GPS Dongle...do i really need it?

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almightywhacko

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FOr xformer Prime, do I really need the GPS dongle or would the GPS work w/o it?

If you want to be able to rely on your Prime for navigation assistance then yes you need the GPS dongle. GPS will not work reliably without it, if it did they wouldn't need to manufacture and freely distribute a dongle now would they?

Also.. its free. So even if you never use it, it is worth signing up for and getting just in case you do need or or you want to sell your tablet sometime in the future.
 

rorytmeadows

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Where have you been? The internal GPS has never worked on anyone's Prime since they started shipping in December. Asus even removed it from their advertising.

For the record, I decided to test the GPS on my Prime today while the weather was warm. This after I checked my serial number of the device: C1 by the way...
Walked outside and stood 10 feet away from my front door. Less than 10 seconds and a lock. I walked around a bit and walked back into the house and it was still locked.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
 

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el_chiefo

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That's because you are / were connected to your home router which gives the prime your location based on IP. A better test would be to disconnect WIFI, disable location services and reboot, then test. You probably wont get the same results
 

rorytmeadows

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That's because you are / were connected to your home router which gives the prime your location based on IP. A better test would be to disconnect WIFI, disable location services and reboot, then test. You probably wont get the same results

You're right! Now answer me this: why would I ever turn that off in the real world?

Google has mapped millions of Wifi SSIDs to assist with this very same thing. Half of all telephony GPS devices would have the same difficulty without it (especially since Google leases this information to Microsoft and Apple), my MyTouch 4G Slide included. Why would I not keep location services on?



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beekay201

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I will happily sign up for that dongle, but not without i see my screen light-bleed free. Made up my mind to be without it for a few weeks, maybe a month. If it takes longer than that, i'll ask for another one at the store.
 

xGary

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You're right! Now answer me this: why would I ever turn that off in the real world?

Google has mapped millions of Wifi SSIDs to assist with this very same thing. Half of all telephony GPS devices would have the same difficulty without it (especially since Google leases this information to Microsoft and Apple), my MyTouch 4G Slide included. Why would I not keep location services on?



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Why would you need gps if you had wifi? To check where in the house you are? Or which section of McDonald's you're in? If a device needs wifi for the "gps" to work then they might as well not call it a gps cause my Desktop can triangulate my position with wifi.
 

rorytmeadows

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Why would you need gps if you had wifi? To check where in the house you are? Or which section of McDonald's you're in? If a device needs wifi for the "gps" to work then they might as well not call it a gps cause my Desktop can triangulate my position with wifi.

Who cares?

If the problem is solved because Wifi assists the GPS in finding a lock, then who cares? GPS in small devices isn't always going to work. I learned that 10 years ago when they sold only GPS USB dongles and it took forever to get a good lock. Turning Wifi on takes care of the issue.

Look, I get it. We all want our devices to work perfectly. My desktop doesn't handle two video cards easily. My video card doesn't handle TV relay (like Slingbox) well. My phone doesn't have a dedicated number row on the slide out keyboard. My A500 was a bit bulky. My Sony BluRay speaker system sometimes has a delay. My Insignia LED TV doesn't handle Xbox great. My Astro A40s bleed through batteries.

Welcome to technology. If you don't work in IT, let me give you a heads up: nothing ever works 100%, 100% of the time.

Just consider yourself lucky it's the GPS with your tablet, something so absurd to make use of on a tablet anyway.

And if you're still bothered by the whole "Asus sold us a load of crap" concern, well, this is life. This won't be the last time that happens. And honestly, I agree with that other poster; if it didn't have GPS in the description or on the package, would you have refused to buy it? Google's ingenious SSID mapping has made geolocation so much faster and efficient (unless you live in the backwoods).

I'm sorry, I don't aim to be mean or anything, but this is ridiculous. It's semantics. If it works, it works. Is the world going to end because you have to turn on Wifi to lock quicker?

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
 
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al mon

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Anyone else having problems with ASUS' quality website where it doesn't recognize your serial number?

I swear, ASUS sucks at customer service and I think the PRIME is my last ASUS product ever. Unfortunate.
 

