ICS expected by April now?

timmyDean · Jan 20, 2012

speeddaddy said:
Google just needs to focus on fixing the infrastructure of Android and NOT releasing new versions. Imagine if PC Windows came in yearly flavors, and Window 2012 would never get ported to Windows 2011 device.

I agree 100 percent[/QUOTE]

Good point, I just wish it was that easy. What makes this difficult is the various components. For example, if we all got together and built the DREAM tablet, lets call it DREAM, we'd be very happy. However, it is most likely we'd NOT make every part. So, lets just take one part. So, instead of making a camera we got a 3 mp camera from XYZ-3. We're not going to make CPU's, so we buy a Tegra 2.

Now XYZ Cameras sells to a lot of tablet manufactures and DREAM is just one. They only care about cameras. So, they now come up with XYZ-5 Camera which is a 5 mp, but it requires a firmware change from Tegra to work. Tegra makes chips, so they only offer the new firmware in their new chips.

Now, back to DREAM, we're out of XWY-3 and call in a new order. They tell us that they no longer make the xyz-3, but the XYZ-5 is better and is for the same price. However, it only works with Tegra Firmware 3. There are no drivers for the Tegra 2 because the Firmware doesn't support it.

Now the mess starts, and this is happening faster and faster each year.

Note: This is an example ONLY, so no need for someone to start saying Tegra 3 supports Tegra 2 firmware or that mfg's making xyz-3 would be backwards compatible with xyz-2. Again, this is an example and is what my company deals with on a daily bases and becomes a snowball real quick. It seems to now start happening around about 8 months. In the past, 18 to 24 months seemed to be the norm. There are times when it's dormant and then it breaks out again. In other words, tablet manufactures don't make tablets. They just get all the parts and assemble them. Just like Dell on the PC side. They do NOT make motherboards, HD, etc. Matter of fact, I don't think they make anything.

TD

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company"

erica_renee · Jan 20, 2012

Lost Blonde chic

Does this dream tablet come in pink .Does use gps to be sure i dont step in cyber doggie Doooo .. Because lately all this ice yes and no stuff is just that..

i DREAM OF A Hot redhead To love me Forever.. oops i already have that 25 years now.. why cant android be so simple... Now i go away and cry after posting this total useless meaningless post... Giggles.. oops Boohoooooo

wolverine423 · Jan 20, 2012

timmyDean said:
Good point, I just wish it was that easy. What makes this difficult is the various components. For example, if we all got together and built the DREAM tablet, lets call it DREAM, we'd be very happy. However, it is most likely we'd NOT make every part. So, lets just take one part. So, instead of making a camera we got a 3 mp camera from XYZ-3. We're not going to make CPU's, so we buy a Tegra 2.

Now XYZ Cameras sells to a lot of tablet manufactures and DREAM is just one. They only care about cameras. So, they now come up with XYZ-5 Camera which is a 5 mp, but it requires a firmware change from Tegra to work. Tegra makes chips, so they only offer the new firmware in their new chips.

Now, back to DREAM, we're out of XWY-3 and call in a new order. They tell us that they no longer make the xyz-3, but the XYZ-5 is better and is for the same price. However, it only works with Tegra Firmware 3. There are no drivers for the Tegra 2 because the Firmware doesn't support it.

Now the mess starts, and this is happening faster and faster each year.

Note: This is an example ONLY, so no need for someone to start saying Tegra 3 supports Tegra 2 firmware or that mfg's making xyz-3 would be backwards compatible with xyz-2. Again, this is an example and is what my company deals with on a daily bases and becomes a snowball real quick. It seems to now start happening around about 8 months. In the past, 18 to 24 months seemed to be the norm. There are times when it's dormant and then it breaks out again. In other words, tablet manufactures don't make tablets. They just get all the parts and assemble them. Just like Dell on the PC side. They do NOT make motherboards, HD, etc. Matter of fact, I don't think they make anything.

