[USER] JB/ICS/CM10/9 Discussion

leapinlar · May 22, 2012

jewnersey said:
I was under the impression the micro end is what gets messed up with these cables. I honestly never use the usb for PC transfers and have pretty much never unplugged it from the charger.

I agree, that's my experience too. But modding the micro end is complicated. 12 wires/pins. When mine recently was messing up, just plugging the Galaxy Tab adapter plug in fixed it. Modify an old usb extension and see what happens.

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bobtidey · May 22, 2012

leapinlar said:
I agree, that's my experience too. But modding the micro end is complicated. 12 wires/pins. When mine recently was messing up, just plugging the Galaxy Tab adapter plug in fixed it. Modify an old usb extension and see what happens.

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It is unlikely to be a problem with the micro end IF the cable functions as a USB data cable as the AC mode data line short is within the charger itself.

I'm also somewhat surprised that he data line short within the charger would get broken but obviously something is wrong if you don't get into AC mode.

I'd suggest the following tests before you start ripping things apart.

a) Does your Nook USB cable function as a data transfer cable between the Nook and a USB computer port? If it does then it is basically functional as a cable.

b) If a) doesn't work then try another USB standard micro cable (non Nook) when this works then try it into the charger. If it stays in USB charge mode not AC then you probably do have a problem with the charger. If it does go into AC mode then you have a problem with the Nook USB cable. A standard USB cable will give you an intermediate charge in the short term but a replacement Nook cable will be needed for full charge rate.

c) If Nook USB cable does function in a) but when used with the charger stays in USB charge mode then the problem is probably with the charger. If you have access to an volt/ohmeter then buzz out the inner two USB contacts from the charger with it NOT plugged in. It should show a low resistance.

d) If c) indicates a good low resistance on charger then I'd try test b) anyway in case there is something more subtle with the Nook cable end like a high resistance contact which is allowing function in data mode but preventing the Nook from seeing the data short properly.

If none of these resolve it then maybe there is something wrong at the Nook end preventing the data line short being detected properly. This could be either some low level hardware problem or maybe some software preventing the sensing being passed up, but I haven't heard anything like that before.

leapinlar · May 23, 2012

bobtidey said:
It is unlikely to be a problem with the micro end IF the cable functions as a USB data cable as the AC mode data line short is within the charger itself.

I'm also somewhat surprised that he data line short within the charger would get broken but obviously something is wrong if you don't get into AC mode.

I'd suggest the following tests before you start ripping things apart.

a) Does your Nook USB cable function as a data transfer cable between the Nook and a USB computer port? If it does then it is basically functional as a cable.

b) If a) doesn't work then try another USB standard micro cable (non Nook) when this works then try it into the charger. If it stays in USB charge mode not AC then you probably do have a problem with the charger. If it does go into AC mode then you have a problem with the Nook USB cable. A standard USB cable will give you an intermediate charge in the short term but a replacement Nook cable will be needed for full charge rate.

c) If Nook USB cable does function in a) but when used with the charger stays in USB charge mode then the problem is probably with the charger. If you have access to an volt/ohmeter then buzz out the inner two USB contacts from the charger with it NOT plugged in. It should show a low resistance.

d) If c) indicates a good low resistance on charger then I'd try test b) anyway in case there is something more subtle with the Nook cable end like a high resistance contact which is allowing function in data mode but preventing the Nook from seeing the data short properly.

If none of these resolve it then maybe there is something wrong at the Nook end preventing the data line short being detected properly. This could be either some low level hardware problem or maybe some software preventing the sensing being passed up, but I haven't heard anything like that before.

bobtidey, maybe you can tell me what is wrong with my charging system. It started acting the same way as jewnersey described. So I plugged the usb end into my Galaxy Tab charging block and it said it was on A/C and started to charge right. So then I used one of my Galaxy Tab usb adapters between my nook charging block and my nook cable. It said A/C. I took the adapter out and it said usb. OK, so I just decided to use it with the adapter. Next time I wanted to use my nook cable to transfer data to the PC, the Nook was not recognized by the PC. (No, I did not have the adapter on the cable). I switched to a standard microUSB cable and the PC recognized the Nook.

I can use it this way, but I am stumped as to what is going on.

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jewnersey · May 23, 2012

bobtidey said:
It is unlikely to be a problem with the micro end IF the cable functions as a USB data cable as the AC mode data line short is within the charger itself.

I'm also somewhat surprised that he data line short within the charger would get broken but obviously something is wrong if you don't get into AC mode.