Windiddy

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im just asking bc I have a Sgt10.1 and looking to upgrade. I wouldn't like to buy a defective product. I can't decide to get prime or ipad3.
 

rorytmeadows

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im just asking bc I have a Sgt10.1 and looking to upgrade. I wouldn't like to buy a defective product. I can't decide to get prime or ipad3.

It turns out, if you're a normal human being and don't mind running Wifi alongside your GPS (like most people run their phones), you'll be absolutely perfect. Only if you're a stickler for no reason will you have a problem.

I am learning over the past 24 hours that people are making a big deal over GPS because they are too stubborn to make the modern-era change of running Wifi alongside GPS. If you have no problem doing that (like a normal person), then you'll be perfectly fine.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
 
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al mon

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Buy and ipad3. Stay away from the TF201. It sucks in many ways, the only good thing it has going for it is the quad core and the screen. Wi-fi - SUCKS, GPS - SUCKS.

I don't mind that GPS sucks (actually never ever got a lock on once), but when Wi-Fi sucks when you are 10 feet from the router. That's a huge problem. I cannot even sit on my sofa and use the TF201. My Xooms, no problem. I can even go 70ft away with the Xoom and no problem. TF201, about 4 1/2 feet then it takes a DUMP.

For the price the ipad3 will give you a much better user experience. TF201 as far as I am concerned is a defect. LEMON.

ASUS won't even let me click to get the free dongle.
 
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It turns out, if you're a normal human being and don't mind running Wifi alongside your GPS (like most people run their phones), you'll be absolutely perfect. Only if you're a stickler for no reason will you have a problem.

I am learning over the past 24 hours that people are making a big deal over GPS because they are too stubborn to make the modern-era change of running Wifi alongside GPS. If you have no problem doing that (like a normal person), then you'll be perfectly fine.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201

I totally agree! I personally don't see what the big deal is. I get a location lock when using Google Maps, as an example. I don't see why anyone needs to have a constant gps lock all of the time. I'm not getting it. I have my Rezound and Tom Tom if I need door to door direction.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk 2
 

xGary

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Who cares?

If the problem is solved because Wifi assists the GPS in finding a lock, then who cares? GPS in small devices isn't always going to work. I learned that 10 years ago when they sold only GPS USB dongles and it took forever to get a good lock. Turning Wifi on takes care of the issue.

Look, I get it. We all want our devices to work perfectly. My desktop doesn't handle two video cards easily. My video card doesn't handle TV relay (like Slingbox) well. My phone doesn't have a dedicated number row on the slide out keyboard. My A500 was a bit bulky. My Sony BluRay speaker system sometimes has a delay. My Insignia LED TV doesn't handle Xbox great. My Astro A40s bleed through batteries.

Welcome to technology. If you don't work in IT, let me give you a heads up: nothing ever works 100%, 100% of the time.

Just consider yourself lucky it's the GPS with your tablet, something so absurd to make use of on a tablet anyway.

And if you're still bothered by the whole "Asus sold us a load of crap" concern, well, this is life. This won't be the last time that happens. And honestly, I agree with that other poster; if it didn't have GPS in the description or on the package, would you have refused to buy it? Google's ingenious SSID mapping has made geolocation so much faster and efficient (unless you live in the backwoods).

I'm sorry, I don't aim to be mean or anything, but this is ridiculous. It's semantics. If it works, it works. Is the world going to end because you have to turn on Wifi to lock quicker?

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201

That is stupid. Do you work for ASUS? If the tablet didn't have a camera would I still have bought it? Yes. But if I bought it and they told me "lol the camera is actually fake, we didn't think you would use it." then would I give them hell for it? Yes. As far as I know, people use gps on their phones for turn by turn without internet and it works fine. So I am not sure what you mean by gps won't always work in small devices. As far as I am concerned the TFP is bigger than many GPS devices on the market.

BTW, there is a difference between needing wifi to get a faster lock (aka AGPS) versus using wifi to triangulate one's position (aka the internet). I don't get what your deal is that just because you don't use the gps on the tablet then you think that it is absurd. If no one uses it then why did they put gps on the tablet in the first place? Why does Apple put gps on their 3G iPads if no one uses them?