TD

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company"

I appreciate your continued post whoring of every ICS thread in this forum.

Keep up the good work.

Sent from my Acer Iconia A500 using Tapatalk

timmyDean · Jan 20, 2012

wolverine423 said:
I appreciate your continued post whoring of every ICS thread in this forum.

Keep up the good work.

Sent from my Acer Iconia A500 using Tapatalk

If anyone cares, my Xoom got ICS last night. Some issues, but the OTA came through. Rooting isn't an issue because they allow you to unlock the bootloader and we got it rooted already.

Since we got the word from Motorola it was coming, we were prepared it only broke one application which we had already fixed.

Like: When you turn on the tablet you can slide to the camera to unlock the screen and take pictures.

Dislike: Apps are just apps now. No 'apps' and 'my apps' distinction, it's all just apps. So you cannot tell which ones you installed. And, in the apps, there's no 'ghost' outline of apps off the screen, so you cannot tell there are more pages of apps to the left of right.

If you didn't know any better you might not even know it changed. I have several other MFG's models here, so it will be interesting to see if other OEM's implement the same way.

PS. With a locked bootloader, I'm not sure how you'd root a tablet that goes to ICS.

Anyway my 2¢

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company"

wolverine423 · Jan 20, 2012

timmyDean said:
Like: When you turn on the tablet you can slide to the camera to unlock the screen and take pictures.

Dislike: Apps are just apps now. No 'apps' and 'my apps' distinction, it's all just apps. So you cannot tell which ones you installed. And, in the apps, there's no 'ghost' outline of apps off the screen, so you cannot tell there are more pages of apps to the left of right.

PS. With a locked bootloader, I'm not sure how you'd root a tablet that goes to ICS.

Anyway my 2¢

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company"

I agree on the apps separation, but I put all my commonly used apps on a home screen so it's a minor inconvenience to me.

The browser is a big improvement. After a few weeks I haven't noticed it crash once. The honeycomb browser would crash daily. (Certain websites)

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dincdoes.me · Jan 20, 2012

I won't be getting an Acer ill be getting the HTC quadcore ONLY IF ITS WIFI ONLY if anyone has a HTC device you know how well they are committed on bootloader unlocking for the users but carriers are making this a hard task plus HTC is really beautiful!

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qhinton · Jan 22, 2012

This is why I really want to leave Android behind. There's just too many devices, different hardware, too many google updates, no control over manufactures, no timely updates, manufactures not fixing hardware issues (Acer + mic = no video chat oh the GPS too and oh yea wifi).

Its seems that the only tablet manufacture that is trying to gain customers by providing us with what we want is Asus. If they continue with timely updates and addressing issues why by anything else?

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium

kjy2010 · Jan 22, 2012

qhinton said:
This is why I really want to leave Android behind. There's just too many devices, different hardware, too many google updates, no control over manufactures, no timely updates, manufactures not fixing hardware issues (Acer + mic = no video chat oh the GPS too and oh yea wifi).

Its seems that the only tablet manufacture that is trying to gain customers by providing us with what we want is Asus. If they continue with timely updates and addressing issues why by anything else?

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium

REALLY.!?!

Have you read the "Prime" forums here at XDA lately?
If the way a manufacturer addresses issues is by releasing a new tab because the Prime is riddled with so many hardware bugs, then you deserve each other.
PLEASE go purchase a Prime

Destron56853 · Jan 22, 2012

timmyDean said:
I agree 100 percent

Good point, I just wish it was that easy. What makes this difficult is the various components. For example, if we all got together and built the DREAM tablet, lets call it DREAM, we'd be very happy. However, it is most likely we'd NOT make every part. So, lets just take one part. So, instead of making a camera we got a 3 mp camera from XYZ-3. We're not going to make CPU's, so we buy a Tegra 2.

