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As time goes by and Mango so close Android & iOS are getting boring every single day

Hi guys,

Our friends at WinRumors have created a very usefull list with “Mango” feature and demos in which I added some extra movies.

I will update this thread with future features and videos.

Microsoft's Mango promo video - Video
Windows Phone Newsroom: Video Gallery
Windows Phone Newsroom: Image Gallery
Windows Phone 7 Mango Hands-On Part 1
Windows Phone 7 Mango Hands-On Part 2
wpcentral Review of Windows Phone 7.5 Mango: Part 1
wpcentral Review Windows Phone 7.5 Mango: Part II IE9
wpcentral Review Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango" Part III: Bing + Speech
wpcentral Review WP7.5 "Mango" Part IV: Xbox + Zune Player


17-05-2011
Outlook Conversation View – Emails combined together in threads
Lync Messaging Client – Enterprise messaging client - VIDEO
Twitter - Tweets integration into people hub
Office 365 integration – Office 365 features built-in - New Video
Bing Vision – Scan QR, Microsoft Tags, books, CDs and DVDs . New Video
Bing Audio – Similar to Shazam, will identify songs
Windows Live Messenger integration – Integrated into the people hub and messaging hub - More info updated
Facebook Chat integration – Integrated into the people hub and messaging hub
AOL Messenger integration – Integrated into the people hub and messaging hub
Contacts grouping – Create groups of contacts to send messages to
Xbox LIVE sync function – Sync function to likely sync settings/games across devices
Now playing artist information on lock screen – album art on the lock screen
Visual Voicemail support - Visual voicemail using same method as iOS/Android
■ Network awareness NCSI support – improvements for switching between networks/optimization
Internet Explorer 9 mobile – HTML5 support and hardware acceleration - VIDEO
Multitasking support – switch quickly between apps
■ Fast application resume – quickly resume recently used apps - New Video
Podcast support – download podcasts via the Marketplace
■ Turn-by-turn navigation in Bing Maps - voice guided directions and turn-by-turn
■ SMS dictation – Microsoft tellme dictates messages - wpcentral article - Video
■ East Asian Language keyboard support – additional language support
■ Handwriting and dictionary support – support for writing Chinese characters
Pin Outlook Folders – Pin folders as favorites inside Outlook
SkyDrive integration – Access SkyDrive documents from Office Hub
Kinect support for games - interact with Kinect and Xbox games from Windows Phone
Outlook email server search – search Exchange servers from Outlook client
■ Complex (alpha-numeric) password support – strong number and character password support
■ Information Rights Management – support for protecting e-mails and Office documents
■ Ringtone support – third party ringtone support
■ App list – automatically detect list, implemented jump list and search for apps
■ Marketplace search improvements – apps, podcasts, music separated for easy search
■ App install improvements – progress bar install UI
■ Search extras – User search actions can be connected to third-party apps
■ Motion Sensor – apps to use new gyroscope hardware
Background audio – apps can run audio in the background
■ File download service – third-party apps can download files from the web
■ Alarms – alarm notifications for third-party apps
■ Pin app features – Users can pin live tiles of deep app features in third-party apps
Zune Smart DJ mix – allows users to discover new music and save/create playlists

21-05-2011
■ Camera sound toggle – users can now disable the camera shutter sound.
■ Update Live Tile system - VIDEO
■ Access to over 1500 APIs
■ Support for Qualcomm MSM7X30 and MSM8X55 SoCs
■ Added 16 Languages
■ Increased country support for app submission and download
■ Performance increases - VIDEO - VIDEO
■ Battery life enhancements - WMPowerusers
■ Support for access to hidden corporate Wi-Fi networks
■ Unified inbox. You will now have multiple accounts in just one Hub
■ Games Hub gets a facelift, including 'sync' option (potentially for online-game play)
■ Native Checkins are coming e.g. Facebook Places
■ Post-NoDo 16 Bit Issue On HTC Devices Will Be Fixed With Mango. More Info.
■ Microsoft On Copy & Paste, Including Changes Coming With Mango. More Info.
■ Apps Search Button on Start Menu . VIDEO
■ Improved Bluetooth support coming to Windows Phone 7.5 too - Source WMPoweruser

