Community Engagement

scifitrekkie · Jun 21, 2012

One thing amazes me, is how fast Moderators act to close threads because someone says he "kanged me"..

In New Zealand we have a law "innocent until proven guilty" (probably applies to numerous other countries as well).

Should threads not remain open to the "Community" until this is either proven or disproved one way or the other!!!!

Hang in there CoreDroid

Russ741 · Jun 21, 2012

scifitrekkie said:
One thing amazes me, is how fast Moderators act to close threads because someone says he "kanged me"..

In New Zealand we have a law "innocent until proven guilty" (probably applies to numerous other countries as well).

Should threads not remain open to the "Community" until this is either proven or disproved one way or the other!!!!

Hang in there CoreDroid

XDA follows the same dogma and just as the police in NZ, UK, USA or any other rational nation would do, if you were accused of committing crimes you would be locked up (closed)until the authorities sorted it out.

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mf2112 said:
Excellent points Russ, I agree with all, but the last one could be expanded more accurately by replacing "XDA" with "Internet". This is going on everywhere. No respect, no common decency, no manners. People feel free to say things they would NEVER say to someones face.

You are of course correct, except I have no personal connection to the internet. What people say to each other there is only a sad reflection of where our civilization is going. I have a personal vested interest in XDA, part of what XDA is are the rules I wrote so when I see out of control self empowered teens taking advantage of XDA I am personally offended. What people say or do on the rest of the internet is what it is.

DanteGR · Jun 21, 2012

Russ said it better than anyone I believe.
Well the thing is this.
Permission to use another dev's work should always be asked. Period.
But does that mean that u cannot develop the work that u have borrowed from another dev?
Is there a contract or a law somewhere that states "you can use another dev's work by getting permission first but you cannot develop on it"?
This is what real development is imho.
To put it in the specific situation now.
Sergio asked Jan's permission and included the tweaks in the CD rom. Then he developped the tweaks and (maybe?) made a better tweaks mod.
Now Jan could develop from there and make even better tweaks and so forth.
I understand and fully respect that Jan was the first one making the tweaks. I had praised him in the past and of course rated his thread with 5* (btw what is this obssession with rating i cannot understand but still..)
What is beyond me is the fact that no-one can build on the tweaks to make them better other than Jan.
I love Jan's work and I love Sergio's work and Lee's and Mike's and every single dev's here. After all they do this in their free time with no great benefit for them. Just the love of the users here. And they ALL deserve it.
First time I came on these forums about 18 months ago the thing that stood out to me most was the great sharing going on. And to tell u the truth right now I am dumbfounded about this whole situation.
Come on people the purpose here is sharing, sharing and more sharing (with credit given to everyone involved ofcourse)!
And that's what is all about!
Sharing with the man next to you

Just my 2c

shrome99 · Jun 21, 2012

wnp_79 said:
I think that the issue arises from what constitutes unfair advantage taken of another's work, passed off as your own.

I'm not saying that any work put up on XDA is fair game for anyone to take, re-badge, and then pass off as his or her own work. Far from it. Respect should be given to the hard work put in by the original author, and permission should always be sought and appropriate credit given if that is what is to happen.

But if there is only one way source code can be modified to carry out certain commands or changes, then can a developer who first wrote those changes, claim sole ownership of those command lines?

If a developer asks permission to use someone else's work, and permission is denied, fair enough. That developer has then to carry the work out himself. To put the time and the effort in to code his own version, instead of getting a free ride from another developer's hard work by employing the crtl+C & ctrl+V approach.

If that is then done, what if the original author goes to the moderators and says, "Look, his changes to the source code match mine here and here!"

Well of course they will.

And without proper appreciation of the abilities of the accused, it could easily be presented as a Kang. That does not, in my opinion, necessarily constitute one.

This is where judgement needs to be taken using Moderation. Hence moderators are sometimes required to step in. Moderation for me would mean not just comparing changes, but assessing if the accused has the ability to have made those himself. Was there another way to have made them? To what degree can one person claim sole ownership to an idea? Where do XDA draw the line that best respects both the hard work of the developers as individuals, and the benefit of the community as a whole.