Now XYZ Cameras sells to a lot of tablet manufactures and DREAM is just one. They only care about cameras. So, they now come up with XYZ-5 Camera which is a 5 mp, but it requires a firmware change from Tegra to work. Tegra makes chips, so they only offer the new firmware in their new chips.

Now, back to DREAM, we're out of XWY-3 and call in a new order. They tell us that they no longer make the xyz-3, but the XYZ-5 is better and is for the same price. However, it only works with Tegra Firmware 3. There are no drivers for the Tegra 2 because the Firmware doesn't support it.

Now the mess starts, and this is happening faster and faster each year.

Note: This is an example ONLY, so no need for someone to start saying Tegra 3 supports Tegra 2 firmware or that mfg's making xyz-3 would be backwards compatible with xyz-2. Again, this is an example and is what my company deals with on a daily bases and becomes a snowball real quick. It seems to now start happening around about 8 months. In the past, 18 to 24 months seemed to be the norm. There are times when it's dormant and then it breaks out again. In other words, tablet manufactures don't make tablets. They just get all the parts and assemble them. Just like Dell on the PC side. They do NOT make motherboards, HD, etc. Matter of fact, I don't think they make anything.

TD

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company"[/QUOTE]

My post had nothing to do with hardware or tablets. I was referring to the fact that Google continuously release new version in rapid fire succession and all the have managed to do is segment the Android market. Every new device comes with a newer version of Android and older devices are forgotten. Doesn't matter if they can support the new version or not. Google needs to stop releasing new versions and let the devices catch up. Updates are one thing but stop with new versions. let everyone catch up.

nifterific · Jan 22, 2012

timmyDean said:
If anyone cares, my Xoom got ICS last night. Some issues, but the OTA came through. Rooting isn't an issue because they allow you to unlock the bootloader and we got it rooted already.

Since we got the word from Motorola it was coming, we were prepared it only broke one application which we had already fixed.

Like: When you turn on the tablet you can slide to the camera to unlock the screen and take pictures.

Dislike: Apps are just apps now. No 'apps' and 'my apps' distinction, it's all just apps. So you cannot tell which ones you installed. And, in the apps, there's no 'ghost' outline of apps off the screen, so you cannot tell there are more pages of apps to the left of right.

If you didn't know any better you might not even know it changed. I have several other MFG's models here, so it will be interesting to see if other OEM's implement the same way.

PS. With a locked bootloader, I'm not sure how you'd root a tablet that goes to ICS.

Anyway my 2¢

"Take your stinking locked bootloader of my tablet you damn dirty ACER company"

"apps" and "my apps" feel pointless to me. You cant even customize "my apps", its just what you downloaded. what if a particular app you like came stock on your device? now its not under "my apps".

also, having had phones before a tablet, I had ICS on my G2 before I had an a500 (my first honeycomb device). Widgets in the drawer was freaking AMAZING to me. I didnt know there was ever a system in place to give you a preview of a widget before you put it on a home screen. Widgetsin the drawer gets rid of a useless section of duplicate app short cuts in favor of standardizing widget previews across phones and tablets. I vastly prefer widgets in the drawer over my apps, I was actually disappointed when I opened my app drawer on my a500 for the first time to see it looking like the ICS drawer but no widgets.

dr.m0x · Jan 22, 2012

My post had nothing to do with hardware or tablets. I was referring to the fact that Google continuously release new version in rapid fire succession and all the have managed to do is segment the Android market. Every new device comes with a newer version of Android and older devices are forgotten. Doesn't matter if they can support the new version or not. Google needs to stop releasing new versions and let the devices catch up. Updates are one thing but stop with new versions. let everyone catch up.

