My Samsung Focus S full review with comparisons to Focus! (Videos will come)

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jmerrey

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Good review!

I'm not sure about your comment on the play/pause/next track button being able to be fixed with a software update. If you fiddle with the plug a bit, and hold the button down for a few seconds, the track will pause. It won't work every time, and it never lets you double press to change tracks. But, this tells me that it could be a hardware design problem. I notice that the plug hole has an elliptical shape to it. I looked at the gs2, which has a similar design, and the plug hole is not as sloped. Just speculation on my part, but it is worrisome.

That said, I hope you are correct and it is fixable, otherwise it's a deal breaker for me.
 

Red Grenadine

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Does the Focus S lay completely flat on a table?

The Focus has a bump around the camera lens in the back so the phone tilts one way or the other if you touch the screen, which is annoying to me.

One thing my old iPhone 4 got right was the flat back

Thanks
 

greyhulk

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Camera - Still working on this!
Well this camera is definitely quicker than the Focus' and when holding each phones in the same spot, the Focus S will give you a greater viewing range and you'll be able to see more in the frame. But other than that I don't think the camera is much of an improvement on the Focus'. I'm still working on taking examples on both phones for a comparison. The camera offers no new settings (such as HTC's burst and panorama modes). I tested the LED on both the Focus S and the Focus in the dark and I think the Focus' LED is slightly brighter but it's pretty close and hard to tell. Overall I'm don't think I'm impressed with the camera. :(

I'm not really sure how you can say that that camera isn't better than the original Focus. The original Focus camera sucked, especially in low light conditions. The Focus S has the same camera as the Samsung Galaxy S2. I have taken comparison shots with my iPhone 4s and many of the Focus S's shots actually look better. Just like the SG2, it shows more detail and handles low light pretty well. There's absolutely no comparison between the camera on the original Focus and the one on the Focus S.
 

Jkhudg

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I picked one up this week as well; upgrading from an iPhone 3GS.

So far I am digging the device. It's very quick, and I keep getting comments from everyone about how fast it is. I haven't thrown any intensive games at it, but as far as music, video, menu navigation, messaging, 4G, this baby flies. No hiccups.

I do agree with the comment that it is almost too light/thin. I never thought that would be an issue, but in some ways, it can seem awkward when holding. It feels like it's always about to fall out of my hand. This is compounded with the fact that AT&T didn't have any cases available this week. So when you have a light, super thin, smooth plastic-like device in your hand, you take caution. This may be something I will get over with more usage or when I get a case.

One other major annoyance...which the review mentioned:

The audio on my device is way too quiet. I am not one of those former boom-box on the shoulder types who wants to blow my eardrums out with some Dr. Dre Beats; but when I have the phone up at 30/30 and I am still not feeling the music, we have problems. I noticed this almost immediately after leaving the store when I plugged in the phone to my car's aux cable. The audio was just way too weak, especially compared to the iPhone I used before. A little bit of a boost would make all of the difference in the world. I initially came to this forum looking for codes such as *#0002*28346# to do the trick, but this isn't working with my diagnosis version (.0923). If anyone has any ideas let me know, otherwise I assume that the codes for this device just aren't available yet.

Still awesome. Phone exceeds expectations in all other categories.

Red Grenadine: the bump is still around the camera. It leans slightly if you push the edges of the screen when laying flat.
 
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clfosk

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Good review!

I'm not sure about your comment on the play/pause/next track button being able to be fixed with a software update. If you fiddle with the plug a bit, and hold the button down for a few seconds, the track will pause. It won't work every time, and it never lets you double press to change tracks. But, this tells me that it could be a hardware design problem. I notice that the plug hole has an elliptical shape to it. I looked at the gs2, which has a similar design, and the plug hole is not as sloped. Just speculation on my part, but it is worrisome.

That said, I hope you are correct and it is fixable, otherwise it's a deal breaker for me.

My bad. I haven't experienced the issue myself but I've read that others have had it. I thought it was a software issue but I guess not. :(

Does the Focus S lay completely flat on a table?

The Focus has a bump around the camera lens in the back so the phone tilts one way or the other if you touch the screen, which is annoying to me.