24-05-2011 - Windows Phone Newsroom: Webcast
■ Windows Phone Mango Internet features - VIDEO
■ Windows Phone Mango App Features - VIDEO
■ Windows Phone Mango communications features - VIDEO
■ App Connect. See apps in search results and hubs such as Music + Videos and Pictures. App Connect works with Marketplace, so results include both apps already on your phone and new apps to download.
■ Local Scout: The provision of local results and recommendations for restaurants nearby, shops and proposals for activities, in a user-friendly guide. wpcentral article
■ Quick Cards (Quick Cards):When searching for a product, a movie, an event or a place we have available a summary and relevant applications.
■ Photo Tagging: A new facial detection software that makes easy tagging your photos or posting them on the internet.

26-05-2011
■ Windows Phone Mango Brings New Emoticons To Text Messages - Source pocketnow.com
■ Mango Bringing Windows Phone Marketplace To The Web - Source pocketnow.com

03-06-2011
■ Better playback controls
■ Podcasts now included
■ Better artist images
■ More playback info
■ More playback options
■ New playlist option
■ Better data management
■ More video options
■ Group Calendar Event Invitation
■ Messaging Hub – Location Context
■ Web Marketplace coming alongside Mango - Windows Phone Hacker
■ Mango, interacting with your Xbox Live avatar - Cool VIDEO
■ Mango saves your camera's flash settings - wpcentral
■ "Me tile", Facebook Check In, Set IM Status VIDEO
■ Exchange tasks shown in calendar - VIDEO
■ XBox Avatar dancing to the music being played - AWESOME FUNNY VIDEO

More to come...
 
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Finally starting to look like a smartphone. I can't wait to get my hands on it.
 

Purple11

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All these 'feature' enhancements are useless if you cant keep your phone switched on for more than 8 hours.. I leave my home in morning at 10 AM fully charged and by time its 4PM my battery looses all its candles and by the time I get back home at like 6PM it starts giving me 'Critical battery level' warning.. and all this when I dont even use WIFI or listen to music.. just use it to store appointments check email and market rates and read news and check weather updates.. over 3G.. all day long I am always praying god, plz dont switch off my phone.. coz once it switches off its a pain in ass to charge it back again to the retstart level.. even once it reaches restart level I cant use my phone for next 30 mins and just let it sit and charge.. if I try to even send a text it immidiately switches off and another long wait follows..

With all these new feature and flipping of live tiles and multi-tasking which will be using some sort of cache to store your recently used applications, push notifications for third party apps, I am worried it might drain down my battery more..

These feature are great and wonderful.. their have been no other phone which has been as smart as this one in human history, but the 'Battery Enhancement' feature is most critical for me.

Or atleast in future release some new WP7 devices with greater battery capacity.. I would be more than willing to sell my Omnia for any new WP7 that comes out with a greater 'lithium?' capacity..

And BTW when was the last time we saw a new WP7 device coming to the market from manufacturers?? 6-8 months back.. that ASUS phone have been floating around since forever. I dont know when the heck will they release that phone in market.
 
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Smartphones and chargers go together these days. You'll rarely find anybody, including many businessmen, who don't have a charger available everywhere they go. Especially considering the size of a lot of these WP7 screens, the battery is exceptional. I use the phone non-stop. I'm a Twitter addict, I use well over 13,000 texts a month, I make calls, etc and my battery lasts me the entire day. On days I use Netflix or constantly stream music I need to charge it on the go obviously, but other than that, it's fine. And I have the biggest screen of them all.

Also, about the camera settings... I really hope "saving" them is optional, because I actually agree with Microsoft and this whole reverting back to default stance. I don't want to open up the camera and have to disable a filter that I set the previous use... I really don't.
 