I'd suggest the following tests before you start ripping things apart.

a) Does your Nook USB cable function as a data transfer cable between the Nook and a USB computer port? If it does then it is basically functional as a cable.

b) If a) doesn't work then try another USB standard micro cable (non Nook) when this works then try it into the charger. If it stays in USB charge mode not AC then you probably do have a problem with the charger. If it does go into AC mode then you have a problem with the Nook USB cable. A standard USB cable will give you an intermediate charge in the short term but a replacement Nook cable will be needed for full charge rate.

c) If Nook USB cable does function in a) but when used with the charger stays in USB charge mode then the problem is probably with the charger. If you have access to an volt/ohmeter then buzz out the inner two USB contacts from the charger with it NOT plugged in. It should show a low resistance.

d) If c) indicates a good low resistance on charger then I'd try test b) anyway in case there is something more subtle with the Nook cable end like a high resistance contact which is allowing function in data mode but preventing the Nook from seeing the data short properly.

If none of these resolve it then maybe there is something wrong at the Nook end preventing the data line short being detected properly. This could be either some low level hardware problem or maybe some software preventing the sensing being passed up, but I haven't heard anything like that before.

Cable is the issue it seems.. no data transfer, my inc2 cable works fine though and shows as AC. So what can I do to this cable ?

leapinlar · May 23, 2012

jewnersey said:
Cable is the issue it seems.. no data transfer, my inc2 cable works fine though and shows as AC. So what can I do to this cable ?

I don't know why, I'm hoping bobtidey knows, but the adapter seemed to make my non-functional cable work with the charging block. I would still try to make an adapter out of an old usb extension and try it. Or if you are convinced the cable is no good for data transfer, mod it on the usb end. You can't ruin it more than it is. It might work for charging. But if your nook is still under warranty, make B&N give you a new one.

Edit, if the data lines are not making contact, on one end or the other, it would not recognize the charging block as having shorted pins. Or transfer data to the PC. Do some more diagnostics.

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bobtidey · May 23, 2012

jewnersey said:
Cable is the issue it seems.. no data transfer, my inc2 cable works fine though and shows as AC. So what can I do to this cable ?

If Nook is under a year old then ring up B&N customer services, explain your USB cable is bust and they will send you a new one. They are used to this request. They will want to verify the serial number and customer name.

It is ultra difficult / impossible to repair the cable yourself if it is the micro end (most likely). The connector is a special B&N part (not a standard micro-usb) with lots of pins. So a difficult job even if you could get the part which I don't believe is available anywhere separately.

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leapinlar said:
I don't know why, I'm hoping bobtidey knows, but the adapter seemed to make my non-functional cable work with the charging block.
Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk

SO I can picture a bit better what is the nature of the Galaxy tab adapter? Is it a separate cable that plugs into the Tab charger with a USB female, or what?

If I understand it your Nook cable never works for USB to PC data transfers, but does work (AC) charging when plugged into TAB charger or via the adapter? A standard cable works for both USB to PC data and for (AC) charging, but obviously with reduced rate as it doesn't have the extra pins.

Maybe the data lines in your Nook cable are shorted out internally. That would stop the the PC connection working. Plugging into the charger would just be shorting data lines that were already shorted but the Nook would go AC charging as it saw shorted data lines and now had power from the USB power lines.

leapinlar · May 23, 2012

bobtidey said:
If Nook is under a year old then ring up B&N customer services, explain your USB cable is bust and they will send you a new one. They are used to this request. They will want to verify the serial number and customer name.

It is ultra difficult / impossible to repair the cable yourself if it is the micro end (most likely). The connector is a special B&N part (not a standard micro-usb) with lots of pins. So a difficult job even if you could get the part which I don't believe is available anywhere separately.

---------- Post added at 05:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:32 PM ----------

SO I can picture a bit better what is the nature of the Galaxy tab adapter? Is it a separate cable that plugs into the Tab charger with a USB female, or what?

It is just a small male to female block that has the data pins shorted internally. You plug the male into the charger block and plug your cable into the female end.

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bobtidey · May 23, 2012

leapinlar said:
It is just a small male to female block that has the data pins shorted internally. You plug the male into the charger block and plug your cable into the female end.

Sent from my Nook Color running ICS and Tapatalk

Ah. That makes even more sense to what I just said. If the adapter is used to short the lines rather than in the charger then the Nook cable straight into the charger wouldn't show AC normally. But if there is already a short in the Nook cable then it would.

Do you have a meter to bus the two inner pins on the Nook big USB connector? Also it might be an intermittent short that is susceptible to a bit of cable flexing.

leapinlar · May 23, 2012

bobtidey said:
Ah. That makes even more sense to what I just said. If the adapter is used to short the lines rather than in the charger then the Nook cable straight into the charger wouldn't show AC normally. But if there is already a short in the Nook cable then it would.

