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Right on John welcome lets get some work done f all the hate'ers they don't know swat...
And this is the most intelligent response yet...*sarcasm*
But anyways...
I am not saying he is not legit, nor he doesn't work for samsung. I'm just saying, I don't think he is as close to the development department as he would like you to believe. There would be a lot of red tape involved regarding the source and who's its shared to.
Then one question for John.
What is your projection, time frame, til we see concrete evidence that their is some sort of relation between XDA and Samsung regarding development?
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Not sure how i missed this thread. But looks good to me. Legit as well. Maybe we do have a chance to get help now. And open some channels.
Post about admins. I understand why its here. As being a user like we all are who thinks of going through admins first? You want to say hello and hope to get a response. And then hope someone helps you out
Post about admins. I understand why its here. As being a user like we all are who thinks of going through admins first? You want to say hello and hope to get a response. And then hope someone helps you out
I am neck deep in some heavy development right now...
if there is any chance this will lead to the release of source code
or proprietary bits, this will make my struggles pointless.
so I will put on the breaks (only for a moment) to see where this leads.
if there is any chance this will lead to the release of source code
or proprietary bits, this will make my struggles pointless.
so I will put on the breaks (only for a moment) to see where this leads.
All true. It is possible that Samsung marketing has decided to reach out to the enthusiasts via John having worked with product management and software development to offer us a carrot. Probably just wishful thinking but let's give the guy a little time to prove himself to be more than just a marketing tool.
I would hate to see any of the work here lose momentum off the back of unfulfilled promises. John, take note. If you want to stick to saying you can truly affect change, some people might believe you.
That's exactly why I asked him to provide a job description and explain exactly what he does. Unfortunately I don't expect any response to that question.
which is why I am not waiting long...
FULL AOSP, kernel and all...
I started a thread in the Dev section...
That's right *full* AOSP is not possible for kernel so far due to FSR/RFS drivers in kernel and in init binary.
Welcome to the boards! Hopefully we finally get some information and issues resolved with our phones. And maybe the source code for AT&T Captivate.
So... is that GPS fix still coming around that was promised in September or is Samsung finally in agreement that they borked the GPS aspect of this phone?
So... is that GPS fix still coming around that was promised in September or is Samsung finally in agreement that they borked the GPS aspect of this phone?
Which is why it would be noble of them to open source these instead of making us franken-source drivers or create drivers from scratch....
not holding my breath though....
I take this to mean he's got some say in development, and not some PR lackey. Although, yes, it would be nice to know his exact job description.
Thank you!
I'm sure we all have seen Transformers right? Remember that scene in the movie where the Autobots are arriving to earth?(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kps_CkEEkUo) Quality kind of sucks. I compare that scene as Samsung arriving to XDA! I will not let you guys down. I will be back on Monday, in the mean time all top developers please pm. On Monday, I will post a new thread explaining further details. Also if your going to be in Austin for the convention let me know as well.
P.S. I have been reading all your postings in the threads.
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@SamsungJohn
I'm sure we all have seen Transformers right? Remember that scene in the movie where the Autobots are arriving to earth?(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kps_CkEEkUo) Quality kind of sucks. I compare that scene as Samsung arriving to XDA! I will not let you guys down. I will be back on Monday, in the mean time all top developers please pm. On Monday, I will post a new thread explaining further details. Also if your going to be in Austin for the convention let me know as well.
P.S. I have been reading all your postings in the threads.
Thanks
@SamsungJohn
Well thanks man, they have some good ideas in the epic forum, and supercurio's open source proposal is something that would benefit all. Remember that the dev's and bloggers are the first to endorse a company and their products. And trickle down to the masses. I imagine your family ask you what phone they should buy, and they do it for reason.
Well heres my input john. Straight forward 1. No lag. 2. No lag. 3. Completely working hardware, GPS, screen ect. 4. Support ( updates ). Looking forward for the Galaxy S II. Hopefully my experience with the captivate was just a last night nightmare . Big credit to the community on xda for making the Galaxy s useable.
Sent from my Galaxy s Captivate
Sent from my Galaxy s Captivate
Welcome.
You have a community here that is passionate about these products and interested in finding ways to make these phones better to use. For me, I am a user who found this site, first when I was on Windows Mobile later on Android as a place to fix things that just didn't work right or get updates to products after the vendor had moved on.
