Beware the N7100/N7105 UK Con

keirmccann · Dec 18, 2012

Bought n7000 note 2 for 459 from phones for you last week. N7105 was clearly 569 on the shelf or near enough.

ee is a load of garbage anyway I get over 10mb in most places on 3 and have 110mb broadband at home, just seems a tad silly to me the speeds I get now are more than enough

Pat. · Dec 18, 2012

djembey said:
3UK DC-HSPA+ FTW

There your getting 24.62mbps.

Well that contrasts seriously with this statement....

ashgiles85 said:
If a n7100 (which i have brought for £550 at carphonewarehouse) can reach 15meg on hspca or whatever it is thats god damn near perfect why would you want to wait 2 years for 4g just to get 5 more meg ?

Thats my 2cents anyways

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keirmccann said:
Bought n7000 note 2 for 459 from phones for you last week. N7105 was clearly 569 on the shelf or near enough.

ee is a load of garbage anyway I get over 10mb in most places on 3 and have 110mb broadband at home, just seems a tad silly to me the speeds I get now are more than enough

I assume you meant "N7100" ... Orange & Phones4U were doing the N7105 for under £500 payg so you are widening the true price gap there.
I fully agree that EE's 4G is overpriced rubbish. But the 7105 is going to be an attractive secondhand phone as it has all the LTE bands & should have about the same price gap at resale.
So with no difference financially the 7105 is a better bet because it has potential for speed as networks get faster.

DjeMBeY · Dec 19, 2012

Many people don't know anything about new DC networks and think that only 4G can handle high DL speeds.... Wrong!!
Everyone who don't mind the size and want to have Ultrafast Internet w/o waiting for proper 4G in UK should go for Note 2 LTE as is more future proof and hook it up with 3UK.. IMHO

okuda1971 · Dec 20, 2012

I can browse the web fast enough, I can download large apps and games in minutes, I can stream hd video frim YouTube and view all my online cloud storage photo's all without 4G..!! Apart from the resale value of the lte version what benefit is 4G to me??? This is the same old arguement about dual core/quad core....if the phone does what you need it too!! My question is simple what is coming that requires that sort of Internet speed?

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Pat. · Dec 20, 2012

okuda1971 said:
I can browse the web fast enough, I can download large apps and games in minutes, I can stream hd video frim YouTube and view all my online cloud storage photo's all without 4G..!! Apart from the resale value of the lte version what benefit is 4G to me??? This is the same old arguement about dual core/quad core....if the phone does what you need it too!! My question is simple what is coming that requires that sort of Internet speed?

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Point is, an LTE note2 has 42mbps capability on 3G whereas non LTE version has 21mbps capability.
So that's where the benefit is if you forget the 4G side of it.
Maybe 6 months into ownership as content online becomes more data hungry that extra speed will start to pay off.

maverick1103 · Dec 20, 2012

Pat. said:
Point is, an LTE note2 has 42mbps capability on 3G whereas non LTE version has 21mbps capability.
So that's where the benefit is if you forget the 4G side of it.
Maybe 6 months into ownership as content online becomes more data hungry that extra speed will start to pay off.

^ exactly my point!

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scote · Dec 21, 2012

I got my 7105 a couple of days ago, both the EE shops in my town did not have one available on payg but they quoted £499 if they had, phones4u charged me £509 for a sim free one and it was an EE one in so much that the protective wrapper on the screen had an EE url on it, cant see any branding in the software though.
EE were trying to move me to a £46/month contract +£139 for the phone to go on 4g, I said no thanks I'll stay on my £8/month sim only unlimited internet contract thanks and buy a sim free phone saving myself ~£650 over two years. They said you cant be getting unlimited internet for that price, I said I am, I've only been warned about fair usage once in the last year when I had my old phone tethered to a laptop and downloading alot.
Just done a speed test with only 2 bars strength and got 19Mbps

maffo999 · Dec 21, 2012

N7100 FTW!

Hello everybody,
I bought a N7100 with all you can eat data from 3 a month ago and I have to admit I'm very happy with this.
I've spent almost 1 month thinking whether getting the LTE version or not but then, due to the fact that LTE is not available here yet (Newcastle), I decided to go for the HSPA version.
Here in Newcastle as well as in Leeds, York and Manchester I get ultra speeds on 3's network (never below 8Mbit/s) and the signal is pretty much always stuck with H+ icon, sometimes with H but I never saw it switching to 3G.
I can tell you I chosed the HSPA version because I think EE has got some pretty expensive plans: sure, they've got 4G and they're the only one here but with the price I'd pay a monthly contract with EE (I should take the 8GB one and still it would be small for my needs) I'd pay more then what I pay for 3 and fixed broadband.
I really don't understand all these people going frenzy about having a 4G connection on their phone, Youtube works greatly on HSPA+ with HD videos as well as Google Music/Skype/Netflix, plus I can tether it to my tablet or my laptop if I need it.
I use my phone to stream music from Google or from my home server if I want to listen to some FLACs and watch Netflix when I'm on the train and, as far as I can tell, I never suffered network lags or extreme buffering.
As now, I don't think that having a 4G mobile phone is worth since the contract prices are extremely high compared to normal plans.
Just my 2 cents...

speculatrix · Dec 24, 2012

seems like the N7105 is getting some discount love!

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sam...-pay-go-orange-t-mobile-ee-everything-1420028

a key reason for LTE in UK/Europe is the 800Mhz band, which should give decent speeds outside of urban areas.

otherwise I'd be happy with 3G, if only the operators actually provided enough bandwidth for it!

