Poll - If S5 Prime is released this year should we take action?

If Samsung lied to me about the S5 Prime...

  • I'm Angry and would like to vent.

    Votes: 14 26.9%
  • I am angry but I don't vent.

    Votes: 8 15.4%
  • Couldn't give a hoot.

    Votes: 26 50.0%
  • Bye Samsung (Well maybe)

    Votes: 3 5.8%
  • Bye Samsung (Seriously)

    Votes: 5 9.6%

  • Total voters
    52
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drakester09

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Dont get me wrong, the S5 is great, I am very happy with it, i'm not up for a metal case either, however given the option i'd have waited and taken the QHD screen and 805 cpu, the issue here, if the Prime is released is that we were lied to, mislead into buying the S5 when there was a better model just around the corner. This is unacceptable behaviour in my opinion, its not that a new phone is coming out, its that they lied about it to protect their sales.

Perhaps its a sign of the times that so many people think this is ok, normal even, getting shafted appears now to be the norm.

Vote with your wallet. All that will matter to any large corporation.
A couple dozen users protesting won't harm business when you have millions of sales.

The way I see it is: M8 comes out, S5 rivals it. G3 comes out, S5 prime rivals it.
Since it seems the G3 is a step up from all the current flagships in terms of screen resolution and chipset, it's business as usual that Samsung and HTC won't settle by letting LG take the spec crown.

If anything blame that the current flagships (M8 and S5) were rushed to the market.
 

BarryH_GEG

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Dont get me wrong, the S5 is great, I am very happy with it, i'm not up for a metal case either, however given the option i'd have waited and taken the QHD screen and 805 cpu, the issue here, if the Prime is released is that we were lied to, mislead into buying the S5 when there was a better model just around the corner. This is unacceptable behaviour in my opinion, its not that a new phone is coming out, its that they lied about it to protect their sales.

Perhaps its a sign of the times that so many people think this is ok, normal even, getting shafted appears now to be the norm.

I realized after I posted that I've actually just gone through something similar. I was one of the first to buy the N10.1-14 in October of last year. You'd think with 2014 in its name it would stay fresh for a while. Samsung announced the Pro-line of tablets in January, two months later with 4.4 and features the N10.1-14 didn't have. Like some in this thread, I wasn't thrilled. It turns out it's a good thing the N10.1-14 isn't a "Pro." Magazine UX consumes a ton of resources and half the features shown at its unveiling at CES were neutered when it became official. It also doesn't support Samsung Hub. Now that the N10.1-14's on 4.4 it's actually faster and cleaner than the Pro's (M-UX has to have at least one home page).

A QHD display on a mobile device is ridiculous. The lowest common denominator isn't PPI; it's what the human eye is capable of resolving. QHD mobile devices and 4K TV's are pretty comical based on the distances they are typically viewed at. But to sell "new" higher margin TVs and get people to continue buying high-end mobile devices both are going to be drummed in to our heads as "have to have" by those with gazillion dollar marketing budgets that want us to buy them.

This explains visual acuity and is from a display test of the iP4 when it was introduced...
“Retina Display” is a great marketing name, and it’s the sharpest smartphone display available, 23 percent sharper than the nearest competitor, but objectively it does not meet the quantitative criteria for being a true Retina Display – it’s about a factor of two lower than the acuity of the human Retina. Rather, the iPhone 4 has a “20/20 Vision Display” because when it is held more than 10.5 inches away, a person with 20/20 Vision will not be able to resolve the iPhone 4 screen pixels, which are at 326 ppi (1 arc-minute resolution). But 20/20 Vision is the legal definition of “Normal Vision,” which is at the lower end of true normal vision. There are in fact lots of people with much better than 20/20 Vision, and for most people visual acuity is limited by blurring from the lens in the eye. The best human vision is about 20/10 Vision, twice as good as 20/20 Vision, and that is what corresponds to the acuity of the Retina. So to be a “True Retina Display” a screen needs about 652 ppi at 10.5 inches, or 572 ppi at 12 inches. Unfortunately, a “20/20 Vision Display” doesn’t sound anywhere near as enticing as a “Retina Display” so marketing and science don’t see eye-to-eye on this…​
But the above only matters when viewing certain types of content. This was from a discussion of 720P vs. 1080P displays...
Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.

