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Who actually likes their nexus 10

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2nd January 2013, 09:51 PM   |  #21  
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I like mine and have had reboots and freezes sometimes. I'm hoping a software update will make it better.

I've asked around and the other alternatives hang as well. My wifi is a lot better than my wife's ipad, and most of the other issues have been mentioned for other brands/models of tablets.

I do have light bleed, but not to the extent that it bothers me. I agree that the software could be better, but I guess Google and Samsung don't believe in testing or at least good testing. For sure, Apple doesn't. I guess it doesn't matter because we buy them any way.
2nd January 2013, 10:30 PM   |  #22  
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I have to admit I"m only on day 2 of ownership so that may skew some things, but I absolutely adore mine. Its fast, the screen is amazing, and the build quality is quite good. Its easily the best tablet I've ever owned in every single category except battery life, and even there its not bad at all.

Do I have light bleed? Yes. However, I've gone through absolute hell with warranty repairs trying to get my previous HP Touchpad's light bleed fixed which eventually resulted in them cracking the screen and my successfully suing them in small claims court (For the crack which they claimed was my fault and warranty voiding, not the light bleed). Following that, I went through four Transformer Infinities, of which three had light bleed. Its just a defect common in IPS/PLS displays, through the three tablets I've owned (all of different manufactures) I've learned its completely unrealistic to expect a perfect one. If its not an absolutely horrible amount, live with it. If you cant, get an iPad or realize that tablet computers are NOT for you.

Do I have the creaking back plastic? Yes. Every tablet made of plastic is going to have some problems. The speakers on the touchpad are notorious for cracking spontaneously. The Note 10.1 is so thin you can actually see it flex. With devices this big made of plastic, its unrealistic to not expect some sort of cheap feel. The Nexus 10 has it pretty good compared to some of the other tablets, so live with it if you can. If you cant, get a metal tablet or realize that tablet computers are NOT for you.

Do I have the thermal throttling? I dont know yet. But realize you're running a 1.7Ghz processor in something slightly thicker than a ball point pen. Look in ANY desktop or laptop computer of equivalent speed (yes, I know x86 and ARM are not directly comparable, but go with it for this) and you'll find a massive heatsink and fan. The Nexus 10 does not have a fan because nobody would buy a tablet with such, and the heatsink is quite thin to keep the dimensions down. You still have one of the fastest tablets on the market. Think of the 1.7Ghz not as a top sustainable speed, but like the "Turboboost" mode on modern Intel i3/5/7 CPUs where it'll ramp up to that speed to complete a task as quickly as possible and then dial back to something more easily sustainable. I'll admit that Google should add something to Android where if it knows a game is running it limits its top speed to prevent this very throttling, but that's on Android and not the device itself. Throttle the CPU back yourself, live with it, or realize that tablet computers are NOT for you.

TL;DR: This is a good tablet computer. Like all tablet computers, or like anything really, you shouldn't have unrealistic expectations.

Perfectly said! I was going to reply with my reasoning but Jotokun here summed it up perfectly.
2nd January 2013, 10:53 PM   |  #23  
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Do I have the thermal throttling? I dont know yet. But realize you're running a 1.7Ghz processor in something slightly thicker than a ball point pen. Look in ANY desktop or laptop computer of equivalent speed (yes, I know x86 and ARM are not directly comparable, but go with it for this) and you'll find a massive heatsink and fan. The Nexus 10 does not have a fan because nobody would buy a tablet with such, and the heatsink is quite thin to keep the dimensions down. You still have one of the fastest tablets on the market. Think of the 1.7Ghz not as a top sustainable speed, but like the "Turboboost" mode on modern Intel i3/5/7 CPUs where it'll ramp up to that speed to complete a task as quickly as possible and then dial back to something more easily sustainable. I'll admit that Google should add something to Android where if it knows a game is running it limits its top speed to prevent this very throttling, but that's on Android and not the device itself. Throttle the CPU back yourself, live with it, or realize that tablet computers are NOT for you.

There's slightly weaker processors on other tablets that don't throttle under "general" (I would consider any kind of gaming general) use. I'm somewhat certain my Nexus 7 didn't even have an issue of throttling (none that was noticeable anyway). Does the iPad 4 throttle? (not that this would be easy to find out regardless)

What's the point in having a 1.7GHz processor, if you can't use 1.7GHz for extended periods of time? 1GHz is what the device ramps up to on touch (interactive gov) and a game I tried worked fine at 1GHz (well, it was smooth anyway; really wish game developers would put FPS counters in games...).