One thing my old iPhone 4 got right was the flat back

Thanks
It does not lay flat. If you touch the screen near the right or left edges it will tilt.

I'm not really sure how you can say that that camera isn't better than the original Focus. The original Focus camera sucked, especially in low light conditions. The Focus S has the same camera as the Samsung Galaxy S2. I have taken comparison shots with my iPhone 4s and many of the Focus S's shots actually look better. Just like the SG2, it shows more detail and handles low light pretty well. There's absolutely no comparison between the camera on the original Focus and the one on the Focus S.
I've taken a bunch of pictures with both phones and I'm honestly not decided yet. Sometimes the Focus S' pictures look better and sometimes they don't. I took some indoor shots with no flash and the Focus S' pictures came out much worse than my Focus. Also, I took a pictures of my ceiling fan/light on both phones and the Focus S' pictures had some weird purple/blue light distortion all over the place. I'll hopefully post some picture comparisons soon.
 

greyhulk

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Here are some sample pics. These are the comparison pics I took with the iPhone 4s. All of these (Focus S) pics are better, with the exception of one that the iPhone 4s handled better. They were taken in all sorts of lighting conditions (overcast, indoor, with flash). I have zero complaints about this photo quality and I have yet to see a phone do a significantly better job.
 

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jmerrey

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I actually have no idea if it's software or hardware. I certainly hope its software, and therefore correctable, but my guess is it's software.

Sent from my SGH-i937 using Board Express
 

MartyLK

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Here are some sample pics. These are the comparison pics I took with the iPhone 4s. All of these (Focus S) pics are better, with the exception of one that the iPhone 4s handled better. They were taken in all sorts of lighting conditions (overcast, indoor, with flash). I have zero complaints about this photo quality and I have yet to see a phone do a significantly better job.
I did some comparison pics also. But my iPhone is the iPhone 4, not the 4S. My Focus pics turned out more pleasing to my eye, though. I'd say the Focus has the better camera.
 

AnyMal

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Here are some sample pics. These are the comparison pics I took with the iPhone 4s. All of these (Focus S) pics are better, with the exception of one that the iPhone 4s handled better. They were taken in all sorts of lighting conditions (overcast, indoor, with flash). I have zero complaints about this photo quality and I have yet to see a phone do a significantly better job.
Can I haz ur puppy? :D
 

domineus

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Tale of two cameras with the Samsung Focus S on my end. On the one hand, some of the images taken in natural lighting are amazing. but under some darker conditions, well the performance is less than stellar unfortunately
 

djdurance

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Just got to use the Focus S. Screen and Camera on the S are definitely a step up. Very significant differences.

Sent from my Focus using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
 

clfosk

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I'm experiencing flickering on pure white screens such as twitter and Facebook.

Flickering in brightness? You need to go to Settings > Extra Settings > and turn off Auto Display Intensity. It won't stay off and you'll need to turn it off each reset.

But if it's an issue of flickering bands going across the display like in the video I posted in the first post, that's a screen issue.
 

Illicit Hero

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Flickering in brightness? You need to go to Settings > Extra Settings > and turn off Auto Display Intensity. It won't stay off and you'll need to turn it off each reset.

But if it's an issue of flickering bands going across the display like in the video I posted in the first post, that's a screen issue.

Both, but thanks on the first fix. :D Although I don't plan on keeping it much longer... What also doesn't make much sense at all to me is that the SGS2 camera seems better than this one even though they are the same. I'll post pics in a bit.
 
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djdurance

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Definitely enjoying the Focus S. Camera is slightly better all round now that I have had a chance to play with it. Slightly more noise than the Focus but more detail. Overall a worthy upgrade.

Screen is higher quality as well. Need to do more testing to get a full review up.
 

clfosk

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I'm starting to hear loud static/crackling from the speaker during phone calls. Not all the time, it happens randomly. Very disappointing. In my opinion Samsung definitely skimped on the speakers and microphone in this device.
 

djdurance

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Just ran the battery benchmark. Focus S ran for 4:30 versus 3:37 for the Focus.

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djdurance

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Good review just posted... Shows a good comparison between the focus and the focus s for cameras. No more confusion about which one is better... Focus S is a major improvement. This concurs with what my own informal tests hav shows as well.

