ChevronWP7 shuts down, handsets to be re-locked in 120 days
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10,000 tokens sold. If even 5,000 were actually contributing to the development, we would have crossed the 100,000 apps on Marketplace. On XDA I could probably count the "developers" using fingers on my hands. They work their ass off! But serious developers would even go and give $99. I don't think I would deny anyone's motives are not for good reasons as such.
Also, the Nokia apps are free - for those who pay for the Lumia. The HTC apps are free - for those who pay for HTC. Anything else, and it is still piracy in my eyes. Nokia wants you to pay for the phone in order to use their apps. These apps are one of the many reasons you would choose one OEM over the other. Same applies to Nokia exclusive apps. It's not an achievement in real sense if we can get Nokia exclusive apps to sideload on other non-Nokia devices. In a way, we are aiding the piracy. It's not piracy only if you think you can pirate only the stuff that needs to have monetary value. To me the price on Nokia apps do exist and it's in the purchase of Lumia handset itself! But then to each it's own.
Yes but isn't that only vaild for a whole year? The Chevron labs was supposed to be premanent wasn't it? So a year after the Dev UN-Lock is gone I guess Apollo will be here and won't need it?
A year of dev unlock on top of Chevron's unlock for X months used so far is technically $9 for over 18-20 months at least! Not unlimited yes, but I will be surprised if those enthusiastic users who have technical know how of unlocking and sideloading would actually be using the same phone after 20 months. By then 2 more iterations of the OS will be with us i.e. nearly Windows Phone 9 which won't support these phones anyway - unlocked or not!
If I used ChevronWP7 unlock to unlock my phone running WP7, I ideally have say HTC Titan right now. 120 days i.e. 4 months from now I should get App Hub so Aug 2012-Aug 2013. We would be looking at Windows Phone 9 around Sept-Oct 2013. What's the point of my HTC Titan which surely won't get WP9 (with all it's features)?? If 10,000 unlockers are so enthusiastic, they should be thankful that now they will get 1 year's worth of chance to actually even make an app and publish it! If they are good developers they might make money out of it. With Chevron unlock there was no publishing, no money making!
Plus chances are Apollo might either be way too secure or way too easy to customize without the need of homebrews. Hence I personally don't see the fuss with Microsoft giving away 1 year's App Hub membership. That is more than the life of current Windows Phone 7.5. Ofcourse unless anyone wants to be using Windows Phone 7.5 in 2013 or 2014. I don't!
Sideloaded Apps?
Like most people here, I wanted the token to be able to sideload apps and customize my Focus. I have sideloaded dozens of homebrew apps and contributed to many of their developers. I have no "pirated" apps on my Focus and would not. My issue with what is happening now is the following:
1. Many token purchasers will be from regions not supported by the App Hub program;
2. The idea that revoking the token will lock us out of homebrew and sideloaded apps that we may have paid for through contributions, is fundamentally unethical and, IMHO, illegal. These are xaps that we sideloaded or downloaded (if you installed xaphandler, through IE or email attachments) legally, many paid for, and are on our phones legitimately. No one has the right to block these xaps from future use, no one.
3. The "solution is not a solution at all for some, and requires us "lending" MS $99. Many of us are unemployed and that $99 is just not practical.
If the revocation of the tokens causes any apps on our devices to cease to function, I urge everyone impacted to consider a class action suit against MS and Chevron Labs. No one has the right to preclude you from using legitimately obtained products for your devices.
Like most people here, I wanted the token to be able to sideload apps and customize my Focus. I have sideloaded dozens of homebrew apps and contributed to many of their developers. I have no "pirated" apps on my Focus and would not. My issue with what is happening now is the following:
1. Many token purchasers will be from regions not supported by the App Hub program;
2. The idea that revoking the token will lock us out of homebrew and sideloaded apps that we may have paid for through contributions, is fundamentally unethical and, IMHO, illegal. These are xaps that we sideloaded or downloaded (if you installed xaphandler, through IE or email attachments) legally, many paid for, and are on our phones legitimately. No one has the right to block these xaps from future use, no one.