Where a 1080p smartphone display could really make an impact is with computer-generated content—that is, the user interface, buttons, and text. "Only computer-generated images make full use of the pixel resolution of the display," says Dr. Soneira. "For graphics and text, maybe you want that kind of sharpness." Like desktop computers, smartphone displays can also utilize sub-pixel rendering, which helps improve the visual sharpness of computer-generated graphics.

A 1080p display might also be useful for simply viewing 1920×1080 content and not worrying about scaling. "Every time you rescale content that’s scaled for some other resolution, it’s not going to look as good. So there’s an advantage to living with 1920×1080 even if your eye can’t appreciate the fine details, because you don’t have the rescaling artifacts," he says.
If the SGS5 "Plus" ends up QHD/S-805 I'd be willing to bet anyone here the current SGS5 will outperform it. I know this because the 2,560x1,600 display on my N10.1-14 causes it to run a lot slower than equivalent N3's using the same processor. More PPI (essentially doubled in this case) will consume more battery and any benefit of the improved GPU will be consumed (and maybe then some) by the display's enormous PPI.

The grass isn't always greener. I know because I'm in marketing and get paid a lot of money to make y'all think it is. ;)

P.S. - With high-end smartphone sales slowing down Samsung's looking for opportunities to raise their margins. If you think $50-100 is ridiculous for a storage bump that costs Samsung $10 I think you'll be shocked by the price differential for the SGS5+. All just my guess/opinion of course. ;)
 

WizeGuyDezignz

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I realized after I posted that I've actually just gone through something similar. I was one of the first to buy the N10.1-14 in October of last year. You'd think with 2014 in its name it would stay fresh for a while. Samsung announced the Pro-line of tablets in January, two months later with 4.4 and features the N10.1-14 didn't have. Like some in this thread, I wasn't thrilled. It turns out it's a good thing the N10.1-14 isn't a "Pro." Magazine UX consumes a ton of resources and half the features shown at its unveiling at CES were neutered when it became official. It also doesn't support Samsung Hub. Now that the N10.1-14's on 4.4 it's actually faster and cleaner than the Pro's (M-UX has to have at least one home page).

A QHD display on a mobile device is ridiculous. The lowest common denominator isn't PPI; it's what the human eye is capable of resolving. QHD mobile devices and 4K TV's are pretty comical based on the distances they are typically viewed at. But to sell "new" higher margin TVs and get people to continue buying high-end mobile devices both are going to be drummed in to our heads as "have to have" by those with gazillion dollar marketing budgets that want us to buy them.

This explains visual acuity and is from a display test of the iP4 when it was introduced...
“Retina Display” is a great marketing name, and it’s the sharpest smartphone display available, 23 percent sharper than the nearest competitor, but objectively it does not meet the quantitative criteria for being a true Retina Display – it’s about a factor of two lower than the acuity of the human Retina. Rather, the iPhone 4 has a “20/20 Vision Display” because when it is held more than 10.5 inches away, a person with 20/20 Vision will not be able to resolve the iPhone 4 screen pixels, which are at 326 ppi (1 arc-minute resolution). But 20/20 Vision is the legal definition of “Normal Vision,” which is at the lower end of true normal vision. There are in fact lots of people with much better than 20/20 Vision, and for most people visual acuity is limited by blurring from the lens in the eye. The best human vision is about 20/10 Vision, twice as good as 20/20 Vision, and that is what corresponds to the acuity of the Retina. So to be a “True Retina Display” a screen needs about 652 ppi at 10.5 inches, or 572 ppi at 12 inches. Unfortunately, a “20/20 Vision Display” doesn’t sound anywhere near as enticing as a “Retina Display” so marketing and science don’t see eye-to-eye on this…​
But the above only matters when viewing certain types of content. This was from a discussion of 720P vs. 1080P displays...
Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.

Where a 1080p smartphone display could really make an impact is with computer-generated content—that is, the user interface, buttons, and text. "Only computer-generated images make full use of the pixel resolution of the display," says Dr. Soneira. "For graphics and text, maybe you want that kind of sharpness." Like desktop computers, smartphone displays can also utilize sub-pixel rendering, which helps improve the visual sharpness of computer-generated graphics.