MJLONGLEY · Feb 4, 2013

Hi Guys,
I have only just discovered that my Note 2 bought online on 4 October 2012 on EE from Mobiles.co.uk is only a 3G model not the 4G model that I believed them all to be. There were no different models/variations advertised to choose from and the Samsung website then did not state that there were two different models. Did one supercede the other or are/were they both available simultaneously?

scote · Feb 4, 2013

Dont forget that as op pointed out 7105 has dc-hsdpa which 7100 does not. I got 19mbs without 4g or paying for it, its not my area yet anyway.

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DesertHawk · Feb 4, 2013

This happened to me as well. Luckily my sister doesnt care about phones so I swapped my 7100 for her 7105

rocketpaul · Feb 4, 2013

if 3 could give me speeds over 1mbps i would be happy with my n7100.

Pat. · Feb 4, 2013

MJLONGLEY said:
Hi Guys,
I have only just discovered that my Note 2 bought online on 4 October 2012 on EE from Mobiles.co.uk is only a 3G model not the 4G model that I believed them all to be. There were no different models/variations advertised to choose from and the Samsung website then did not state that there were two different models. Did one supercede the other or are/were they both available simultaneously?

It was total confusion because in the spec for 7100 it said 4G but that was (I think) just one USA 4G band that was of no use to us in UK but alot of companies like yours & Phones4U did tell people they were 4G & also wrongly told people they were good for later UK 4G use.
There was around 8 different Note2 models sold worldwide. The 7105 LTE model came a bit later to the UK because Samsung probably didn't have confirmation of which 4G bands the UK would need & also the 7105 was to satisfy other markets like Australia ETC
As for your purchase, it was extremely (& still is) rare for anyone other than EE,Orange or T-Mobile THEMSELVES to sell a contract 7105 although some shops like Phoneys4u did sell it on payg.
Basically October last year was a hugely confusing time to buy a Note2 unless you did alot of homework & insisted on getting confirmation of model numbers on the handset you were buying.
Nothing superseded anything else & both LTE & Non LTE versions of note2 are on sale in UK on contract as we speak.

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MJLONGLEY · Feb 5, 2013

Pat. said:
It was total confusion because in the spec for 7100 it said 4G but that was (I think) just one USA 4G band that was of no use to us in UK but alot of companies like yours & Phones4U did tell people they were 4G & also wrongly told people they were good for later UK 4G use.
There was around 8 different Note2 models sold worldwide. The 7105 LTE model came a bit later to the UK because Samsung probably didn't have confirmation of which 4G bands the UK would need & also the 7105 was to satisfy other markets like Australia ETC
As for your purchase, it was extremely (& still is) rare for anyone other than EE,Orange or T-Mobile THEMSELVES to sell a contract 7105 although some shops like Phoneys4u did sell it on payg.
Basically October last year was a hugely confusing time to buy a Note2 unless you did alot of homework & insisted on getting confirmation of model numbers on the handset you were buying.
Nothing superseded anything else & both LTE & Non LTE versions of note2 are on sale in UK on contract as we speak.

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Thank you for that information.
Do I, or anyone else, have grounds for complaint of being sold the wrong item or anything similar?

Pat. · Feb 5, 2013

MJLONGLEY said:
Thank you for that information.
Do I, or anyone else, have grounds for complaint of being sold the wrong item or anything similar?

If you were sold a Note 2 & were specifically lead to believe it was going to be suitable for UK LTE 4G reception on EE network (nobody had confirmation of the bands 3,O2 or Voda would be using back then) then yes as you were mislead by the retailer.
However all cases like yours appear to have one similarity ....that nothing was put in writing/email.
Without proof you were mislead its not really worth trying to get recompense & your time would be better spent selling your 7100 & buying a 7105 if you want UK 4G & DC HSPDA+ 42mbps Capability.

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maverick1103 · Feb 14, 2013

Ok so last week I rang up 3 again to ask them when my Note 2 (N7100) will accept their Ultrafast Internet.... Bearing in mind I knew before that it needs to be the N7105, but plenty of their customer service representatives and a manager all stated my phone is 4G ready. After I while I was told yes it Ultrafast Internet available, I asked is that 4G or the DC-HSPDA? I got no where so I raised a complaint after being miss sold a phone, this didn't get me any further, just wasting an hour on the phone with 3s complaints department with an obnoxious customer service representative who hasn't a clue the difference between 3G, DC-HSPDA and 4G....was I surprised no! After an hour she refused to raise my complaint higher, this didn't go down well.

I then got hold of 3s executives customers services department who rang me back today, they are based in Scotland rather than India. The guy basically admitted that 3 had mislead me and offered me the S3 LTE version for 3 as an exchange as they don't sell the Note 2 LTE version. I declined as I don't really want to go backwards, but took the Sony Xperia Z instead as it's the only phone out there other than the Note 2 which is fairly decent.

So I suggest if there is anyone else on 3 and have been told that your model is 4G ready, get it noted on your account and then complain!

:thumbup:

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E_Goldstein · Feb 18, 2013

Ill give this a shot in match when they get the lte model in stock

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maverick1103 · Feb 18, 2013

E_Goldstein said:
Ill give this a shot in match when they get the lte model in stock

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They are getting the LTE version in March, dam!

E_Goldstein · Feb 18, 2013

maverick1103 said:
They are getting the LTE version in March, dam!

I popped in my local three store on friday asking about the lte note 2 and he said all we have right now is the S3 and he replied were getting ut next month.

For those interested i have just got off the phone and i have been informed by three that my N7100 is compatible with 4G lol.

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