If a developer does the work himself, then perhaps credit should be given to the original author for the 'inspiration' or 'original concept' maybe. But not be accused of plagiarism. Then as long as that stays on XDA where that inspiration was taken from, so everyone can benefit from it, then isn't that in the best interests of this community?

After reading the entire thread, this was exactly what was on my mind, couldn't have said it better myself. Take this thread for example - http://bit.ly/KkFyFc (quote from the OP) -

scrosler said:
Share and Share a like!

Please feel free to distribute these in your ROMS or further modify them to you liking!

If you add battery icons and other cool stuff share it with everyone!

These are for everyone and no need to ask me permission to use them!

When was the last time you read something like this on XDA? In the one year i spent here, I haven't. scrosler said he thinks that if you don't want people to use your work, why share it on the internet?

Granted, it isn't possible to make all the stuff on XDA free to copy by anyone who wants to do so, mostly because of the fact that many people would just make minor changes to some files, and advertise it as their own. In this case, the users can't differentiate between the two ROMs, and may end up with the copied version.

Another case is that a dev actually makes good use of others' work. He, may theme every single aspect of the ROM, change the green color in Sense to blue, and end up with a completely different version. This ROM for example is based off capychimp's RcMix 4.0, which is clear from the thread title. The original dev wouldn't mind something like this, and it would benefit the end users by providing them choice. Those who like blue can use the themed ROM, and those who don't, can use the stock version. Shouldn't such work be promoted??

Instead, we see stuff like what happened last week, the CoreDroid thread was closed, and Sergio's well-deserved title RD was taken away, and for what, because something they made was similar to that made by someone else. It would be justified to take action against someone who blatantly copied one's work, disregarding all the rules, but doing this just because they "stole someone's ideas"?

benjamin.j.goodwin · Jun 21, 2012

I think a point we have briefly mentioned but not completely acknowledged is XDA itself and how it's used.

XDA wasn't always the biggest site for development and probably won't always be, but I think it is quite clear hopefully we can all agree that it is at the moment. So how? Well other than the growing popularity alone XDA has had to change and adapt to users 'wants' and 'needs'. Whether we like it or not, the general populous is sold to 24/7 from the moment they open their eyes and all forms of society feel now that you need to 'sell' whatever for it to be accepted. Have a troll through some forums and that's exactly what is happening here and I think it is merely a react to a 'demand' seen from the new 'generation'. Thread titles act as a small platform to engage the user to your thread; shouldn't it just tell you what's in the thread as title should - Does it really need to state it's the fast, best, most improved, best etc. Do you really know that for every user it is anyway? Then go to the threads themselves, many users demand extra 'wanting', 'needing' many different things not understanding this is a community to share the work you do outside your own life. (I do understand that this isn't every user but this number is growing).

When I first used this site I remember feeling frustrated at times if the said base I was using had bugs and/or wasn't updated to quash these but I didn't go and flame, scream about it I either choose another where the individual had more time, lived with the bug(s) OR I found a way to fix it myself. But I always understood and appreciated that this is no ones job and they should not be constrained in to feeling that they need to 'keep up with demand' and sell their work. You are just sharing what you enjoy to have on your own handset.

There is one rule that is being regularly dismissed these days and that's comparing developers work on their various threads, disrespecting the work they do. We need XDA to quash and hammer these things down (yes I know it's hard) so those of us that develop and/or have titles continue to set the right example.

XDA needs to give us the right guidelines but we have to provide the right attitude. We need a message sent clear of what this site is about and that will take XDA and the higher members to set the example so the newer members follow.

KidCarter93 · Jun 21, 2012

I couldn't agree more with the majority of what has been said in this thread. At the end of the day, if no dev was ever to have shared the work they had done, we would have none of the hacks and mods we have today. All these great roms, phone tweaks etc etc, wouldn't be around if something hadn't been shared originally, because then others couldn't have added their bits to it and so on.
Granted, I can understand why devs would want to be credited for the work they originally put into it, but the way I see it, there's absolutely no reason why they should be saying people can't use their work.
XDA will just continue to go downhill if this kind of attitude carries on and that is the last thing any of us want to happen

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roofrider · Jun 21, 2012

It's great to see a few Devs saying Share.