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All these 'feature' enhancements are useless if you cant keep your phone switched on for more than 8 hours.. I leave my home in morning at 10 AM fully charged and by time its 4PM my battery looses all its candles and by the time I get back home at like 6PM it starts giving me 'Critical battery level' warning.. and all this when I dont even use WIFI or listen to music.. just use it to store appointments check email and market rates and read news and check weather updates.. over 3G.. all day long I am always praying god, plz dont switch off my phone.. coz once it switches off its a pain in ass to charge it back again to the retstart level.. even once it reaches restart level I cant use my phone for next 30 mins and just let it sit and charge.. if I try to even send a text it immidiately switches off and another long wait follows..

With all these new feature and flipping of live tiles and multi-tasking which will be using some sort of cache to store your recently used applications, push notifications for third party apps, I am worried it might drain down my battery more..

These feature are great and wonderful.. their have been no other phone which has been as smart as this one in human history, but the 'Battery Enhancement' feature is most critical for me.

Or atleast in future release some new WP7 devices with greater battery capacity.. I would be more than willing to sell my Omnia for any new WP7 that comes out with a greater 'lithium?' capacity..

And BTW when was the last time we saw a new WP7 device coming to the market from manufacturers?? 6-8 months back.. that ASUS phone have been floating around since forever. I dont know when the heck will they release that phone in market.

If battery life is that big of an issue for you, buy a charger for work as well as a spare battery for travel.

I have two batteries for my Focus, so if I'm traveling on a long trip and blow out one battery I can just pop another in. Also I have the option to charge it at work when needed
 
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Purple11

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Smartphones and chargers go together these days. You'll rarely find anybody, including many businessmen, who don't have a charger available everywhere they go. Especially considering the size of a lot of these WP7 screens, the battery is exceptional. I use the phone non-stop. I'm a Twitter addict, I use well over 13,000 texts a month, I make calls, etc and my battery lasts me the entire day. On days I use Netflix or constantly stream music I need to charge it on the go obviously, but other than that, it's fine. And I have the biggest screen of them all.

Also, about the camera settings... I really hope "saving" them is optional, because I actually agree with Microsoft and this whole reverting back to default stance. I don't want to open up the camera and have to disable a filter that I set the previous use... I really don't.

I use European phone in US, even though Expansys did sent me a plug to convert the charger but my wall charger dosent charge my phone at all.. thats why they gave me a free car charger as a note of 'apologises'... i dont drive so I dont know if that car charger works or not..

As for the USB cable of my Omnia I can see how small it is built so that i can carry it with me all the time.. but the thing is USB cable too dosent really charges your phone and just perhaps keep it away from discharging more power... the only time USB cable charges your phone is when you have zune running and cable hooked in.. someone can test this.. because sometimes at night when I plugged in my USB and hibernated my laptop in morning I wake up to see the same or less battery level, but not fully charged or more than when I left it in plugged.. when I leave my laptop running with zune running it fully charges in 8 hour or so..

I am not sure if its like that for others, but my battery level dosent rise if I plug in the USB to a computer without zune or to a comp with zune but in hibernate mode..
 

FiyaFleye

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I use European phone in US, even though Expansys did sent me a plug to convert the charger but my wall charger dosent charge my phone at all.. thats why they gave me a free car charger as a note of 'apologises'... i dont drive so I dont know if that car charger works or not..

As for the USB cable of my Omnia I can see how small it is built so that i can carry it with me all the time.. but the thing is USB cable too dosent really charges your phone and just perhaps keep it away from discharging more power... the only time USB cable charges your phone is when you have zune running and cable hooked in.. someone can test this.. because sometimes at night when I plugged in my USB and hibernated my laptop in morning I wake up to see the same or less battery level, but not fully charged or more than when I left it in plugged.. when I leave my laptop running with zune running it fully charges in 8 hour or so..

I am not sure if its like that for others, but my battery level dosent rise if I plug in the USB to a computer without zune or to a comp with zune but in hibernate mode..

I've heard that from a few people, I personally I have never charged any phone through a USB port... Just don't like to, so I can't really give you my input. But, if your phone is dying that fast with as minimal usage as you say, maybe something else is up, because a lot of users have actually praised the battery life. I'm also fortunate that I have chargers everywhere I go, your situation is a bit more complicated though.
 

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Can this discussion be taken to a more appropriate thread? It's an important topic, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the discussion of upcoming Mango features.
 