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    NOT DONE YET but here's my pretty long review of the Samsung Focus S and comparing it to the original Samsung Focus. I tried to go over every single thing I could possibly think of and hopefully someone appreciates it! Post any questions you have and I hope others will post their experiences as well.

    Still in progress: CPU benchmarks, 4G speed tests, camera review and examples, battery life, some videos.

    Performance

    CPU - Still working on this!
    With the faster processor loading times are definitely shorter on apps and games. You'll notice that XBOX Live and Marketplace both open a second quicker. Also you will see better performance within apps, with less lagging and faster scrolling. Runs great and I'm loving the performance boost. :)

    (Benchmarks coming soon)

    GPU
    The upgraded GPU is great! I tested Super Mario Bros 3 on an NES emulator and was getting 48-55 fps WITH sound and 60 fps without! Plays near perfectly.
    (Video coming soon)

    4G - Still working on this!
    So far I haven't noticed much of a speed increase. I live in a 4G covered area and I get 5 bars at home. I will do some more studying and speed testing and get back to this.
    Internet sharing is listed on the settings page but when attempting to turn it on you get a message about signing up for an appropriate tethering plan. If you reload internet sharing through provision xml it will get rid of the message.

    RAM
    A few apps report it as having 354MB of RAM. They report the Focus as having 481mb. Both have 512MB and the 'missing' RAM is not useable because it's dedicated to the GPU. You won't even know it's gone though and the GPU's increased performance is worth it. I tried a test where I launched Fruit Ninja, Hydro Thunder GO, Sonic The Hedgehog Episode 1, and Twin Blades and checked the RAM usage. All games were in the middle of gameplay (not at the start screen) and dehydrate on pause was disabled allowing them to all stay where they were at in the game. My peak RAM usage reported as only 31MB.

    GPS & WiFi
    I tried them and they work just as they should. Still unable to connect to hidden WiFi networks though.

    Battery - Still working on this!
    I still need to go through a few more power cycles to know what it's like for sure. I'm a heavy user and I'm on my phone all day long so it does not last me the whole day. I'll post more info once I have a better idea.

    Keyboard
    Right now there is an issue with the keyboard. Many people think the keyboard is lagging. However I think it's just the keyboard tap sounds that are delayed. It makes it really annoying to type because you THINK it's lagging. To me the letters come up just as fast as I type them and when you turn off the sound it doesn't seem delayed in the slightest. It should only take a simple update to fix that.


    Hardware

    This phone is much thinner and lighter than the Focus. It does not feel too big in hand and I think it's a perfect size. After only using it for the first few hours, my Focus already felt like a brick compared to it. When pictures of the Focus S first came out I didn't like the aesthetics of the textured backplate but it feels nice in hand and adds some much needed grip. I wished the bezel around the around of the phone was less pronounced and it looked more like the original Focus in that aspect. At first it kinda feels cheapish because it is plastic and extremely light but I've gotten over that and no longer feel that way. The device feels solid. The backplate on it is the thinnest piece of plactic ever and it will bend and can easily break. Not extremely difficult to take off and I actually like it better than the Focus' which I thought was a pain to take off because I felt like I was gonna break the phone while doing so. A nice little added touch is that when you tap on a capacitive button it will dim the button's backlight a little bit.