Today there is a need for more clear cut rules for developers, any Dev (with RD title or not) who refuses to share his source code (n he did not write it from scratch) should be charged with felony.

The problem today is xda is filled with teens.

I envy those few when they say "I miss the old XDA", what did i do to not deserve it?
Sharing and Respect. I'm all for it.

j4n87 · Jun 21, 2012

Well, let me post something here as well.

Regarding sharing of my tweaks stuff:

Before I started to create our team and provide my own rom theres was an Tweaks app developed by my called leedroid tweaks.
This one I provided for public use and all devs that asked got the permission to use if after oe week of the official release to ensure that I got some activity in my thread and themers/devs dont include one hour later in all their roms and my thread don't get the deserved attention.

This tweaks app was developed my ME on the base of romanbbs desire hd tweaks...but well, besides the miui battery bar/battery tweaks all smali stuff needed to be rewritten by me..but well I dont claim them mine though.
I spent weeks and month to develop those stuff for several devices - Htc Evo 3D Cdma/gsm, htc sensation, Htc rezound, htc vivid, htc flyer, tc evo view 4g..without even having the device. My motivation? Sharing my stuff and contribute something xda.
Lots of devs included those tweaks and I granted for then 30-40 devs to include them...even most zip modders.

Since I got my own rom I discontinued my leedroid tweaks project, because it would be too time consuming to support them as well...my private life/freetime sucks already just with supporting the rom properly.

If you wanna have your own tweaks app...use my old leedroid tweaks as base and not the current from our roms...
And if you are able to implement stuff yourself then do it, if not..then dont just kang it by ctrl+c and ctrl+v.
FYI: ...still permissions required to use it and credits needs still to be given.

Your rom should present your skills and work you are able to do and not a ****load of copy paste stuff which you can find in the forums.

And tbh I couldnt be proud of my rom when I just using work of others in my roms...and this also has nothing to do with developing.

Keep in mind that we are on xda-developers and proper development should be supported and not 100 x 1:1 copys of the work of others. The proper developers make your experience of the device different and you should respect their work and not stamp with your feet on it...and risk that the developer even considers to leave xda.

You also dont want, that someone takes your rom, changes some build.prop entrys and release it under under a different name maybe weven without giving credits..you would go insane too if that would gonna happen I bet.
We all spending lots of our freetime and passion in our work and none of them deserves it to be offended by kanging their work.
It's just disrespectful...

MadCobbler · Jun 21, 2012

j4n87 said:
Well, let me post something here as well.

Regarding sharing of my tweaks stuff:

Before I started to create our team and provide my own rom theres was an Tweaks app developed by my called leedroid tweaks.
This one I provided for public use and all devs that asked got the permission to use if after oe week of the official release to ensure that I got some activity in my thread and themers/devs dont include one hour later in all their roms and my thread don't get the deserved attention.

This tweaks app was developed my ME on the base of romanbbs desire hd tweaks...but well, besides the miui battery bar/battery tweaks all smali stuff needed to be rewritten by me..but well I dont claim them mine though.
I spent weeks and month to develop those stuff for several devices - Htc Evo 3D Cdma/gsm, htc sensation, Htc rezound, htc vivid, htc flyer, tc evo view 4g..without even having the device. My motivation? Sharing my stuff and contribute something xda.
Lots of devs included those tweaks and I granted for then 30-40 devs to include them...even most zip modders.

Since I got my own rom I discontinued my leedroid tweaks project, because it would be too time consuming to support them as well...my private life/freetime sucks already just with supporting the rom properly.

If you wanna have your own tweaks app...use my old leedroid tweaks as base and not the current from our roms...
And if you are able to implement stuff yourself then do it, if not..then dont just kang it by ctrl+c and ctrl+v.
FYI: ...still permissions required to use it and credits needs still to be given.

