceptance for Android, and a significant component of this will likely be, increasingly, the availability of Android as an internally consistent ecosystem that spans phone and tablets. Ubuntu is pushing the same idea, i.e., a single ecosystem that encompasses phones, tablets and PC's -- and that's great. But unless there's interoperability between OS's, it may be a while before the consumer market is ready to embrace yet another mobile OS in a big way, as appealing as Ubuntu may be.

    My Android phone (Galaxy Nexus) and tablets (N10 and N7) work so well together these days that I really wouldn't want to replace any of them with a device running an OS and aps that didn't "connect" with my other devices as well and seamlessly as they all work together now. I'm also not about to replace all 3 devices right away, and start fresh finding apps that mimic the functionality of the 100+ Android apps that I have installed.

    Android and Ubuntu are both based on Linux at the lowest levels, so they can take advantage of common hardware drivers. But at the app level, they're based on different languages and runtime systems - so far. At the moment, Android apps can't run on Ubuntu in any kind of native mode and vice versa. While Google is working to gain broad acceptance of Android, what incentive would they have to throw another OS in the mix at this stage of the game?
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    Dual boot is mandatory for me to do this

    agreed. dual boot or no go!