3. The "solution is not a solution at all for some, and requires us "lending" MS $99. Many of us are unemployed and that $99 is just not practical.
If the revocation of the tokens causes any apps on our devices to cease to function, I urge everyone impacted to consider a class action suit against MS and Chevron Labs. No one has the right to preclude you from using legitimately obtained products for your devices.
BTW I think this should be highlighted too
ChevronWP7 customers need to sign up within 60 days after April 13, 2012 or ChevronWP7 customers have signed up for App Hub on or after January 1st 2012. - for the free app hub sign up.
ChevronWP7 customers need to sign up within 60 days after April 13, 2012 or ChevronWP7 customers have signed up for App Hub on or after January 1st 2012. - for the free app hub sign up.
^^All of this. Who gives a **** what I side-load? I still bought the damn thing to do whatever I wanted with it (BTW, I only have the screen capture app, but so what...? Chevron didn't say "don't buy this unless you plan on developing" or "this will expire 8 months after you buy it").
You can get a refund!
Guys here is what might help everyone!
If you are unhappy with the fact that there wasn't any expiry date read along..
Carman58 asked
Well I am irritated to say the least !! I'm an active member of Nokia Support Discussions, got the unlock key to use screen capture, which in turn I use to help other users with problems, a picture paints a thousand words and all that. I don't get paid for this, I do it because I enjoy the atmosphere on the forum and like to help people and and this decision just made it harder to do. I also do a little blogging and obviously when using a Windows Phone as the subject of an article using screen shots is an asset ? So finally I would just like to say that after doing a deal with someone I stick to it. This has been my policy in my business dealings for over 30yrs, when I paid for the unlock code, no mention was made that it would simply be deactivated if you changed your mind, my phone is registered as unlocked, why does it have to be deactivated ? Can I have a refund and simply have my phone relocked tonight, or is this a one sided agreement ? I really think this is a very one sided 'agreement' and has frankly left a sour taste in my mouth, not something that encourages me to evangelize about Windows Phone or Microsoft. Oh !!! If I lend you $99 dollars for a couple of months, you'll give me back something I already paid for ? Big deal and not a satisfactory solution to a bad decision, in real life dealing with real people , you've 'cocked' on a deal, in my game you'd lose your reputation and find it hard to deal with people in the future. Don't suppose this comment will have any affect on the situation, however it may have an affect on the relationship of quite a few people with WP &MSFT ?
Rafael R., nut job at Within Windows replied:
We can process a refund, sure. Email us at help@chevronwp7.com with your token. But note, if you forfeit your token, you won't be eligible for the App Hub upgrade.
SO - if you don't want AppHub but want full refund of $9 (even though you've used the token to unlock and use it's benefit for so many months!) - email them and they are ready to refund your money. Relock your phone. or get App Hub for a year.
Guys here is what might help everyone!
If you are unhappy with the fact that there wasn't any expiry date read along..
Carman58 asked
Well I am irritated to say the least !! I'm an active member of Nokia Support Discussions, got the unlock key to use screen capture, which in turn I use to help other users with problems, a picture paints a thousand words and all that. I don't get paid for this, I do it because I enjoy the atmosphere on the forum and like to help people and and this decision just made it harder to do. I also do a little blogging and obviously when using a Windows Phone as the subject of an article using screen shots is an asset ? So finally I would just like to say that after doing a deal with someone I stick to it. This has been my policy in my business dealings for over 30yrs, when I paid for the unlock code, no mention was made that it would simply be deactivated if you changed your mind, my phone is registered as unlocked, why does it have to be deactivated ? Can I have a refund and simply have my phone relocked tonight, or is this a one sided agreement ? I really think this is a very one sided 'agreement' and has frankly left a sour taste in my mouth, not something that encourages me to evangelize about Windows Phone or Microsoft. Oh !!! If I lend you $99 dollars for a couple of months, you'll give me back something I already paid for ? Big deal and not a satisfactory solution to a bad decision, in real life dealing with real people , you've 'cocked' on a deal, in my game you'd lose your reputation and find it hard to deal with people in the future. Don't suppose this comment will have any affect on the situation, however it may have an affect on the relationship of quite a few people with WP &MSFT ?