Your rom should present your skills and work you are able to do and not a ****load of copy paste stuff which you can find in the forums.

And tbh I couldnt be proud of my rom when I just using work of others in my roms...and this also has nothing to do with developing.

Keep in mind that we are on xda-developers and proper development should be supported and not 100 x 1:1 copys of the work of others. The proper developers make your experience of the device different and you should respect their work and not stamp with your feet on it...and risk that the developer even considers to leave xda.

You also dont want, that someone takes your rom, changes some build.prop entrys and release it under under a different name maybe weven without giving credits..you would go insane too if that would gonna happen I bet.
We all spending lots of our freetime and passion in our work and none of them deserves it to be offended by kanging their work.
It's just disrespectful...

I totally agree, a dev/rom maker should always give credit where credit is due.... but Russ also made the best point... if there is only one way to do something, eventually loads of people are gonna end up at the same point, using the 'same code/smali edits' to get to what they want done, this doesn't mean they copied your work, it just means they they ended up with the same conclusion as you, 'that is the only way to get it done'

At the end of the day its all very confusing territory, there is no distinct black and white just lots of grey areas and there are some people that use the grey areas to their advantage...

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j4n87 · Jun 21, 2012

[vertigo] said:
I totally agree, a dev/rom maker should always give credit where credit is due.... but Russ also made the best point... if there is only one way to do something, eventually loads of people are gonna end up at the same point, using the 'same code/smali edits' to get to what they want done, this doesn't mean they copied your work, it just means they they ended up with the same conclusion as you, 'that is the only way to get it done'

At the end of the day its all very confusing territory, there is no distinct black and white just lots of grey areas and there are some people that use the grey areas to their advantage...

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Well, let me explain something about programming/smali:

If you got an idea, you can implement it in 99% in several different ways...if you cant it just shows that you are not able/have the knowledge to write it yourself. And when you dont have it, you cant help youself out by just kanging it.

Take a look at romansbb code and mine...most of them is implemented by me in another way..the smali doesnt look similar in any way.

Indeed there are some minor things in smali that cant be really implemented different. Let me give you an example:

enabling landscape mode in rosie:

the feature is already given by htc and just deacivated ba a build flag.
you can bypass that buildflag by simply hardcode it by returning
const/4 vNumber, 0x1 before the return statment.

If you want to toggle it you have to write a bit more code..but still theres not much space left to write it much different...but there would be still space to to it.
Theres really no point to claim such simple code by a dev..and I dont do it.

But when m0narx or I implement stuff like hiding icons in rosie, choosing a background color/transparency or a backgroundimage for appdrawer/notification pulldown or adding longpres actions to some capacitive keys + remapping on the fly there are hundreds of possibilties to implement it in another way...and this didnt happen in the last kang.
Most of our implemented features requires not just 20 lines of smali code..and theres no way that each of that lines look 1:1 the same if you implement that idea yourself.
I know, iff you are not a programmer its difficult understand, but I know from what I'm talking and its no **** (-:

DutchDanny · Jun 21, 2012

j4n87 said:
Well, let me explain something about programming/smali:

If you got an idea, you can implement it in 99% in several different ways...if you cant it just shows that you are not able/have the knowledge to write it yourself. And when you dont have it, you cant help youself out by just kanging it.

Take a look at romansbb code and mine...most of them is implemented by me in another way..the smali doesnt look similar in any way.

Indeed there are some minor things in smali that cant be really implemented different. Let me give you an example:

enabling landscape mode in rosie:

the feature is already given by htc and just deacivated ba a build flag.
you can bypass that buildflag by simply hardcode it by returning
const/4 vNumber, 0x1 before the return statment.

If you want to toggle it you have to write a bit more code..but still theres not much space left to write it much different...but there would be still space to to it.
Theres really no point to claim such simple code by a dev..and I dont do it.