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All these 'feature' enhancements are useless if you cant keep your phone switched on for more than 8 hours.. I leave my home in morning at 10 AM fully charged and by time its 4PM my battery looses all its candles and by the time I get back home at like 6PM it starts giving me 'Critical battery level' warning.. and all this when I dont even use WIFI or listen to music...

I think your phone is borked. My Focus had great battery life, and my HTC Arrive will go two days with emails checking every 15, both data/wifi, tons of internet, some music, and gaming, etc.
 

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I think your phone is borked. My Focus had great battery life, and my HTC Arrive will go two days with emails checking every 15, both data/wifi, tons of internet, some music, and gaming, etc.

The problem is data connection. If i disable it, i can use my phone for 3-4 days without recharging.
And you can recharge phone trough USB (no Zune), but it takes long time.
WM6-6.5 disconnect data connection if not in use, don`t know why can`t they make it like thad.
 
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15 posts in and we're at battery life already? Battery life is fine. Omnia hits battery far harder than any of the HTCs I've used but I can use my pro 7 at work all day taking calls, go out running for 1.5hrs that night with endomondo running and listening to music and it will still last me through the morning. My HD2 would have kerploded.

as for the little title at the top of this page - I cannot wait. APIs are gonna be huge and I can't wait to see the different apps created as a result. IE will be a massive boost too with HTML5 support.

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15 posts in and we're at battery life already? Battery life is fine. Omnia hits battery far harder than any of the HTCs I've used but I can use my pro 7 at work all day taking calls, go out running for 1.5hrs that night with endomondo running and listening to music and it will still last me through the morning. My HD2 would have kerploded.

as for the little title at the top of this page - I cannot wait. APIs are gonna be huge and I can't wait to see the different apps created as a result. IE will be a massive boost too with HTML5 support.

Sent from my 7 Pro T7576 using Board Express

Do you like your 7 pro? I have an Evo, but that is the only sprint WP7 available (as you know) right now.. My upgrade is coming up in August, and idk if I should hold out for a different WP7 (mango ready).

Sorry op, I know I am off topic, but I want some good information on the phone. :)

Wont happen again.

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Do you like your 7 pro? I have an Evo, but that is the only sprint WP7 available (as you know) right now.. My upgrade is coming up in August, and idk if I should hold out for a different WP7 (mango ready).

Sorry op, I know I am off topic, but I want some good information on the phone. :)

Wont happen again.

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I had an Evo...still kinda have it in my possession (gave it to my mom) and now i have the Arrive. Its pretty insane. Battery life is much better...and the feel. WP7 just has that feel too it...the screen seems silky smooth...so responsive. The keyboard is pretty insane too, nice thing to use in the sunlight. Smaller screen but going from the Evo to the Arrive...you'll type so fast on the Arrive it'd be ridiculous.

But by the time its August hopefully there will be newer phones...whether or not those phones will have better specs on Sprint...i'm not sure. I'm still kinda new to this whole WP7 thing. Thats why I love this thread...everyone said Mango would be huge but I just had no idea...
 

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I see in one video, that in mango you can search one app of your app list with a "search button".
They includen a organizacion based in alfabethical name with leters (like contacts hub).
This is a BAD method (for me) because with a large list of aplication you dont remember the name of aplication. In other cases the name is not intuitive (example: flory for gtalk cliente).

The posibility of create forlders (or cathegories) will be better than this "order" method.

I cand belive that microsoft don´t think on it!
 

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As probably this Mango will not introduce any kind of file explorer
And probably no Bluetooth transfer of files,

What do we know about:
* Multiple docs send in one email (instead of idiotic one doc per email)
* Docs transfer by Zune
* Outlook desktop sync?
 

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    As time goes by and Mango so close Android & iOS are getting boring every single day

    Hi guys,

    Our friends at WinRumors have created a very usefull list with “Mango” feature and demos in which I added some extra movies.

    I will update this thread with future features and videos.