Rafael R., nut job at Within Windows replied:
We can process a refund, sure. Email us at help@chevronwp7.com with your token. But note, if you forfeit your token, you won't be eligible for the App Hub upgrade.
SO - if you don't want AppHub but want full refund of $9 (even though you've used the token to unlock and use it's benefit for so many months!) - email them and they are ready to refund your money. Relock your phone. or get App Hub for a year.
Has anyone that bought Chevron Unlock actually paid for the AppHub subscription? I'm trying to see how long it's taking to be refunded the money. That's my only concern....a hundred bucks that I don't feel like lending
Has anyone that bought Chevron Unlock actually paid for the AppHub subscription? I'm trying to see how long it's taking to be refunded the money. That's my only concern....a hundred bucks that I don't feel like lending
The website site says it'll take a few months for the refund to process.
I bit the bullet and paid the 100$. I saw in the Chevron labs website that the refund is automatic, and will be in a few months. That was good enough for me.
Q: How long does it take to receive a refund?
A: All eligible refunds will be processed monthly 60 days after April 13, 2012. It may take up to 60 additional days for the refund to appear on your credit card statement.
http://www.chevronwp7.com/
I am going to lend them my $99.
A: All eligible refunds will be processed monthly 60 days after April 13, 2012. It may take up to 60 additional days for the refund to appear on your credit card statement.
http://www.chevronwp7.com/
I am going to lend them my $99.
Was there ever a direct statement that read this would be permanent? Or are all you divas just *****ing like you always do on these forums when something isn't exactly how you want it? AppHub memberships are a year long, these tokens being time limited makes sense
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Name calling the "divas" doesn't change the fact that ChevronTexaco charged people $9 for a sideloading unlocker ....some of you self-righteousness people pass judgment on those sideloading Nokia apps on an HTC phone is a thief but never mentioned the folks that took $9 from 10,000 people whom, if they choose, can wait 2 months for a refund.....some of you gladly posting you paid $99 or loaned it, can't wait to try YOUR app....what's next, are you self righteous people going to the Leo forum and calling the dual booters thieves?
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No, I'm not developing my a** off (still struggling to learn code, not easy @ my age with a job that has me nowhere near a pc) and yes I did buy unlocker to sideload apps: homebrew apps such as touchxperience, folders,etc.
As I understood it the unlocker was a tool for enthusiasts who were not ready for apphub submission, because with the unlocker you could not submit to the marketplace it was intended for homebrew, not to line Microsoft's coffers.
I am pretty much an end user and have not used the unlocker to pirate apps. I have used it to enhance the experience of WP7 with features that should have been included with the os in the first place.
I might have to bite on the apphub just to keep my level of customization.
As I understood it the unlocker was a tool for enthusiasts who were not ready for apphub submission, because with the unlocker you could not submit to the marketplace it was intended for homebrew, not to line Microsoft's coffers.
I am pretty much an end user and have not used the unlocker to pirate apps. I have used it to enhance the experience of WP7 with features that should have been included with the os in the first place.
I might have to bite on the apphub just to keep my level of customization.
I agree wholeheartedly, and I'm an end user....I paid $9 just to take screenshots....I've had my Schubert since December 2010, I've followed EVERY HD7 thread, I'm 32gb and ChevronTexaco unlocked....now look at the dude above my other post...he has dual booted HD2 in his signature, yet he proudly calls people putting Nokia apps on an HTC or Samsung phones thieves .....pot, meet kettle.....bottom line is the ChevronTexaco guys put this out and it was free, then Microsoft hired them and they became company men, period....I'll be getting a refund or filing a PayPal dispute.