    Screen
    The bigger screen size is great but my feelings about this SAMOLED+ display are mixed. I have a huge problem with the display and that is a ghosting/blurring issue. Whenever you are scrolling through lists the texts is blurry and once you stop you can see it 'snap' into focus again. It's also noticeable during animations such as launching XBOX Live. This might not bother some but to me I find it highly annoying! I don't experience it on my Focusat all. May be my biggest issue with the phone.
    Another issue with the display is the brightness. I guess Samsung wanted to preserve as much battery life as possible and they made the lowest brightness of the screen extremely LOW. But let me explain, the maximum brightness is plenty bright, the problem is just the minimum brightness level. When comparing the Focus and Focus S both on the highest setting; the Focus S is definitely brighter, and on the lowest setting: the Focus S is way dimmer. The issue is what they have set for the lowest screen brightness, it's just too damn low! You will need to keep your phone on atleast medium brightness, low is pretty much unuseable and that's not even talking about during outside use. This also affects the automatic setting as well and it will be way too low most of the time. I don't think the brightness issue is a big deal though because:
    1- It can easily be fixed with an update.
    2- I put together a file you can deploy to your unlocked phone that will edit the registry to increase the brightness of the low setting. It will make the low setting similar to the brightness of the Focus' low setting. The only issue is it will NOT fix the automatic setting and that will continue to be way too dim.
    Also there is another new setting that will mess up your brightness levels. Samsung added a page to settings called Extra Settings that will bring up the option to turn on/off the following:
    Auto Display Intensity
    Key Vibration Feedback
    Echo Cancellation
    Auto Display Intensity needs to be turned OFF. With it on you will notice the brightness constantly flickering, especially on a light background. It's extremely annoying. The problem though is you can turn it off but the setting doesn't want to stick! If you soft reset your phone it will turn back on and you'll need to switch it off again. Trust me you'll want to... I find it horrible. The did release an update for Extra Settings in the marketplace but it did not solve this issue. Atleast we know it's a simple app update through the marketplace though.

    I think the Super AMOLED Plus' colors look a little fake and more saturated. I don't think it's too terrible though. The Focus' colors may be more true, but during movie playback I like how the Focus S' colors looked. Daylight use is fine as long as your on atleast medium brightness. Viewing angles are pretty good.

    One last thing about the display. I did experience some weird flickering on my device the second day I had it. It hasn't happened since then but I don't think it's a good sign. I did get to take a video of it. It's hard to see it in the video because it kinda looks like distortion from filming but look closely, all those dark flickering bands you see are happening on the screen.
    I don't know if it will happen again but if anyone else has experienced it let me know!

    Camera - Still working on this!
    Well this camera is definitely quicker than the Focus' and when holding each phones in the same spot, the Focus S will give you a greater viewing range and you'll be able to see more in the frame. But other than that I don't think the camera is much of an improvement on the Focus'. I'm still working on taking examples on both phones for a comparison. The camera offers no new settings (such as HTC's burst and panorama modes). I tested the LED on both the Focus S and the Focus in the dark and I think the Focus' LED is slightly brighter but it's pretty close and hard to tell. Overall I'm don't think I'm impressed with the camera. :(

    I haven't taken any videos with the camera yet and will get to that later.

    Front Facing Camera
    It's there and it works! Quality is not great of course... standard poor webcam-type quality. Tango works great though and hopefully Skype will be released soon. Ability to use your phone as a mirror is nice. Pictures taken with the front facing cam are reversed after being taken, which I think is kinda annoying.

    Storage
    16GB actually meanings 14.07GB total. After a fresh install Zune will show you that 1GB is used with 12.53GB free. If you go into Zune's setting and lower reserved space to 0% it will give you 335.78MB used and 13.20GB free. It was depressing finding out the Focus S would only have 16GB instead of 32GB and no MicroSD slot. I never used the MicroSD slot in my Focus in fear of a random hard reset so 16GB is still an upgrade for me. I kept some music on my Focus (around 2 or 3GB) but no movies (never had space for them). My Focus was filled completely so it's nice to have some breathing room now. Even though it's not ideal I think 16GB is sufficient enough for now.

    Speakers
    First of all the speaker on the back is at the bottom of the phone. I think this is a poor position for it. While holding the phone your hand will tend to cover it and distort the sound. The loudspeaker is also not as loud as the Focus and doesn't sound as good. The sound with headphones plugged in was disappointing. Compared to the Focus it sounded very flat. The Focus has more bass and music sounds much better on it. Samsung doesn't offer any sort of equalizer app. Headphone volume also doesn't get as loud. :(

    Microphone
    I did a test where I recorded myself talking on both the Focus S and the Focus at the same time. The Focus S had a noticeable static in the background while the Focus' recording did not. :(

    MicroUSB
    The MicroUSB port is at the bottom now. It seems like it makes more sense to have it at the bottom. No little door covering it but I don't miss it. It's low profile and hassle free. If you keep your phone in a cup holder or so while driving it may be awkward to have it plugged in now. But it is easier to talk on the phone with it plugged in at the bottom. The moved it to the bottom but you know Samsung won't release a dock for this phone, it's a shame.