Do you have a meter to bus the two inner pins on the Nook big USB connector? Also it might be an intermittent short that is susceptible to a bit of cable flexing.

That could be it. I will try it later. I do flex my cable a lot. That's how I broke my old one. Too many connects/disconnects. Thanks for the input.

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leapinlar · May 23, 2012

Bobtidey, It is definitely the cable. I have a new spare charger/cable. First I used the old cable with the new charger block, no difference. No amount of wiggling made any difference. Still only worked with adapter. Then I used the new cable with the old charger block (w/o the adapter) and everything worked perfectly. I think you are right about an internal short on the data lines in the cable. Given the life of these cables, I am going to continue to use the defective cable with the adapter for charging only and will save the new one until it completely breaks. I will use my standard micro cable for the PC transfer. I am completely out of warranty, by the way.

Thank you again for all your help.

Edit: I just remembered something else that may be why it works with the adapter plug and not directly plugged to the charger block. The data pins are not shorted with 0 volts on them. They have a resistor array that connects to the +5v and ground pins that puts the same voltage of like 3.2 volts on both data pins. The galaxy tab charger is set up the same way.

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mateorod · May 23, 2012

The nook has been out for awhile now, and I am sure that there are many others who, like myself, are no longer under warranty.

Just as a tip, I guess, I have had three cables break on me, the last two after the expiration of the warranty.

I have just continued to bring them to the nook center at Barnes&Noble and they keep replacing them out of some loose stock they keep behind the desk. No questions asked.

So don't necessarily think you have to make do or spend money. You may, but I haven't heard of anyone being turned down,

That's what makes the class action nonsense such a waste of time. It's pretty hard to get an award when the ostensible damages can be immediately redressed upon request. But whatever.

leapinlar · May 23, 2012

The last time I tried to do that, I had my Nook with cm7 on it in my hand, and she wanted to look up the serial #. She took one look at it and said no way, your warranty is void. Duh! *slaps forehead* So my advice is only take the cable, not your modified device.

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stolenmoment · May 23, 2012

mateorod said:
I have just continued to bring them to the nook center at Barnes&Noble and they keep replacing them out of some loose stock they keep behind the desk. No questions asked.

I've never had success getting one in a store, but the lady on the phone this past March took the serial number (2010...) and shipped me a new cable with no fuss.

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dstarke · May 27, 2012

How far have we come?

How does the progress in ICS compare with where Honeycomb left off? It seems stuck at the same points. Is Honeycomb at all viable?

koopakid08 · May 27, 2012

dstarke said:
How does the progress in ICS compare with where Honeycomb left off? It seems stuck at the same points. Is Honeycomb at all viable?

Honeycomb is terrible. It was never even close to being a daily driver. ICS is getting very close. Pretty much all we are missing at this point is hardware acceleration so Netflix doesn't work. Other than that things run pretty smooth with a few hiccups.

Sent from space

Taosaur · May 27, 2012

koopakid08 said:
Honeycomb is terrible. It was never even close to being a daily driver. ICS is getting very close. Pretty much all we are missing at this point is hardware acceleration so Netflix doesn't work. Other than that things run pretty smooth with a few hiccups.

Pretty much agreed, though I never got the market working on Honeycomb so I abandoned it after a pretty short trial. I also found Honeycomb itself not so good, regardless of performance on the NC. It always struck me as the Windows Vista of Android releases.

KingJL · May 27, 2012

Taosaur said:
Pretty much agreed, though... It always struck me as the Windows Vista of Android releases.

Sooh sooh cruel!

grayfoxmg1 · May 28, 2012

Taosaur said:
Pretty much agreed, though I never got the market working on Honeycomb so I abandoned it after a pretty short trial. I also found Honeycomb itself not so good, regardless of performance on the NC. It always struck me as the Windows Vista of Android releases.

KingJL said:
Sooh sooh cruel!

But oh so true

><Maddog>< · May 28, 2012

Has anyone got the Sirius XM app to work with CM9? I updated the IMEI and have had it running fine in CM7, but when I try and to run it, I get a force close. I've uninstalled and re-installed and I'm having no luck. I read other posts that people have run the app on the Xoom in ICS, so the app should work... except it doesn't. Any suggestions? Anyone using this app now with ICS on the Nook Color?

Thanks for the help!

leapinlar · May 29, 2012

More good news for CM9 phone gui users. You no longer have to use my patches to get sofkeys to display in phone gui mode. Two simple lines are added to local.prop to set the density which enables the phone gui and to tell the system you have no hardware keys. See my post here. So I will be making no more zips to enable this feature. No-moar zips!

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