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14th May 2012, 03:42 PM   |  #91  
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the yellow screen is a lot better

the white does not have an pure 310dpi, the yellow is more sharp in pixel

why? because the Acer white one uses a less dense pixel grid

also better blacks/contrast

dont mean to ruin your party

I know you said that based on your experience, but I am jealous of my friend's HOX which has the white one. The sharpness is really pretty much identical, but his black level and contrast is better than mine. Unless its like the variances in the HOXs themselves...and Acer has more than one variant of screen which would still come under the same vendor label.
14th May 2012, 03:51 PM   |  #92  
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I know you said that based on your experience, but I am jealous of my friend's HOX which has the white one. The sharpness is really pretty much identical, but his black level and contrast is better than mine. Unless its like the variances in the HOXs themselves...and Acer has more than one variant of screen which would still come under the same vendor label.

ok never-mind the contrast it can vary due to many reasons including the purity of the glue

but to help you stop being jealous

check the icons really close any icon with solid color you will see a sort of scan-lines pixel grid inside the solid color area, display tester go to color test and check the banding, the acer one has some banding at the top

just look into any solid area up-close and you will see the grid, if you have glasses and take them off its much more clear

the same sort of pseudo perceived density that pentile amoled screens causes, from distance or with if you have your glasses on the grid disappears due to being too small and hence you preceive it as the same sharpness

in comparison iphone 4 screen and the sharp screen on the One X has no pixel grid whats so ever, the solid areas are perfectly clean
14th May 2012, 04:12 PM   |  #93  
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ok never-mind the contrast it can vary due to many reasons including the purity of the glue

but to help you stop being jealous

check the icons really close any icon with solid color you will see a sort of scan-lines pixel grid inside the solid color area, display tester go to color test and check the banding, the acer one has some banding at the top

just look into any solid area up-close and you will see the grid, if you have glasses and take them off its much more clear

the same sort of pseudo perceived density that pentile amoled screens causes, from distance or with if you have your glasses on the grid disappears due to being too small and hence you preceive it as the same sharpness

in comparison iphone 4 screen and the sharp screen on the One X has no pixel grid whats so ever, the solid areas are perfectly clean


I had looked for that when I saw it previously but even if I stuck the phone near my nose I couldn't see it as you had suggested. No banding visible using those display testers either. His also goes a LOT brighter on max than mine which I guess would help in sunlight. I do have good eyesight, but I just cannot see the grid issue. I could see it easily on phones like the Morotola Atrix. Saturation on his is a bit high though. When you go the app drawer, the green icon at the bottom is literally luminous on his.
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14th May 2012, 04:20 PM   |  #94  
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I had looked for that when I saw it previously but even if I stuck the phone near my nose I couldn't see it as you had suggested. No banding visible using those display testers either. His also goes a LOT brighter on max than mine which I guess would help in sunlight. I do have good eyesight, but I just cannot see the grid issue. I could see it easily on phones like the Morotola Atrix. Saturation on his is a bit high though. When you go the app drawer, the green icon at the bottom is literally luminous on his.

the acer screen is a lot brighter and the white is insane, its almost boring how everything is balanced well lol

the grid is there but its no where near as bad as the pentile of course, at angles you can see the grid easier

anyway its just nit picking, im only saying there are advantages to the yellow screen the deep black and this grid thing, gives it a little amoled feel to its sharpness and a cleaner overall

the acer screen is less saturated than the sharp tho? maybe ur friend has a third vendor?
14th May 2012, 04:35 PM   |  #95  
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the acer screen is a lot brighter and the white is insane, its almost boring how everything is balanced well lol

the grid is there but its no where near as bad as the pentile of course, at angles you can see the grid easier

anyway its just nit picking, im only saying there are advantages to the yellow screen the deep black and this grid thing, gives it a little amoled feel to its sharpness and a cleaner overall

the acer screen is less saturated than the sharp tho? maybe ur friend has a third vendor?

