HTC Incredible 4G LTE to have unlocked bootloader

slacka-vt · May 14, 2012

I posted this in the Inc2 forum before I realized there was a Inc4G forum. . .

Well, I'm sold. Those are the two magic words I needed to hear. Can't wait for that bad boy.

http://androidheadlines.com/2012/05/featured-verizon-wireless-turns-down-htcs-one-series-in-favor-of-droid-incredible-4g-lte.html

Even though the incredible 4G seems to have a few things that it lacks compared to the One X, it does have an unlocked bootloader which the One X does not. It seems that there was quite following of fans that wouldn’t have it any other way. This small group of android nerds is extremely passionate about the capability to tweak and change their devices. For those of you that are unfamiliar with what an unlocked bootloader does, it allows you somewhat endless possibilities to customize the firmware (or OS) on your device. Which can enhance its user experience, looks, features and the like. This move by HTC to keep the bootloader unlocked is because HTC says they fully support the ability to keep things open and customizable.

HTC is fully committed to the bootloader unlocking program and that Verizon is also completely behind it. Ultimately leading to its choice to make the incredible 4G LTE with this feature. While Verizon is behind the idea now. They could of course change their mind at any time.

dpwhitty11 · May 14, 2012

Hell yeah!

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werdna87 · May 14, 2012

Seems more like HTC will let the bootloader be unlocked via their site. That's not the unlock you are used to for your inc2

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slacka-vt · May 14, 2012

I bet the clip will work on this device for a permanent s-off though ... At least there's hope . . .

litetaker · May 15, 2012

I'll just repost my question from the Dinc2 forum, in case someone watching it here wants to chip in their thoughts:

But still, the fact remains that it will be unlocked by HTC's online unlock tool. Which does not grant S-OFF. Granted that this is better than nothing, but I really want to know how much can be done without S-OFF. I mean, S-OFF was a huge thing for rezound, which recently got it. And I heard, until S-OFF was achieved, AOSP ROMs were impossible on Rezound. So, how much can be done by simply unlocking it by HTC's tool and not getting S-OFF? What is the difference between unlocked bootloader with S-ON (i.e. HTC's unlock method) and unlocked Bootloader via S-OFF like I did for the Dinc2? That is my basic question.

werdna87 · May 15, 2012

litetaker said:
I'll just repost my question from the Dinc2 forum, in case someone watching it here wants to chip in their thoughts:

But still, the fact remains that it will be unlocked by HTC's online unlock tool. Which does not grant S-OFF. Granted that this is better than nothing, but I really want to know how much can be done without S-OFF. I mean, S-OFF was a huge thing for rezound, which recently got it. And I heard, until S-OFF was achieved, AOSP ROMs were impossible on Rezound. So, how much can be done by simply unlocking it by HTC's tool and not getting S-OFF? What is the difference between unlocked bootloader with S-ON (i.e. HTC's unlock method) and unlocked Bootloader via S-OFF like I did for the Dinc2? That is my basic question.

You sir, have been misinformed. S-off on the rebound WAS a great achievement but has nothing to do with aosp. The problem with that is the RIL which will be an issue for the inc4g also.
Also, an unlocked bootloader is not all the different from s-off but does have so.e huge problems like nit being able to downgrade easily if you accidentally run an RUU that updates the baseband. It also give issues with version numbers if leaks are released but that issue has been fixed. Kernels can not be flashed via recovery and you have to lock the bootloader whenever you want to run an RUU. I may be forgetting some other differences but the last and IMO biggest is that once you unlock, it will always say re-locked at the top which COULD cause warranty issues even though it has nit for anyone so far.

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slacka-vt · May 15, 2012

If you want AOSP so bad then just get a Nexus. Personally, I'm stoked for some ICS with Sense 4.

graymonkey44 · May 15, 2012

According to that article. It says it won't have the S4 cpu in it.

I Am Marino · May 15, 2012

graymonkey44 said:
According to that article. It says it won't have the S4 cpu in it.

I read it has a S4 but doesn't, so I'm like huh?
So S3.5?

Anyway, maybe the method that got Rezound users like myself S-OFF can get I4GLTE users theirs, such a clever method at that.

nitsuj17 · May 15, 2012

graymonkey44 said:
According to that article. It says it won't have the S4 cpu in it.

I Am Marino said:
I read it has a S4 but doesn't, so I'm like huh?
So S3.5?