A 1080p display might also be useful for simply viewing 1920×1080 content and not worrying about scaling. "Every time you rescale content that’s scaled for some other resolution, it’s not going to look as good. So there’s an advantage to living with 1920×1080 even if your eye can’t appreciate the fine details, because you don’t have the rescaling artifacts," he says.
If the SGS5 "Plus" ends up QHD/S-805 I'd be willing to bet anyone here the current SGS5 will outperform it. I know this because the 2,560x1,600 display on my N10.1-14 causes it to run a lot slower than equivalent N3's using the same processor. More PPI (essentially doubled in this case) will consume more battery and any benefit of the improved GPU will be consumed (and maybe then some) by the display's enormous PPI.

The grass isn't always greener. I know because I'm in marketing and get paid a lot of money to make y'all think it is. ;)

P.S. - With high-end smartphone sales slowing down Samsung's looking for opportunities to raise their margins. If you think $50-100 is ridiculous for a storage bump that costs Samsung $10 I think you'll be shocked by the price differential for the SGS5+. All just my guess/opinion of course. ;)

I'm in marketing as well...brand marketing specifically. You?

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I'm in marketing as well...brand marketing specifically. You?

I do (have done) it all - brand, program and product. B2C and B2B. Strategic and tactical. Traditional, online, global, national, local, social, mobile. All on the client side. Brand is my favorite but in these days of calculated payback online people are losing patience with it at less than the institutional brand level (EG: Coke).
 
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For people who have to have the latest they will rage I suppose.

Read on a few Android blogs that Samsung is withholding the latest S5 sales data/milestones. The handset market is maturing so I don't think flagship sales can be sustained like it has traditionally. You are going to start seeing companies like Samsung do things like accelerated releases in order to create buzz and to keep up with incremental updates provided by competitors.
 

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You knew what the specs on this phone were. You probably tried it out with an option of returning it. You paid for this phone. If they release a better one, what does that have to do with what you bought? You got what you paid for. I never saw a promise from any manufacturer of anything that they will not release an improved product for a year. I hope they all start improving them as soon as possible. More options for me.
 

BarryH_GEG

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How certain is this?
Is there an official article (like from Samsung's page) that we can read on this?

How do carrier companies handle upgrades?
Simple replace? Do they want money? Details!

You bought phone "A." Samsung may adding a new device to supplement their portfolio, phone "B." The former has nothing to do with the latter. So the answer to your question is nothing will be done for phone "A" owners. At least not those outside their return/remorse window. I'm guessing phone "B" will be a more premium device and priced that way with the SGS5 carrying on as planned until the SGS6 comes out next spring. If the new device replaces the SGS5 Samsung will lose profit having committed to tons of components that'll go unused if the new device's design is majorly changed. If the new device costs more to build and Samsung sells it at the same price as the SGS5 they'll lose margin which they need badly to offset reductions in volume. I'm guessing but I'd say a replacement for the SGS5 is less likely than a higher-priced version Samsung will make more profit on.
 

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Dont get me wrong, the S5 is great, I am very happy with it, i'm not up for a metal case either, however given the option i'd have waited and taken the QHD screen and 805 cpu, the issue here, if the Prime is released is that we were lied to, mislead into buying the S5 when there was a better model just around the corner. This is unacceptable behaviour in my opinion, its not that a new phone is coming out, its that they lied about it to protect their sales.

Perhaps its a sign of the times that so many people think this is ok, normal even, getting shafted appears now to be the norm.

This right here, not only with Samsung, but with the world in general. People just want to sit in their comfort zone and not do anything. Personally I wouldn't mind giving the face of Samsung a punch in the face! It's wrong, and the people on here saying do nothing are wrong as well. I'm sure most of them voted for Obama too, and I'm sure they still think he's a good president.

The sad part is it probably won't do anything, even 20k people talking shlt about Samsung won't matter, because there's 6 billion other idiots out there that don't care if they get shafted because they are used to it.

Sure would be fun to just go take a dump on Samsung's CEO's desk though. Lol

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You bought phone "A." Samsung may adding a new device to supplement their portfolio, phone "B." The former has nothing to do with the latter. So the answer to your question is nothing will be done for phone "A" owners. At least not those outside their return/remorse window. I'm guessing phone "B" will be a more premium device and priced that way with the SGS5 carrying on as planned until the SGS6 comes out next spring. If the new device replaces the SGS5 Samsung will lose profit having committed to tons of components that'll go unused if the new device's design is majorly changed. If the new device costs more to build and Samsung sells it at the same price as the SGS5 they'll lose margin which they need badly to offset reductions in volume. I'm guessing but I'd say a replacement for the SGS5 is less likely than a higher-priced version Samsung will make more profit on.
Then they shouldn't even bother with a newer version of the S5.
Just stick with what we have now, until they are ready to come out with an S6.
 