His blacks are deeper, but as you pointed out, there is huge variance between screens anyway. As for the saturation, I find it hard to understand how it varies. We know for sure its the Acer one, because we pulled out the panel_id from the logs. My suspicion is not a third vendor, but that Acer have more than one panel they are providing to HTC....naughty, but possible. At angles the screen does "fizzle" a bit more than the Sharp one...perhaps thats what you mean by visible grid. Head-on though, I cannot see it at all. Also, interestingly things like icons seem nearer to the surface on his...almost like someone printed a sticker and stuck it to the underside of the glass. I don't think the Acer one is inferior from the one I saw...just different....and certainly not just more white..but more uniform as well.
14th May 2012, 05:09 PM   |  #96  
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His blacks are deeper, but as you pointed out, there is huge variance between screens anyway. As for the saturation, I find it hard to understand how it varies. We know for sure its the Acer one, because we pulled out the panel_id from the logs. My suspicion is not a third vendor, but that Acer have more than one panel they are providing to HTC....naughty, but possible. At angles the screen does "fizzle" a bit more than the Sharp one...perhaps thats what you mean by visible grid. Head-on though, I cannot see it at all. Also, interestingly things like icons seem nearer to the surface on his...almost like someone printed a sticker and stuck it to the underside of the glass. I don't think the Acer one is inferior from the one I saw...just different....and certainly not just more white..but more uniform as well.

yup thats exactly what i am talking about the fizzile is no where near as bad as pentile but its there since i use glasses without my glasses i can see it more, head on with my glasses it disappears

i think we have one Acer and than the lamination gets in, me n my cousin have the same exact screen but colors r bit different on his also his has cleaner glue when viewed at an angle and so his view angles are cleaner, he also has the backlight spots at the bottom which i heard they r in there to assist view angles (i dont have those on the bottom but i have them on top and left/right)

the cleaner glue and view angles plus his white phone gives the illusion that its floating/closer to the surface but i checked n i checked its not really, its just that his screen is popping out more in your eye

uniformity has to do with lamination and not the panel vendor

lol HTC will drive us crazy with these variations

im so curious about the sharp screen now, sadly i don't have anyone around to compare, i only experienced it with my first HOX and i keep remembering it was a lot sharper
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15th May 2012, 06:56 AM   |  #97  
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well my replacement one x turned out to be a bummer.
here what the issues with it are:
1. two deal pixels
2. two bright pixels
3. two patches on the screen (visible on black, grey backgrounds)
4. gap between screen and metal rim
5. Horrible screen ripple and flex

Its HT24 batch. I am taking this one to the service center and will claim a replacement.
15th May 2012, 07:11 AM   |  #98  
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How do we know its Acer or Sharp panel?
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yup thats exactly what i am talking about the fizzile is no where near as bad as pentile but its there since i use glasses without my glasses i can see it more, head on with my glasses it disappears

i think we have one Acer and than the lamination gets in, me n my cousin have the same exact screen but colors r bit different on his also his has cleaner glue when viewed at an angle and so his view angles are cleaner, he also has the backlight spots at the bottom which i heard they r in there to assist view angles (i dont have those on the bottom but i have them on top and left/right)

the cleaner glue and view angles plus his white phone gives the illusion that its floating/closer to the surface but i checked n i checked its not really, its just that his screen is popping out more in your eye

uniformity has to do with lamination and not the panel vendor

lol HTC will drive us crazy with these variations

im so curious about the sharp screen now, sadly i don't have anyone around to compare, i only experienced it with my first HOX and i keep remembering it was a lot sharper

hamdir,

How do we know what panel the HOX is using when we buy the device in-store? Is there a code on the box?

Thanks.
15th May 2012, 07:13 AM   |  #99  
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My HT23YW has been rock solid. Though it looks like it could have been of the last 23 bunch with the late alphas.

EDIT: Just wanted to update; after the 1.29.401.11 RUU update I'm starting to see a yellowing above the home button that appears when the device gets significantly hot. Contacted Expansys via email and asked if this is falls under replacement/RMA.
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15th May 2012, 09:26 AM   |  #100  
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Mine is SH24LW

No problem at all.

Good machine...

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