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I am learning over the past 24 hours that people are making a big deal over GPS because they are too stubborn to make the modern-era change of running Wifi alongside GPS. If you have no problem doing that (like a normal person), then you'll be perfectly fine.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201

That is tragic. Looks like the modern era is actually degrading. I guess eventually we will have to connect our phones to a cable to make a phone call and then start writing each other letters. Looks like we rather burn the battery and data on our phone unlike the abnormal people who have phones with gps that actually receives signals from satellites rather than using wifi to triangulate the position.

---------- Post added at 07:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:52 AM ----------

I totally agree! I personally don't see what the big deal is. I get a location lock when using Google Maps, as an example. I don't see why anyone needs to have a constant gps lock all of the time. I'm not getting it. I have my Rezound and Tom Tom if I need door to door direction.

Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk 2

Yea you personally don't. But don't talk for others.
 
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    Why would you need gps if you had wifi? To check where in the house you are? Or which section of McDonald's you're in? If a device needs wifi for the "gps" to work then they might as well not call it a gps cause my Desktop can triangulate my position with wifi.

    Who cares?

    If the problem is solved because Wifi assists the GPS in finding a lock, then who cares? GPS in small devices isn't always going to work. I learned that 10 years ago when they sold only GPS USB dongles and it took forever to get a good lock. Turning Wifi on takes care of the issue.

    Look, I get it. We all want our devices to work perfectly. My desktop doesn't handle two video cards easily. My video card doesn't handle TV relay (like Slingbox) well. My phone doesn't have a dedicated number row on the slide out keyboard. My A500 was a bit bulky. My Sony BluRay speaker system sometimes has a delay. My Insignia LED TV doesn't handle Xbox great. My Astro A40s bleed through batteries.

    Welcome to technology. If you don't work in IT, let me give you a heads up: nothing ever works 100%, 100% of the time.

    Just consider yourself lucky it's the GPS with your tablet, something so absurd to make use of on a tablet anyway.

    And if you're still bothered by the whole "Asus sold us a load of crap" concern, well, this is life. This won't be the last time that happens. And honestly, I agree with that other poster; if it didn't have GPS in the description or on the package, would you have refused to buy it? Google's ingenious SSID mapping has made geolocation so much faster and efficient (unless you live in the backwoods).

    I'm sorry, I don't aim to be mean or anything, but this is ridiculous. It's semantics. If it works, it works. Is the world going to end because you have to turn on Wifi to lock quicker?

    Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
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    FOr xformer Prime, do I really need the GPS dongle or would the GPS work w/o it?

    I don't and won't need it, but signed up today to get it. I may want to sell my Prime in the future and having it might make that easier.
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    im just asking bc I have a Sgt10.1 and looking to upgrade. I wouldn't like to buy a defective product. I can't decide to get prime or ipad3.

    It turns out, if you're a normal human being and don't mind running Wifi alongside your GPS (like most people run their phones), you'll be absolutely perfect. Only if you're a stickler for no reason will you have a problem.

    I am learning over the past 24 hours that people are making a big deal over GPS because they are too stubborn to make the modern-era change of running Wifi alongside GPS. If you have no problem doing that (like a normal person), then you'll be perfectly fine.

    Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201
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    Who cares?

    If the problem is solved because Wifi assists the GPS in finding a lock, then who cares? GPS in small devices isn't always going to work. I learned that 10 years ago when they sold only GPS USB dongles and it took forever to get a good lock. Turning Wifi on takes care of the issue.
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    I'm sorry, I don't aim to be mean or anything, but this is ridiculous. It's semantics. If it works, it works. Is the world going to end because you have to turn on Wifi to lock quicker?

    Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201

    Why do you only use GPS when connected to WiFi?

    Do you ever use your GPS when on the road, boat, train or at best, tethered? Google's SSID mapping doesn't help in either of those situations and is the reason I would like the GPS that I paid for to work.

    Your attitude, while fine for helping you make peace with disappointing purchases is good.. for you. Some of us value our money and if we are going to spend $500 for a piece of aluminum and glass, we would like it to perform as we expected it to when we made the buying decision.