BarryH_GEG

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It's wrong, and the people on here saying do nothing are wrong as well.

However given the option i'd have waited and taken the QHD screen and 805 cpu, the issue here, if the Prime is released is that we were lied to, mislead into buying the S5 when there was a better model just around the corner. This is unacceptable behaviour in my opinion, its not that a new phone is coming out, its that they lied about it to protect their sales.

Here's what I don't get. How do the words "wrong" and "lied to" apply here? Samsung announced a product with defined features and a set price. Assumedly, you found those features and price agreeable. No one's mentioned a performance deficit or problems so I'm assuming you're content with your purchase. I can see being bothered by the loss of the option to perhaps pay more for a phone with more features. But any company that announced a product and then said "but a better product's coming" would be committing corporate suicide because sales of the current product would grind to a halt while people waited so they could weigh their options. Why do you think Apple's so clandestine with their product launches and has such a short launch window? So I get your being miffed, but like someone said in an earlier post, this is truly a first world problem.

I'm sure most of them voted for Obama too, and I'm sure they still think he's a good president.

This clearly doesn't belong in this conversation or on XDA.
 

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Here's what I don't get. How do the words "wrong" and "lied to" apply here? Samsung announced a product with defined features and a set price. Assumedly, you found those features and price agreeable. No one's mentioned a performance deficit or problems so I'm assuming you're content with your purchase. I can see being bothered by the loss of the option to perhaps pay more for a phone with more features. But any company that announced a product and then said "but a better product's coming" would be committing corporate suicide because sales of the current product would grind to a halt while people waited so they could weigh their options. Why do you think Apple's so clandestine with their product launches and has such a short launch window? So I get your being miffed, but like someone said in an earlier post, this is truly a first world problem.



This clearly doesn't belong in this conversation or on XDA.
HAHA! The s5 Prime was rumored not even a week after the S5 was released. As for your other comment, it was an analogy. So analogies don't belong on XDA? Gimmie a break police officer, please.

The fact is they won't get anymore of my money from this point on. If you don't think it's wrong, I can't help that, I just don't agree with you. People like you are part of the problem though, that is all.
 

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Despite all the constructiveness in this thread, rallying against an OEM isn't allowed on xda. That said, there's already a discussion thread for the rumored high end Samsung phone here

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    Dont get me wrong, the S5 is great, I am very happy with it, i'm not up for a metal case either, however given the option i'd have waited and taken the QHD screen and 805 cpu, the issue here, if the Prime is released is that we were lied to, mislead into buying the S5 when there was a better model just around the corner. This is unacceptable behaviour in my opinion, its not that a new phone is coming out, its that they lied about it to protect their sales.

    Perhaps its a sign of the times that so many people think this is ok, normal even, getting shafted appears now to be the norm.

    I realized after I posted that I've actually just gone through something similar. I was one of the first to buy the N10.1-14 in October of last year. You'd think with 2014 in its name it would stay fresh for a while. Samsung announced the Pro-line of tablets in January, two months later with 4.4 and features the N10.1-14 didn't have. Like some in this thread, I wasn't thrilled. It turns out it's a good thing the N10.1-14 isn't a "Pro." Magazine UX consumes a ton of resources and half the features shown at its unveiling at CES were neutered when it became official. It also doesn't support Samsung Hub. Now that the N10.1-14's on 4.4 it's actually faster and cleaner than the Pro's (M-UX has to have at least one home page).

    A QHD display on a mobile device is ridiculous. The lowest common denominator isn't PPI; it's what the human eye is capable of resolving. QHD mobile devices and 4K TV's are pretty comical based on the distances they are typically viewed at. But to sell "new" higher margin TVs and get people to continue buying high-end mobile devices both are going to be drummed in to our heads as "have to have" by those with gazillion dollar marketing budgets that want us to buy them.