    Microsoft's Mango promo video - Video
    Windows Phone Newsroom: Video Gallery
    Windows Phone Newsroom: Image Gallery
    Windows Phone 7 Mango Hands-On Part 1
    Windows Phone 7 Mango Hands-On Part 2
    wpcentral Review of Windows Phone 7.5 Mango: Part 1
    wpcentral Review Windows Phone 7.5 Mango: Part II IE9
    wpcentral Review Windows Phone 7.5 "Mango" Part III: Bing + Speech
    wpcentral Review WP7.5 "Mango" Part IV: Xbox + Zune Player


    17-05-2011
    Outlook Conversation View – Emails combined together in threads
    Lync Messaging Client – Enterprise messaging client - VIDEO
    Twitter - Tweets integration into people hub
    Office 365 integration – Office 365 features built-in - New Video
    Bing Vision – Scan QR, Microsoft Tags, books, CDs and DVDs . New Video
    Bing Audio – Similar to Shazam, will identify songs
    Windows Live Messenger integration – Integrated into the people hub and messaging hub - More info updated
    Facebook Chat integration – Integrated into the people hub and messaging hub
    AOL Messenger integration – Integrated into the people hub and messaging hub
    Contacts grouping – Create groups of contacts to send messages to
    Xbox LIVE sync function – Sync function to likely sync settings/games across devices
    Now playing artist information on lock screen – album art on the lock screen
    Visual Voicemail support - Visual voicemail using same method as iOS/Android
    ■ Network awareness NCSI support – improvements for switching between networks/optimization
    Internet Explorer 9 mobile – HTML5 support and hardware acceleration - VIDEO
    Multitasking support – switch quickly between apps
    ■ Fast application resume – quickly resume recently used apps - New Video
    Podcast support – download podcasts via the Marketplace
    ■ Turn-by-turn navigation in Bing Maps - voice guided directions and turn-by-turn
    ■ SMS dictation – Microsoft tellme dictates messages - wpcentral article - Video
    ■ East Asian Language keyboard support – additional language support
    ■ Handwriting and dictionary support – support for writing Chinese characters
    Pin Outlook Folders – Pin folders as favorites inside Outlook
    SkyDrive integration – Access SkyDrive documents from Office Hub
    Kinect support for games - interact with Kinect and Xbox games from Windows Phone
    Outlook email server search – search Exchange servers from Outlook client
    ■ Complex (alpha-numeric) password support – strong number and character password support
    ■ Information Rights Management – support for protecting e-mails and Office documents
    ■ Ringtone support – third party ringtone support
    ■ App list – automatically detect list, implemented jump list and search for apps
    ■ Marketplace search improvements – apps, podcasts, music separated for easy search
    ■ App install improvements – progress bar install UI
    ■ Search extras – User search actions can be connected to third-party apps
    ■ Motion Sensor – apps to use new gyroscope hardware
    Background audio – apps can run audio in the background
    ■ File download service – third-party apps can download files from the web
    ■ Alarms – alarm notifications for third-party apps
    ■ Pin app features – Users can pin live tiles of deep app features in third-party apps
    Zune Smart DJ mix – allows users to discover new music and save/create playlists

    21-05-2011
    ■ Camera sound toggle – users can now disable the camera shutter sound.
    ■ Update Live Tile system - VIDEO
    ■ Access to over 1500 APIs
    ■ Support for Qualcomm MSM7X30 and MSM8X55 SoCs
    ■ Added 16 Languages
    ■ Increased country support for app submission and download
    ■ Performance increases - VIDEO - VIDEO
    ■ Battery life enhancements - WMPowerusers
    ■ Support for access to hidden corporate Wi-Fi networks
    ■ Unified inbox. You will now have multiple accounts in just one Hub
    ■ Games Hub gets a facelift, including 'sync' option (potentially for online-game play)
    ■ Native Checkins are coming e.g. Facebook Places
    ■ Post-NoDo 16 Bit Issue On HTC Devices Will Be Fixed With Mango. More Info.
    ■ Microsoft On Copy & Paste, Including Changes Coming With Mango. More Info.
    ■ Apps Search Button on Start Menu . VIDEO
    ■ Improved Bluetooth support coming to Windows Phone 7.5 too - Source WMPoweruser

