[NEWS] Hermes kernel 1413 is a FAKE!

Shadowmite · May 22, 2007

A group of us at #xda-devs on freenode started looking at the crackberry hex edit's to the kernel to make bbconnect work, and in the process noticed some strangeness in the disassembly. It appears the 1413 hermes kernel going around is in fact nothing more than build 1236. We have proven this now in assembly, the getversion function returns the value of 1236, not 1413. We are currently unsure how or where the patch occurs to visually show the faked version ID.

Midget's rom on the universal however, is truely 1413, with the same test his rom passed the correct version back.

Figured someone might like this update...

Midgets: MOVL R3, 0x585
Hermes: MOVL R3, 0x4D4

585 = 1413 decimal
4D4 = 1236 decimal

Midget_1990 · May 22, 2007

confirmed, and mine is the real deal

faria · May 22, 2007

confirmed...it did not take long...ehehe....i compared to the real one this afternoon,it is endeed a fake... the kernel files/modules dont even match.but let not blame anyone...i belive this was done for a specific reason.

peezy · May 22, 2007

Would someone please elaborate on these implications? Does this mean that any ROM advertised in the Hermes section as CE 5.2.1413 actually is not?

Shadowmite · May 22, 2007

Correct, 1413 does not exist for the hermes, although it's completely possible for a hybrid kernel to exist, but I for one would not think that to be very "stable". That's not to say a future kernel couldn't be legit, but if you want to be sure, drop by the irc chat and we'll help you pull apart a rom to see what it's made out of!

Midget_1990 · May 22, 2007

its really 1236 edited to 1413

similar to when that chick you've been hitting on turns out to ahve a c*ck, only not quite as bad

peezy · May 22, 2007

wow midget...I feel violated on so many different levels

CUSTEL · May 22, 2007

Midget_1990 said:
its really 1236 edited to 1413

similar to when that chick you've been hitting on turns out to ahve a c*ck, only not quite as bad

lmao....

will be updating my kernel tonight, nice find guys, glad I had you help with the bbconnect shadow otherwise it wouldve gone unnoticed.

faria · May 22, 2007

Shadowmite said:
Correct, 1413 does not exist for the hermes, although it's completely possible for a hybrid kernel to exist, but I for one would not think that to be very "stable". That's not to say a future kernel couldn't be legit, but if you want to be sure, drop by the irc chat and we'll help you pull apart a rom to see what it's made out of!

if you talking about CE OS 5.2.1413 then you are incorrect....there is such rom native to the hermes.

regards....

Shadowmite · May 22, 2007

I didn't say it doesn't exist, only that we have not seen it yet, the ones we have appear to all be the fake.

EDIT: I stand corrected, I did say that, but I later said it's highly possibly a future rom could be legit at that level...

Sleuth255 · May 22, 2007

Interesting.... Whatever the case, the current hermes WM6 build, v17913.0.3.0 has massive improvements on almost every front. Whether the kernel is patched to 5.2.1413 or not is irrelevant to this IMO. I'll leave my own ROM alone.

JassJammer · May 22, 2007

Hex editing the version number? That just seems wrong... but if it works then its a valid fix.

faria · May 22, 2007

Shadowmite said:
I didn't say it doesn't exist, only that we have not seen it yet, the ones we have appear to all be the fake.

EDIT: I stand corrected, I did say that, but I later said it's highly possibly a future rom could be legit at that level...

no problem ..eheh...

But please note that sometimes a cook changes such info for genuine reasons.

due to this kind of investigation some cooks may have to delay their releases for months or even not even release it till the rom becomes official...but by then who wants the cooked one when you can have the official one...i wonder what will be the consequences of posting such info....just an observation...
xda is becoming to smart for its own good.

Sleuth255 · May 22, 2007

I wonder if this was necessary to graft on the WM6 update...

All I can say is that the lvsw derivative I'm running is the most stable, fast and improved OS I've ever used on my TyTN. I can't even begin to list the improvements over the last build....

Shadowmite · May 22, 2007

I'm certainly not saying anything about the rest of the OS build, my terminology might be misinterpreted by how new I am here. We only proved that the kernel is faked, and the coverup is not done at the kernel level. The kernel reports itself as 1236 just as it should.

I'll agree, lvsw's kernel (used in custel 2.5 also) is incredible...

faria · May 22, 2007

Sleuth255 said:
I wonder if this was necessary to graft on the WM6 update...

All I can say is that the lvsw derivative I'm running is the most stable, fast and improved OS I've ever used on my TyTN. I can't even begin to list the improvements over the last build....

in this case all credit should go to the rom cook

CUSTEL · May 22, 2007

faria said:
no problem ..eheh...

But please note that sometimes a cook changes such info for genuine reasons.

due to this kind of investigation some cooks may have to delay their releases for months or even not even release it till the rom becomes official...but by then who wants the cooked one when you can have the official one...i wonder what will be the consequences of posting such info....just an observation...
xda is becoming to smart for its own good.

so releasing false versions is acceptable?

faria · May 22, 2007

CUSTEL said:
so releasing false versions is acceptable?

well..depends what reasons are behind the fake... but in not saying it is aceptable if somone release a fake rom just to say i was the first or whatever ....remember this forum is being watched all the time.

vp3G · May 22, 2007

I don't give a rat's ass considering it often ends up hex edited to support Crackberry, etc. anyway. An improvement is an improvement, no matter what the version says.

Now back to cooking, everyone!

jasjamming · May 22, 2007

JassJammer said:
Hex editing the version number? That just seems wrong... but if it works then its a valid fix.

this is not me guys..... justting u know

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