Anyway, maybe the method that got Rezound users like myself S-OFF can get I4GLTE users theirs, such a clever method at that.

the official annoucement from vzw and htc said it was a s4 chip

its just not the same exact chip as the one s or one x

i gave me best guess on the actual chip here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26102928&postcount=41

demarcmj · May 17, 2012

graymonkey44 said:
According to that article. It says it won't have the S4 cpu in it.

I Am Marino said:
I read it has a S4 but doesn't, so I'm like huh?
So S3.5?

Anyway, maybe the method that got Rezound users like myself S-OFF can get I4GLTE users theirs, such a clever method at that.

nitsuj17 said:
the official annoucement from vzw and htc said it was a s4 chip

its just not the same exact chip as the one s or one x

i gave me best guess on the actual chip here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=26102928&postcount=41

To graymonkey44, you misinterpreted the article. As nitsuj17 said, they were saying that it's not the same chip. It's still an S4.

To nitsuj17, it definitely won't have the msm 8930 that you suspected, since that has the Adreno 305 GPU which won't even be released until Q3

So the exact chip is still a little fuzzy. The only S4 chip that really seems to match is the 8960, but that doesn't come in 1.2GHz and an HTC rep has said it's not underclocked. So it seems like the possibilities are:

It's the 1.2GHz 8930 featuring the faster Adreno 305 GPU that wont be released until Q3
Verizon/HTC somehow, and for reasons unknown, managed to get Qualcomm to custom make a special 1.2GHz S4 with the Adreno 225 GPU and LTE.
The HTC rep that said it's not underclocked was either lying or mistaken, and it is in fact the 8960 underclocked to 1.2GHz.

Personally, I think that last one is the most plausible, but who knows.

litetaker · May 17, 2012

demarcmj said:
To graymonkey44, you misinterpreted the article. As nitsuj17 said, they were saying that it's not the same chip. It's still an S4.

To nitsuj17, it definitely won't have the msm 8930 that you suspected, since that has the Adreno 305 GPU which won't even be released until Q3

So the exact chip is still a little fuzzy. The only S4 chip that really seems to match is the 8960, but that doesn't come in 1.2GHz and an HTC rep has said it's not underclocked. So it seems like the possibilities are:

It's the 1.2GHz 8930 featuring the faster Adreno 305 GPU that wont be released until Q3

Verizon/HTC somehow, and for reasons unknown, managed to get Qualcomm to custom make a special 1.2GHz S4 with the Adreno 225 GPU and LTE.

The HTC rep that said it's not underclocked was either lying or mistaken, and it is in fact the 8960 underclocked to 1.2GHz.

Personally, I think that last one is the most plausible, but who knows.

Ooooh! If it is the last one, then we could potentially overclock it (kill battery life, of course

) and get the same performance or even better than the One X due to the lower resolution!!! Oh! My God! I just had a nerdgasm!!!

werdna87 · May 17, 2012

I can confirm it has a 220 gpu. Even underclass to what it is though it's very fast and smooth

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demarcmj · May 17, 2012

werdna87 said:
I can confirm it has a 220 gpu. Even underclass to what it is though it's very fast and smooth

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pics or it didn't happen, lol

Div033 · May 17, 2012

Benchmarks will tell the tale. There is currently no documentation stating what it has exactly.

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werdna87 · May 17, 2012

Benchmarks will tell the tale. There is currently no documentation stating what it has exactly.

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Well heres a benchmark for you to drool at

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litetaker · May 17, 2012

werdna87 said:
Well heres a benchmark for you to drool at

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Where did you get that picture?

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nitsuj17 · May 17, 2012

litetaker said:
Where did you get that picture?

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either hes a verizon/htc tester or has early access to a production device

litetaker · May 17, 2012

nitsuj17 said:
either hes a verizon/htc tester or has early access to a production device

Or some journalist was able to install and run the quadrant benchmark at CTIA... who knows!

Div033 · May 17, 2012

Well, as per this link:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/T-Mo...rrier-gets-180-day-exclusivity-period_id28877

This score certainly isn't up to snuff with the One S. However, it is important to note that there is a 300MHz clock difference and the 3d scores are very similar. 1954 vs 2173, a gap like that might be influenced by clock speed. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that it has the 225 just yet.

Edit: Actually it might be the 220 because the rezound scores very similarly.

Things just keep getting worse for this guy.

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