    This explains visual acuity and is from a display test of the iP4 when it was introduced...
    “Retina Display” is a great marketing name, and it’s the sharpest smartphone display available, 23 percent sharper than the nearest competitor, but objectively it does not meet the quantitative criteria for being a true Retina Display – it’s about a factor of two lower than the acuity of the human Retina. Rather, the iPhone 4 has a “20/20 Vision Display” because when it is held more than 10.5 inches away, a person with 20/20 Vision will not be able to resolve the iPhone 4 screen pixels, which are at 326 ppi (1 arc-minute resolution). But 20/20 Vision is the legal definition of “Normal Vision,” which is at the lower end of true normal vision. There are in fact lots of people with much better than 20/20 Vision, and for most people visual acuity is limited by blurring from the lens in the eye. The best human vision is about 20/10 Vision, twice as good as 20/20 Vision, and that is what corresponds to the acuity of the Retina. So to be a “True Retina Display” a screen needs about 652 ppi at 10.5 inches, or 572 ppi at 12 inches. Unfortunately, a “20/20 Vision Display” doesn’t sound anywhere near as enticing as a “Retina Display” so marketing and science don’t see eye-to-eye on this…​
    But the above only matters when viewing certain types of content. This was from a discussion of 720P vs. 1080P displays...
    Photos are inherently fuzzy, so it won’t matter whether they’re viewed on a 1920×1080 or 1280×720 smartphone display; you’ll still see their imperfections. "Even the tiniest image detail in a photograph is always spread over more than one pixel," Dr. Soneira explained in a follow-up e-mail. "The image detail is never perfectly aligned with the pixel structure of the display." Videos are even worse: not only are they fuzzy like photographs, but the pictures are constantly moving. Even if the images were sharp, the human brain couldn’t zero in on content that’s appearing for only a fraction of a second on such a small display. "For ordinary viewing of videos, 1920×1080 is really not going to make a visual difference," adds Dr. Soneira.

    Where a 1080p smartphone display could really make an impact is with computer-generated content—that is, the user interface, buttons, and text. "Only computer-generated images make full use of the pixel resolution of the display," says Dr. Soneira. "For graphics and text, maybe you want that kind of sharpness." Like desktop computers, smartphone displays can also utilize sub-pixel rendering, which helps improve the visual sharpness of computer-generated graphics.

    A 1080p display might also be useful for simply viewing 1920×1080 content and not worrying about scaling. "Every time you rescale content that’s scaled for some other resolution, it’s not going to look as good. So there’s an advantage to living with 1920×1080 even if your eye can’t appreciate the fine details, because you don’t have the rescaling artifacts," he says.
    If the SGS5 "Plus" ends up QHD/S-805 I'd be willing to bet anyone here the current SGS5 will outperform it. I know this because the 2,560x1,600 display on my N10.1-14 causes it to run a lot slower than equivalent N3's using the same processor. More PPI (essentially doubled in this case) will consume more battery and any benefit of the improved GPU will be consumed (and maybe then some) by the display's enormous PPI.

    The grass isn't always greener. I know because I'm in marketing and get paid a lot of money to make y'all think it is. ;)

    P.S. - With high-end smartphone sales slowing down Samsung's looking for opportunities to raise their margins. If you think $50-100 is ridiculous for a storage bump that costs Samsung $10 I think you'll be shocked by the price differential for the SGS5+. All just my guess/opinion of course. ;)
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    Do nothing. None of it will do anything, trust me. Don't waste your time.

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    What is the problem?
    LG g pro 2 and they release G3
    HTC m8 and they will release htc prime
    Sony z and they rilis z1 last year
    Samsung s5 and they release prime

    Its about providing the latest tech to customer at the earliest available time and tech war among them and apple.
    So if s5 is not attractive for s4 owner, they can now buy the prime version. S3 owner already happy upgrading to s5.

    Do u want samsung to delay s5 to july waiting for the better tech in Q2/Q3 2014? Or htc/sony delay m8/z2 waiting for the same? S5/m8/z2 is using the latest tech available to mass produced on Q1 2014. Why complain?

    Technology always moving fast.



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    Just interested in how current S5 owners will feel if Samsung brings out an upgrade to the current S5 this year after stating clearly this was not going to happen. Personally I would have not purchased the S5, kept the S3 and waited for the super model.

    Also do you think we should do anything about it, spam Samsung's facebook account, write letters of complaint, or will we just have to lump it?

    I know this has been discussed to death already, just interested in numbers and whether as a group we should do anything about it, please dont discuss anything else here but that.
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    Despite all the constructiveness in this thread, rallying against an OEM isn't allowed on xda. That said, there's already a discussion thread for the rumored high end Samsung phone here

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