But when m0narx or I implement stuff like hiding icons in rosie, choosing a background color/transparency or a backgroundimage for appdrawer/notification pulldown or adding longpres actions to some capacitive keys + remapping on the fly there are hundreds of possibilties to implement it in another way...and this didnt happen in the last kang.
Most of our implemented features requires not just 20 lines of smali code..and theres no way that each of that lines look 1:1 the same if you implement that idea yourself.
I know, iff you are not a programmer its difficult understand, but I know from what I'm talking and its no **** (-:

But why is it so hard to share.
Most devs don't mind giving credits.

My point of this thread is about sharing, and I still wonder why?

If you could/would like to answer that...
And give me/us the enlightenment on your thoughts.

Tnx

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roofrider · Jun 21, 2012

@j4n87

But at the end of the day developers are developers and they own the kangers. Users can tell the difference between the 2, if not they are n00bs and u'll much happy if they don't use ur rom.
I just feel Developing, Sharing, and Mutual Respect goes a long way. It's for the greater good.

Edit: btw DutchDanny i'm out of thanks.

Goku80 · Jun 21, 2012

DutchDanny said:
But why is it so hard to share.
Most devs don't mind giving credits.

My point of this thread is about sharing, and I still wonder why?

If you could/would like to answer that...
And give me/us the enlightenment on your thoughts.

Tnx

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Danny the thing is mate if you created something awesome and it took you days to create even weeks, would you be happy to share with others? would you not want your rom to stand out more by having that app for yourself instead of sharing? cause if you share then most roms would end up being mostly the same. and this is not to offend any devs but the only roms that do stand out from the rest is cm9 which is build from scratch. yes you have different themes over most roms and that way some stand out from the rest. but deep down under all the skins you still have the same thing as the rest. were Jan took it that extra step ahead.

Jan has created something special for his rom. I can only understand the logic behind the reasons he does not want to share.

But maybe as a way round this if he was to share his work then why not add in the tweaks app that the donate button should go to Jan and his team. So that way not only he gets credit for the work but people can donate for the awesome work and maybe with donations and support the tweaks app could get better and bigger that is just another thought and way round it

it goes both ways though...i think what people forgetting is the word respect. that is what everything comes down to

shrome99 · Jun 21, 2012

@j4n87 - Let me start by saying that even if some here people may dislike you as a person, EVERYONE who knows about them respects your tweaks. I agree that LeeDroid Tweaks was a pretty big deal. You gave permission to other devs to use it, and now, almost all the ROMs for the supported devices use them. You probably didn't want the PKMN tweaks to become so ubiquitous, so you don't give permission to others to use them. You want the people who use them to know that your team made them, and spend a lot of time on it.

The thing you don't take into consideration is that themed ROMs like CoreDroid have a completely different user-base. There is a very small chance that people who like such ROMs would ever use stock-themed ROMs, like yours, because they just hate the green colouring scheme by HTC. Now, this is not a small change in the ROM, such stuff requires a LOT of PNG edits, and probably takes as much time to implement as it took for you to make your tweaks. Why, then would you not permit them to use your tweaks, when it would just increase the number of people with access to them? And what about devices that you don't (and probably don't plan to) support? Why should they not get to use your tweaks?

Think of it this way - you already have a credits tab in your tweaks app, allow other people to use it without messing with that tab, as long as they are doing something considerably different (support another device, theme the ROM etc.). Also, you can use whatever extra they may add to that, which would basically lead to the expansion of your work in general.

Again, no one can force you to do something/share your work, this was just a hypothetical example. I hope you understand

PS - It's really nice to see people from both sides here

j4n87 · Jun 21, 2012

DutchDanny said:
But why is it so hard to share.
Most devs don't mind giving credits.

My point of this thread is about sharing, and I still wonder why?

If you could/would like to answer that...
And give me/us the enlightenment on your thoughts.

Tnx

Send via my BinDroid XTC One X

I started to create my own rom, because I was bored of the roms floating around the hox forums...none of em got something superior than others..maybe just a few other colors/other scripts, but basically it was a stock rom and a few leedroid tweaks powered.