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I agree..I saw his sig. too when I was posting earlier...I did not want to point it out and cause a fiasco...
Yeah, this whole mess is quite ridiculous; I had to pay $9 to ChevronWP7 unlock my Focus & my Focus S, then interop-unlock them just so I could do basic things like change my text alert notification sound and change tile/theme colors - stuff you should ALREADY be able to do without having to hack your phone! And now they want to relock my phone so I can't use my custom text alert notification or tile/theme colors unless I lend them $99, which I don't really have at the moment, for about two months?!!
Maybe I should go buy a Samsung Galaxy S II (or III, which is coming out shortly), go back to Android & install Launcher 7 Pro, so that I have a phone with the look of Windows Phone 7/7.5, with ALL the customization I want WITHOUT having to hack my phone or pay $99! The Galaxy S II would probably only cost me a bit more than the $99 MS wants me to lend them (yeah, I know I'll get that $99 back, but I'll be able to sell the Galaxy S II when I want to get a new phone)!
I don't really want to do that; I came to Windows Phone because I liked the interface better, but this is REALLY turning me off to the whole thing!
Way to promote Windows Phone, Microsoft!
Dennis
Maybe I should go buy a Samsung Galaxy S II (or III, which is coming out shortly), go back to Android & install Launcher 7 Pro, so that I have a phone with the look of Windows Phone 7/7.5, with ALL the customization I want WITHOUT having to hack my phone or pay $99! The Galaxy S II would probably only cost me a bit more than the $99 MS wants me to lend them (yeah, I know I'll get that $99 back, but I'll be able to sell the Galaxy S II when I want to get a new phone)!
I don't really want to do that; I came to Windows Phone because I liked the interface better, but this is REALLY turning me off to the whole thing!
Way to promote Windows Phone, Microsoft!
Dennis
Cool Story Bro.
No one give a ****.
You go and buy yourself an Android if you want customization. I would rather thank the Chevron Team for their unlock tool and their hard work to give us a free one year of premium membership with only $9 instead of $99 and it is a full unlock from Microsoft.
You bought a Windows Phone and now you are crying because it can't be customized easily, so you are a bad buyer who don't even know which is a good buy or bad buy for yourself. Congratulation.
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2I know some people are upset about the Chevron deal, and likewise I know others feel the Chevron team are unjustly being blamed for it, but, there's still no excuse for attacking others who are just voicing their opinions and venting.
If you don't agree with someone please either reply like a normal person or just move on to something else.1What the hell man, this is just crazy what is Microsoft thinking? This will only drive more people away from the platform and will keep phone sales at the rate they are now or lower. Who in the world wants to pay $99 a year just to be able to customize a phone? I personally do currently pay the $99 but will stop soon this is just a death sentence for Windows phone, really someone over at MS gets fired over this.1
You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.1I don't mind the side loading. I mind the people coming in here to ***** about not having any way to load stolen software into their phone... Its just pathetic. I would understand if you're developing your ass off, but you're stealing... C'mon...
Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express1Sideloaded Apps?
Like most people here, I wanted the token to be able to sideload apps and customize my Focus. I have sideloaded dozens of homebrew apps and contributed to many of their developers. I have no "pirated" apps on my Focus and would not. My issue with what is happening now is the following:
1. Many token purchasers will be from regions not supported by the App Hub program;
2. The idea that revoking the token will lock us out of homebrew and sideloaded apps that we may have paid for through contributions, is fundamentally unethical and, IMHO, illegal. These are xaps that we sideloaded or downloaded (if you installed xaphandler, through IE or email attachments) legally, many paid for, and are on our phones legitimately. No one has the right to block these xaps from future use, no one.
3. The "solution is not a solution at all for some, and requires us "lending" MS $99. Many of us are unemployed and that $99 is just not practical.
If the revocation of the tokens causes any apps on our devices to cease to function, I urge everyone impacted to consider a class action suit against MS and Chevron Labs. No one has the right to preclude you from using legitimately obtained products for your devices.