    24-05-2011 - Windows Phone Newsroom: Webcast
    ■ Windows Phone Mango Internet features - VIDEO
    ■ Windows Phone Mango App Features - VIDEO
    ■ Windows Phone Mango communications features - VIDEO
    ■ App Connect. See apps in search results and hubs such as Music + Videos and Pictures. App Connect works with Marketplace, so results include both apps already on your phone and new apps to download.
    ■ Local Scout: The provision of local results and recommendations for restaurants nearby, shops and proposals for activities, in a user-friendly guide. wpcentral article
    ■ Quick Cards (Quick Cards):When searching for a product, a movie, an event or a place we have available a summary and relevant applications.
    ■ Photo Tagging: A new facial detection software that makes easy tagging your photos or posting them on the internet.

    26-05-2011
    ■ Windows Phone Mango Brings New Emoticons To Text Messages - Source pocketnow.com
    ■ Mango Bringing Windows Phone Marketplace To The Web - Source pocketnow.com

    03-06-2011
    ■ Better playback controls
    ■ Podcasts now included
    ■ Better artist images
    ■ More playback info
    ■ More playback options
    ■ New playlist option
    ■ Better data management
    ■ More video options
    ■ Group Calendar Event Invitation
    ■ Messaging Hub – Location Context
    ■ Web Marketplace coming alongside Mango - Windows Phone Hacker
    ■ Mango, interacting with your Xbox Live avatar - Cool VIDEO
    ■ Mango saves your camera's flash settings - wpcentral
    ■ "Me tile", Facebook Check In, Set IM Status VIDEO
    ■ Exchange tasks shown in calendar - VIDEO
    ■ XBox Avatar dancing to the music being played - AWESOME FUNNY VIDEO

    More to come...
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    I hope the to-do list also supports Google tasks as well (I don't speak German, so I have no idea if it is mentioned in the video ;)).
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    Can't wait until late summer when this is released to the public!
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    But can I save my camera settings?

    They haven't released any info on that yet. Maybe on the 24th they will say something.
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    I wouldn't be so sure MS is not changing things according to market and response. Actually if it would be the fact and WP7 would be so good from the beginning as many users stated here, they wouldn't bother adding things like c&p or multitasking most "normal" users don't even know about.
    Topic is about how boring other OSes are compared to WP7 with Mango on the horizon. So it's not only discussion about upcoming features but also about subjective feeling. And yes I think with current concept MS is wrong in many ways. Only time will tell if they are really right. The fact is they had to push Nokia marriage to boost things up, all other - big - manufacturers apparently couldn't make it really.
    I'm here because I still observe WP7 development and situation beeing also MS user (both phones and PC) and loved their solutions. I still have my WP7 phone to test it and see how it manages tasks. Windows 7 is a great OS. And these things are related just because MS wants to translate some WP7 ideas to future tablet OS. So in fact beeing MS products user I will be "affected" by some things in the future anyway even I will continue using Android as main mobile OS. As I don't plan to buy Mac neither use Google's Chrome OS.

    Adding C&P or multitasking are features that go with their design decisions.
    File Explorer will never come, task manager will come for 3rd party apps (but never will allow you to view system tasks running), ms only offers cloud and with mango it will not change. Hell they even lock the system even more down due the sideloading interop restriction (bye bye for all homebrew filexplorers available right now) They will try to establish a closed system like the 360.

    Android works well with Windows. But boring is meant in case of usability. Featurewise there is no boring. Maybe they heading the wrong direction, maybe not. But thats speculating not discussing.

    As for the tablet os. We dont know anything about the way ms wants to go with tablets. so speculating again. the new ui design of windows 8 is similar to wp7 but the apps are written totally different. we dont know if tablets offer a full windows 8 desktopn underneath the touch ui.

    If i look back at their console debut there was a similar situation.
    2 big competitors and ms started from scratch. First try was a desaster and lead to a new try. Same concept but more refined. I see similaritys to the wp7 situation. first version has been a desaster (sales and review wise), second version mango (got better reviews, sales we dont know). ms is a long term company with the money to handle desasters.