True that. Hope they stick with ics for a bit as it's really quite good. To be honest though beyond the hw acceleration I don't really feel like it's much of a step from gingerbread or honeycomb.That is to say, if hw acceleration was already in gb and hc I wouldn't be too fussed about an upgrade.

qhinton · Jan 23, 2012

kjy2010 said:
REALLY.!?!
Have you read the "Prime" forums here at XDA lately?
If the way a manufacturer addresses issues is by releasing a new tab because the Prime is riddled with so many hardware bugs, then you deserve each other.
PLEASE go purchase a Prime

Why would I? I dont own a prime. However i did see yesterday that Asus is offering refunds or extended warrantys to Prime owners.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium

sickspider1 · Jan 23, 2012

omg they said november...then jan, now april smh

masands · Jan 23, 2012

sickspider1 said:
omg they said november...then jan, now april smh

The statement has been retracted by Acer. The latest is:

"Hi xxx, though no exact date has been confirmed in Australian/NZ, the ICS update is coming soon and we will keep you updated once it's available."

ctiger · Jan 23, 2012

dr.m0x said:
True that. Hope they stick with ics for a bit as it's really quite good. To be honest though beyond the hw acceleration I don't really feel like it's much of a step from gingerbread or honeycomb.That is to say, if hw acceleration was already in gb and hc I wouldn't be too fussed about an upgrade.

My understanding of difference of GB, HC, then ICS is that GB is for phone, HC for tablet, and they wanna merge all together, so we get ICS. Not too long ago, the resolution was a huge deal for software, I got some so complex structure for the windows mobile that I can't really follow, almost one complete set for every resolution, and can't use on other resolutions. You can get a whole software version for a newly released device, but can't put it onto an older device that has smaller screen.

Also to my understanding, all the parts difference for the tablet exists in PC world for at least 20 more years, other than the CPU, everything was different 20 years ago. Now, even the CPUs are totally different, you get 20 or even more CPUs you can choose from. But you can buy one Windows 7, and install on any of those PCs, press a button called update, and that should figure out the rest... When I had the one that runs vista, it wasn't much a bit deal to buy W7 and put it on it, it is slower, but it works. I know, it's not that simple. Just this bs waiting for new firmware thing, doesn't make sense. And this whole bs might just came from the standard set by apple. When apple dealt with all these s..t, they don't care, they are one company cover all, the software is written by them, the hardware is designed by them, they know all the details, they understand every little bit of it(I hope they do

) And here we go, the golden MS PC standard of cross platform is long gone, we are stuck in the endless cycle of waiting for the next big thing.

Deleted member 2943498 · Jan 24, 2012

I really don't get it! I've tried Thor's ICS builds and they work besides a few quirks.

BUT: Why are you all so nervous about ICS? It's a big leap if you own a Gingerbread phone but for me the differences between HC and ICS are minor and only nice to have. I could perfectly live with my A500 if it never gets ICS.

WereCatf · Jan 24, 2012

edisso10018 said:
BUT: Why are you all so nervous about ICS? It's a big leap if you own a Gingerbread phone but for me the differences between HC and ICS are minor and only nice to have. I could perfectly live with my A500 if it never gets ICS.

Well, I guess most of us want it because of the performance improvements: most of the UI transitions and effects are smoother and the browser is a lot faster. Atleast for me those are plenty good reasons to want it, I find A500 as it currently is terribly laggy and lacking in performance.

erica_renee · Jan 24, 2012

WereCatf said:
Well, I guess most of us want it because of the performance improvements: most of the UI transitions and effects are smoother and the browser is a lot faster. Atleast for me those are plenty good reasons to want it, I find A500 as it currently is terribly laggy and lacking in performance.

I so agree with this.. ICS has added a whole new hardware rendering engine into the us. This new render ability increases performance fluid like UI. and improved memory and CPU optimization. that will also lower the battery demand .. Not this update does not have a lot visual changes that you can see and touch. Its how the OS Handles the task you already do..

It will come i do believe. If not from acer but from this forum.. I do want to point out if you are on stock . if YOU DO GET ICS Pushed to you.. i would not jump and install the update.. let it download to install later . then ask in the form dev section. how to extract the link.. Let the DEVOPERS GET IT ROOTED .. or you might be stuck with no root

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