...and well if I would share my stuff this will gonna happen again.
As already said, you represent your rom with the skill/sknowledge you can put into it. If you just take stuff of others and got a 98/100 copy of another rom, where stays the personality of the rom your created?
You also dont see cars on the street that contains the same motors/interior just with another design/color.
Mercdes/audi or whatever car creator id proud of their developments and the differences they got to others..this should be apply for your rom to.
I couldnt be proud of a rom which is zip modded by copy pasting suff some things together.

Another problem is also, that when you include such stuff, by copy pasting in, you ar not able to fix things if something got a bug, because you maybe dont know even where to look and to fix it your are even less able.
So you got a buggy rom and have to wait for the original dev to fix it...I personally couldnt live with that dependency...

But well, as already said, with my permission you can use my old leedroid tweaks.
My tweaks for my current rom I take for us to keep my rom individual.
I also spent o much time in it with my m8s and dont see the reason why I shall give it do devs that can include it within an hour where I spent nearly a year on it get this baby that far enhanced how it is now.
And well you say sharing is caring...the thing is, I just shared things the last year, my tweak app is included into several roms on several devices...but never someone shared something with me? =D.
Well, badnewz did on sensation, thats why he got a light version of our tweaks, as well as shiz (ordroid) on sesantion. Also football gave us permission to use his base and I gave him in return the pemrission to use some of my work as well...it those cases I'm willing to share of course.

DutchDanny · Jun 21, 2012

Goku80 said:
Danny the thing is mate if you created something awesome and it took you days to create even weeks, would you be happy to share with others? would you not want your rom to stand out more by having that app for yourself instead of sharing? cause if you share then most roms would end up being mostly the same. and this is not to offend any devs but the only roms that do stand out from the rest is cm9 which is build from scratch. yes you have different themes over most roms and that way some stand out from the rest. but deep down under all the skins you still have the same thing as the rest. were Jan took it that extra step ahead.

Jan has created something special for his rom. I can only understand the logic behind the reasons he does not want to share.

But maybe as a way round this if he was to share his work then why not add in the tweaks app that the donate button should go to Jan and his team. So that way not only he gets credit for the work but people can donate for the awesome work and maybe with donations and support the tweaks app could get better and bigger that is just another thought and way round it

it goes both ways though...i think what people forgetting is the word respect. that is what everything comes down to

I took me months to create my skin in my current rom.
If people want to put it in their rom... Sure do

And Jan created tweaks before he had a rom. And he was sharing with some devs. I came to One X forum 2 weeks later, and asked Jan, he told me I was to late...

I respect everybody's work, as most do mine.

I am just disappointed on how things are these days on xda.

And like my OP, this was not directed to anybody.
I just wanted a discussion like the thread title says.

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Goku80 · Jun 21, 2012

DutchDanny said:
I took me months to create my skin in my current rom.
If people want to put it in their rom... Sure do

And Jan created tweaks before he had a rom. And he was sharing with some devs. I came to One X forum 2 weeks later, and asked Jan, he told me I was to late...

I respect everybody's work, as most do mine.

I am just disappointed on how things are these days on xda.

And like my OP, this was not directed to anybody.
I just wanted a discussion like the thread title says.

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apologies my post came out wrong. i know each devs respect one an other and my god you guys are amazing and i have been following your work for my previous handset as well my friend. apologies if you thought my post was rude.

what i am trying to say is if someone does not want to share then people should respect his decision. that is what i wanted to say.

i know we are xda and it is about sharing. but we have to agree though if someone puts hard work into something and they want it to stand out from the rest then we have to respect dev x decision if he does not want to share.

and sharing is what makes the rom development more special for members like me cause we get to try the different variety of work that you awesome guys do for us and that way the users are spoiled for choice and that only not enhances the reputation of the developers but you guys make the phones for us even better

mwr666 · Jun 21, 2012

Sergio76 said:
Im here cause the comunity (YOU) deverve choices. Or we all add same exact phone, software even figthing for the same women i do like the choises

i don't really understand what choice you r talking about? u mean the choice of name? cause changed name is only cosmetics and not really a choice... it's like honda in Europe and acura in US....

