Stock Honeycomb at launch with optional TouchWiz update?

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Check it out in this video at 3:25-3:45 (sorry if this has been posted already..)

www (dot) youtube (dot) com (slash) watch?v=EVostB97nTY

(apparently I can't post links because I'm a new user.)

I really hope this is true, I might seriously consider buying the 8.9 or 10.1. Samsung, please don't screw this up!

This kinda mirrors what we've been hearing from other news outlets. There's a lot of talk about it being optional and a later upgrade. I don't think many people are going to want to upgrade to TouchWiz after dealing with stock 3.0 though lol.

Really tough though, there's no lack of misinformation around there. Samsung themselves wouldn't even give any idea of which tablets in which markets would even get TouchWiz4.0, let alone launch with it installed.

From the videos I have seen, I would upgrade to touchwiz if they fix the lag.

I've never understood the unconditional love for stock Android. Other than the fact that updates should come quicker, it is completely stale and barely appealing. Honeycomb in this case is fine, but I'm sure manufactures could only do more to improve it. I mean, Samsung added re-sizing widgets, its amazing that Google hadn't thought to add such a feature that should seem obvious at this point.

It appears Android can ever become truly polished without outside help.

Originally Posted by Eclair~

I've never understood the unconditional love for stock Android. Other than the fact that updates should come quicker, it is completely stale and barely appealing. Honeycomb in this case is fine, but I'm sure manufactures could only do more to improve it. I mean, Samsung added re-sizing widgets, its amazing that Google hadn't thought to add such a feature that should seem obvious at this point.

It appears Android can ever become truly polished without outside help.

Its not that we love stock Android (well, some of us do), its that we hate what these skins do to the experience. They're often slow, and not necessarily without bugs. They also delay (or eliminate) later updates, which Honeycomb as we all know is going to need them.

I'm completely fine with custom UI's from manufacturers, but the biggest thing 99% of people have with them is they can't be removed! Let me have a checkbox in settings to remove it and I'll take whatever you have to give me at the point of sale of the device. I think Google is realizing that these UI's on 2.1 and 2.2 are a bit out of control, and they're trying to shut it down in 3.0 because honestly I think they've thought a lot about the UI in Honeycomb and how it relates to these tablets.

If Google completely disallows the application of custom UI's (or UX as Samsung wants to call them), then manufacturers will have to differentiate with hardware and if they want to add software it is gonna have to come in the form of bundled Apps and Widgets. That's 100% okay with me. Apps and Widgets really can add to the experience, without taking anything away from stock.

What recent... major Android device has been released with a sluggish UI? I'm honestly curious.

Originally Posted by Eclair~

What recent... major Android device has been released with a sluggish UI? I'm honestly curious.

Every phone with Sense and TouchWiz I've ever used is slower and less CPU/RAM efficient than stock 2.2/2.3. You really don't notice the difference in day-to-day use until you experience stock. I never said "sluggish" but they are most definitely slower than stock. Any time you're adding additional UI elements the speed is probably gonna be the first to decrease.

Don't get me wrong, I love some of the work that manufacturers have done (mainly HTC) but their skins are very unnecessary at many points and I understand their strive to differentiate but its getting a bit ridiculous (I'm looking at you, Motorola Blur) that the skins often impede and are worse experiences than stock.

Originally Posted by martonikaj

Every phone with Sense and TouchWiz I've ever used is slower and less CPU/RAM efficient than stock 2.2/2.3. You really don't notice the difference in day-to-day use until you experience stock. I never said "sluggish" but they are most definitely slower than stock. Any time you're adding additional UI elements the speed is probably gonna be the first to decrease.

I've experienced stock, I own a Nexus One. However, I haven't spent an extended period of time with a non-Vanilla version of Android other than custom ROMS... so I assume this could be true.

Considering that I barely hear anyone mention how "slow" these skins are, I assumed it was an issue that was resolved with these newer phones.

Originally Posted by Eclair~

I've experienced stock, I own a Nexus One. However, I haven't spent an extended period of time with a non-Vanilla version of Android other than custom ROMS... so I assume this could be true.

Considering that I barely hear anyone mention how "slow" these skins are, I assumed it was an issue that was resolved with these newer phones.

Its definitely less of an issue now with every phone being at a 1ghz clock or higher, and many coming out with dual core. But when it comes down to it its still extra weight over stock . You definitely hear more people complain about the lack of functionality more than the speed.

I have rooted many phones and after installing stock android (getting rid of UI's) I have noticed a noticeable speed increase in day to day activities.

I think the choice of Stock or Custom is something that has been a bit of a "duh" thing from the beginning. Im still a bit shocked that Android didn't force manufactured to make skins optional, but I'm glad to see Samsung doing this since they are one of the primary foulers on this update vs custom ui issue.