    Buttons
    The buttons on the phone feel really good, easy, and very pressable!


    Call quality

    So far I haven't had any dropped calls. Seems pretty decent in that regard. BUT I've been told there is an obvious decrease in sound quality on the other end since getting my new phone. Multiple times I've been told that the other person couldn't hear me at all. It seems to happen when I have the phone about 4-5 inches from my mouth (for example when I'm laying down and have the phone on pillow). The in-call volume is still too low just like the Focus. I wish I was able to hold the phone more than a few inches away from my head and still hear it. Speakerphone is pretty mediocre and not great. I'm disappointed with the microphone and speakers on this phone. :(


    Homebrew

    The current registry editors out there do not work. Only way to edit registry is with using a provisioning xml. I have used this method to enable the instant resume hack and to increase the brightness when on the low setting. I tried to change accent colors using this method but so far have been unsuccessful.

    Interop unlock works but doesn't. You are able to install the unlock, removing your sideload limit and getting rid 0x81030120 error when deploying interop apps. BUT the apps you deploy won't work. They will either fail to start or their functions just won't work.

    The diagnosis app is installed the same way as before (dialing ##634#). It is version 0923. Not all the codes are the same though! *#77284# (tethering) and *#9908# (GPRS Manager) still work. Some other ones that I tried like Auto SIM Configure do not.

    USB tethering is possible! Similar to tethering on the Focus but an extra step is need as discovered by dbrandusa. See instructions here:
    http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=19175627&postcount=8


    Overall

    Pros
    New CPU/GPU offers a definite increase in speed and power. App launching, app performance, gaming, HTML5 all benefit from it
    Bigger screen size and yet thinner and lighter, perfectly sized device in my opinion
    Bigger storage capacity (but no MicroSD)
    4G capable (but don't expect a significant speed increase)
    Has front facing camera (even though quality is nothing special)
    Easy to press buttons

    Cons
    SAMOLED+ display produces very annoying ghosting/blurring. Also potential flicker issue
    Microphone has some static and issues with other people not hearing you during the call
    Speakers are not as loud as Focus' and sound flat
    Camera is not much of an improvement
    Headphone quality is much worse than Focus' (needs more bass)
    Headphone cable controls do not work anymore (Unsure if it's an issue with the aux design or a software issue)
    Delayed keyboard tap bug *can be fixed with update*
    Extremely low brightness when on low or automatic settings. Annoying "auto intensity display" setting that turns itself on after each soft reset *can be fixed with update*

    I really want to love this device. Looking at it sitting there I just want to grab it and play with it much more than my Focus. But I think I was happier with it until I starting comparing it side by side with my Focus. At that point I started seeing it's flaws. I love the faster CPU & GPU, dimensions, screen size, storage upgrade, having a front facing camera, but the biggest dealbreakers for me are the ghosting on the display, poor headphone sound quality, and in-call microphone issues. I will definitely be exchanging it for a HTC Titan on the 20th and I'll see how I feel about that device. If I decide it's too big, the pixel density is too low, or some other major issue I will come back to the Focus S. If you have a Focus or other first generation device and debating between upgrading to the Focus S or waiting to see what is coming (from Nokia and such): just ask yourself are you content with your current storage capacity and screen size? Do you really need your apps to load a second earlier? Do you HAVE to have a front facing camera? If you do need those things NOW and the Titan is too big of a device for you than I think it'll be worth the upgrade. If you do get one you'll just have to be patient for the bug fixes though. If it's your first Windows Phone you'll probably be content with it as long as you turn the brightness up.
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    Can you get to the Diagnosis app by dialing ##634# from the phone app?

    Yes. The diagnosis app version is 0923 and I've notice some of the old codes from the Focus work and some don't.

    The employee at AT&T told me they should have cases in a week but who knows if that's true.
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    Nice. Does the USB path control menu (aka modem mode) work? ( *#7284# from diagnosis)
    Yes. There's a couple more options in there now I'm not sure if they do anything.