I have respect to the dev that is sharing with all... and have respect to dev that is sharing with users only... cause they all share at some point... users always have what they want

i've read all posts from this thread and got an conclusion:

sharing with devs is the devs choice... and if we take that we will have nothing... some of the devs want to share and they do... some dont want... but if they were forced to share they would prefer not releasing any of their work.

If you understand what i'm saying u can see my point. The system isn't perfect but it works

RayHeath · Jun 21, 2012

Sergio76 said:
Well i did get a answer to that. " I developer time is very expensive i will make the quick settings toggles donate me One dollar every time its used"

I few screens proving that conversation should clarefy things.
Not mentioning that was also said " No one can make a tweaks app like me on XDA" or "Mode Smali files like me on XDA".

Saying such things looks like we all NOOBS at XDA and only this guys is a real Dev around here.
Does it make you fell good...guess not

Well i proven him wrong once and what i got was punishment from some Moderators at XDA. After so long sharing and people using my stuff when you get something like this just makes you fell sad, Its ALL about Making MONEY this days.

Thinking taking my title makes me fell bad ...
Thinking anything people say makes me fell bad...
Thinking about all whats been going on around here on the last 2 years makes me fell bad...
Well i dont really care.

What i do CARE is make sure what ever i do i make people happy with what i do and share all else for me is rubish.
Im not here to be the ONE or the BEST.
Im here cause the comunity (YOU) deverve choices. Or we all add same exact phone, software even figthing for the same women i do like the choises

I am really disappointed. I´ve been with XDA for quite awhile. These accusations from Jan, in my opinion, are unfounded.

XDA has always stood, for me, as a community to share and learn. Through the contribution from all the DEVs, we have an improved HD2, Sensation, OneX, and of course all the other manufacturors out there. For me, there is no such thing as "kanging", stealing on XDA, at least with Android. Of course the credit should be given to where it´s due, but because of good ideas from one, it´s made even better by another. As said earlier, who wants to take the credit for the creation of the circular battery? Come on guys, this is XDA! If you don´t want your work shared, then you should use another community in my humble opinion.

Thanks Russ! I think you hit the nail right on the head... Great post!

I have known Sergio for a very long time, I have also been on his team for quite a while. Here has never stolen anything from anyone! I remember when some were trying to use his icons without asking him... He didn´t ask them to be banned, he just wanted them to ask. Sergio has been contributing for XDA for more years, than most here. He has never asked for a penny. I know of other DEVs that use his ideas in there own ROMS. He doesn´t mind, they always get his permission and of course he´s always willing to extend a helping hand to anyone that asks. I can´t believe that the MODs would even consider closing a thread or taking a title without first talking to both parties involved.

This is one sad day for Android development, one sad day for XDA!

@Sergio, keep your head up bro! We have your back!

roofrider · Jun 21, 2012

j4n87 said:
I started to create my own rom, because I was bored of the roms floating around the hox forums...none of em got something superior than others..maybe just a few other colors/other scripts, but basically it was a stock rom and a few leedroid tweaks powered.

...and well if I would share my stuff this will gonna happen again.
As already said, you represent your rom with the skill/sknowledge you can put into it. If you just take stuff of others and got a 98/100 copy of another rom, where stays the personality of the rom your created?
You also dont see cars on the street that contains the same motors/interior just with another design/color.
Mercdes/audi or whatever car creator id proud of their developments and the differences they got to others..this should be apply for your rom to.
I couldnt be proud of a rom which is zip modded by copy pasting suff some things together.

The solution is simple "Original Android Development" i hope the mods put the pedal to the metal and implement it everywhere. That will let the kangers/themers know where they stand.

In all honesty i feel it's just the age factor and ego coming in the way of sharing. I know a guy who does the most awesome stuff and also writes in-depth excellent guides explaining how he did it. I'm not talking about easy theming..i'm talking about deep down kernel level and possible bricking. Respect.

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