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I feel at this point telling people there's too much risk in flashing the leak is similar to Motorola or the phone companies keeping our boot-loader locked down to protect us from damaging our phones. None of us want to be told we cant or shouldn't do something
You misunderstood me, I believe. I wasn't 'telling him what to do', or anyone else for that matter regarding flashing the leak. It was simply an innocuous question. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but seems you're getting defensive for no reason. I agree, if someone wants to flash the leak, its on them. But the files were pulled for a very good reason, and I was just curious...

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Will you please elaborate on the bolded text? If I don't have to jump through a bunch of hoops to go back to 2.3.6 I'd rather not.
It was just something the guy that was a big part in porting the Razr recovery over said. He said if the atrix 2 is similar to the Razr, which it is in many ways. That we will be able to update from the leak to the official. Not setting this in stone, because I have no way of knowing, but at least appears to be a likely possibly.

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You misunderstood me, I believe. I wasn't 'telling him what to do', or anyone else for that matter regarding flashing the leak. It was simply an innocuous question. Maybe I'm reading you wrong, but seems you're getting defensive for no reason. I agree, if someone wants to flash the leak, its on them. But the files were pulled for a very good reason, and I was just curious...

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No not defensive, just saying from my own point of view I enjoy the ICS leak, and If I was in anyone else's position I would like to flash it just as I did, Even with all the risks involved. I was more or less answering the question directed to him based on my own experience and reasons. In my mind I ask the question why would anyone not flash the leak? Its great. The last part wasn't directed at you, just a general point of view because I have noticed others basically say you cant have the DL because its too risky. I know you didn't tell him he cant, but it came off to me as a negative connotation if anyone had a desire to flash due to the risks And I just have a different view. My apologies if you were genuinely curious. Finding the files isn't hard though, they might have been pulled here but 30 seconds on google and you can find them pretty easily.
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It's interesting that when i went into AT&T dcs to exchange my doa a2, i was talking the girl helping me about the pending ics upgrade (since i had bricked on the leak) she told me she didn't think we were going to get ics due to bugs being reported but since the soak is happening soon that pretty much kills her theory.

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It's interesting that when i went into AT&T dcs to exchange my doa a2, i was talking the girl helping me about the pending ics upgrade (since i had bricked on the leak) she told me she didn't think we were going to get ics due to bugs being reported but since the soak is happening soon that pretty much kills her theory.

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You can't go by what att people tell you. They do not know anything about new firmware until the day it comes out. Ive been told that by a relative that works for att.

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It was just something the guy that was a big part in porting the Razr recovery over said. He said if the atrix 2 is similar to the Razr, which it is in many ways. That we will be able to update from the leak to the official. Not setting this in stone, because I have no way of knowing, but at least appears to be a likely possibly.





No not defensive, just saying from my own point of view I enjoy the ICS leak, and If I was in anyone else's position I would like to flash it just as I did, Even with all the risks involved. I was more or less answering the question directed to him based on my own experience and reasons. In my mind I ask the question why would anyone not flash the leak? Its great. The last part wasn't directed at you, just a general point of view because I have noticed others basically say you cant have the DL because its too risky. I know you didn't tell him he cant, but it came off to me as a negative connotation if anyone had a desire to flash due to the risks And I just have a different view. My apologies if you were genuinely curious. Finding the files isn't hard though, they might have been pulled here but 30 seconds on google and you can find them pretty easily.
It is me who is not giving the leak out. Take a look at it like this. This was a leak we should have never gotten in first place. We did get it and release it to everyone, and WAY too many people had issues.

I am not, giving the ability to download this out, to protect everyone, but to keep myself and the other devs in here sane, and able to keep working on this stuff. The truth is there are people in here that should NOT run experimental leaks due to their abilities, and all that does is distract our devs.

Again if liefmagnuson and the rest of your dev community had not shared it at all, this conversation would have never happened.

I am not being like Moto here and trying to keep us locked down (in fact I think I am the one person since day one that has been trying to unlock the BL). I am just trying to keep us all sane and moving forward. For a week were not even sure we could bring people back to 2.3.6 so they could get the REAL OTA. We now have that ability. I have a script for both windows and Linux/Mac that I will release to everyone tomorrow. This is the key to getting the REAL OTA, and trust me everyone wants that.

Moto is now in the SOAK test phase of the ICS release. When we saw this with 2.3.6 it was something like 14 days from the start of the soak that the real OTA came out. Those that don't have the leak, or even those that do have the leak, just sit tight. Instructions are on the way on how to go back to GB so you can get the real OTA.
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Well there are many of us that are very grateful the leak was released, even a few that have a some bugs are happy with it. Those that are not happy now have a way back, and I'm confident with all the smart minds working on this, the development will continue to move forward. After having ICS on 2 of my tablets when 99% were still on GB and now the leaked version on the atrix 2 I can completely see why people are impatient, but as I posted else ware I can also see why the devs don't want to be replying to a bunch of help threads when it's all heading in a slightly different direction with the soak test and official release around the corner. I can see both sides, probably because I'm in the middle zone. I'm not a developer, but still smart enough to get myself out of most problems on my own. I suppose releasing the files is unnecessary because anyone smart enough to successfully get on the leak is also smart enough to find the files themselves.
 
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Well there are many of us that are very grateful the leak was released, even a few that have a some bugs are happy with it. Those that are not happy now have a way back, and I'm confident with all the smart minds working on this, the development will continue to move forward. After having ICS on 2 of my tablets when 99% were still on GB and now the leaked version on the atrix 2 I can completely see why people are impatient, but as I posted else ware I can also see why the devs don't want to be replying to a bunch of help threads when it's all heading in a slightly different direction with the soak test and official release around the corner. I can see both sides, probably because I'm in the middle zone. I'm not a developer, but still smart enough to get myself out of most problems on my own. I suppose releasing the files is unnecessary because anyone smart enough to successfully get on the leak is also smart enough to find the files themselves.
Exactly, and that is the rationale I/we (devs) have been thinking. We are so close to the OTA, but we still have a long way to go, because those on the leak will need help from us to get the OTA to work right, since it will try to patch the BL to A0.72 from A0.65, and it will most likely fail, and not continue past that check. So once we have the SOAK in hand we can start to work on that fix for everyone.
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