What would be great would be to see a way Samsung would be willing to:
1. Explain some of the choices it has made - like preventing sideloading and installing from 3rd party markets, removing functionality clearly intended for the product (the Captivate user manual on the Samsung USA web site describes the Mobile AP functionality that was yanked on page 103), preventing removal of the AT&T apps, and what really is taking so long with the Froyo update (let alone whether we will ever see Gingerbread).
2. Find a way to enable at least some of the improvements/modifications developed or implemented by the cooks to be implemented without voiding a warranty.
3. Make available an AOSP or unbranded version of the Captivate ROM that supports the phone and then lets the devs add to it as they see fit.
4. Not use this as another hype channel like the SamsungMobileUS tweets
You have a community here that is passionate about these products and interested in finding ways to make these phones better to use. For me, I am a user who found this site, first when I was on Windows Mobile later on Android as a place to fix things that just didn't work right or get updates to products after the vendor had moved on.
What would be great would be to see a way Samsung would be willing to:
1. Explain some of the choices it has made - like preventing sideloading and installing from 3rd party markets, removing functionality clearly intended for the product (the Captivate user manual on the Samsung USA web site describes the Mobile AP functionality that was yanked on page 103), preventing removal of the AT&T apps, and what really is taking so long with the Froyo update (let alone whether we will ever see Gingerbread).
2. Find a way to enable at least some of the improvements/modifications developed or implemented by the cooks to be implemented without voiding a warranty.
3. Make available an AOSP or unbranded version of the Captivate ROM that supports the phone and then lets the devs add to it as they see fit.
4. Not use this as another hype channel like the SamsungMobileUS tweets
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Samsung is doing their best to steal as much from Apple as possible.
That's the problem.
From the CheeseWiz UI to the "**** you it's not broken" policy.1
I think he's legit, folks.
If you are indeed an analyst for Samsung, welcome to XDA. I'm sure you've already noticed by now that there is a lot of cynicism both for Samsung and your claim of being an employee. Simple reason for this is that most everyone here feels that Samsung has ignored their pleas for help, didn’t deliver promised upgrades, and left millions of Galaxy S owners with buggy software/hardware, etc.
If your goal is to reach out to Samsung users at the grassroots level, you're in the right place. However, you also have a tough job ahead of you. The disenfranchisement runs deep and it will take a lot of effort to fix.
Here are some suggestions for you to escalate internally within Samsung:
1. Support the development efforts of the XDA developers. There are many talented people working quite hard to customize, fix and generally improve Samsung firmware. Samsung should make some effort to provide these developers with source code, tools, and help.
2. Take an honest and upfront approach to product defects that find their way onto store shelves (e.g. GPS, battery, etc). I guarantee the cost of addressing the problem will be fully offset by the shift in customer loyalty. An unreliable product is perceived many times worse if the OEM denies or ignores the issues.
3. Set a release schedule with carrier partners and stick to it. Apple has set the benchmark for frequent over the wire software updates. Android applications are updated with fixes and improvements on a regular basis. In stark contrast, our firmware lags far behind Google’s releases and FOTA is failing more than it’s working. This has to change. Samsung needs to push out regular firmware updates that are applied seamlessly without loss of data. Forget FOTA and do it like Apple does OTW (over the wire).
4. Allow users the option of switching to AOSP. Some people like TouchWiz and some don’t. Give them the choice.
BTW, in addition to being an informed consumer, I work in the mobile industry. I know a fair amount about how it should work. The Samsung Galaxy product suite is performing very well but the real question is how long will it last. Loyalty takes effort to maintain and is easy to lose.
P.S. I may very well be at SXSW but I won’t know for sure until a week or so beforehand.1
Please dont let the haters get to you. just some bad blood from lack of contact with Samsung and faults and promises falling short.
I hope this is the beginning of something good because I believe that everyone can benefit from sharing between grass-roots devs and samsung. Just think of a rom developed in tandem between samsung and xda-devs, the great things in a short amount of time that could happen.
I am sure you have noticed 'supercurio' and his voodoo sound apps which make the audio allot better. from what i gather he has been working with someone in samsung to integrate his changes.
It will take commitment from samsung, a large commitment and support to get past older issues. But think of the amazing software we could develop together.
If you want someone to get some ideas from or bounce ideas off of please feel free to PM me.