It would be almost like me advertising a CPU for having 5GHz, but the part I left out is you can only use the 5GHz frequency for 1 minute, and after that minute, your clock frequency will drop. Would you buy a processor without question that mentions that? I guess a non-technical person might look at that and see the high frequency and buy it regardless, but a stable, non-changing frequency is better for performance.

I do realize that there is no heatsink on the chip itself, but I would think throttling to only occur under extreme conditions (sitting in the desert somewhere with a heater pointed at the N10 back and trying to run a game at 1.7GHz) or when overclocking. In other words, it should be something a normal user shouldn't ever experience.

My graphics card is advertised to have a speed of 950MHz on the core clock. It keeps a 950MHz on the core clock through general use and gaming. Therefore, it is meeting expectation. Taking off the heatsink on my GPU would cause temperatures to reach critical levels, and cause the clock speed to drop to 450MHz. This is an extreme situation, and is in no way something that a normal user should consider doing.

TLDR: Your not getting the 1.7GHz of performance Google is advertising for an actual "useful" period of time, and if you buy the Nexus 10 and expect to, your going to be disappointed (for now anyway).

Edit: It should also be noted that there is no temperature sensor for the processor. A user reportedly did tests by having the CPU at a cold temperature, and throttling still occurred. Temperatures are generated based on an algorithm, that is based on voltage, frequency, load, and time (I think). In other words, if you put a giant heatsink on the processor and/or pour liquid nitrogen all over it, you'll still throttle.

Don't get me wrong though, I do like my Nexus 10 tablet Just knowing it won't reach "full" potential (currently) is a bit frustrating...
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3rd January 2013, 12:58 AM   |  #24  
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TLDR: Your not getting the 1.7GHz of performance Google is advertising for an actual "useful" period of time, and if you buy the Nexus 10 and expect to, your going to be disappointed (for now anyway).

Is there any conclusive evidence that this is the case in every Nexus 10 out there and not just in people running a custom kernel?

For the record, I can play NFS:MW for hours without a single frame drop, stock.
3rd January 2013, 01:03 AM   |  #25  
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Is there any conclusive evidence that this is the case in every Nexus 10 out there and not just in people running a custom kernel?

For the record, I can play NFS:MW for hours without a single frame drop, stock.

Oh really?? Hmm am I going to have to try stock...
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Is there any conclusive evidence that this is the case in every Nexus 10 out there and not just in people running a custom kernel?

For the record, I can play NFS:MW for hours without a single frame drop, stock.

Running StabilityTest (ROOT optional) for a while (CPU + GPU Test) should show current CPU frequency, and then after a while, show the frequency drop in increments of 100MHz.

There "is" a way to show if the CPU is throttling or not from logcat I believe, I haven't actually noticed though.

On stock (for me anyway, and a few others have also reported this) NFS:MW will play fine, and then framerate will drop, and then go back to normal. I have no idea how to really "prove" FPS values though, other then using a 60FPS camcorder to record a race on your N10, and then judge by eye manually.
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3rd January 2013, 01:21 AM   |  #27  
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Running StabilityTest (ROOT optional) for a while (CPU + GPU Test) should show current CPU frequency, and then after a while, show the frequency drop in increments of 100MHz.

There "is" a way to show if the CPU is throttling or not from logcat I believe, I haven't actually noticed though.

On stock (for me anyway, and a few others have also reported this) NFS:MW will play fine, and then framerate will drop, and then go back to normal. I have no idea how to really "prove" FPS values though, other then using a 60FPS camcorder to record a race on your N10, and then judge by eye manually.

This is the case for me right now and I don't think an FPS camcorder is necessary... it's pretty apparent just by looking at the screen that there is a definite drop in framerate.
3rd January 2013, 01:34 AM   |  #28  
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I love how easy it is to hold one-handed
3rd January 2013, 01:53 AM   |  #29  
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Love my Nexus 10. No light bleed issues, runs beautifully, wonderful screen, great form factor, fast and fluid.

beamed from my Nexus 10, far, far away...
3rd January 2013, 02:44 AM   |  #30  
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[QUOTE=dale_cooper;36185049]I'm on the hunt for a nexus 10 at a local staples - the majority of posts I see in here are people bitching about performance issues and light bleed or other build quality problems. Meanwhile I do see posts about people absolutely in love with the N10 (rightfully so)

The light bleed thread seems like a nightmare - although people who RMA a device 6 times should really get a life and move on to a different product. Is the light bleed really a major issue or should I go ahead and buy one?

Sorry for the junk thread but I didn't see very many threads in here where people are actually giving credit to the N10 and singing praises. hard to guage the "fringe" vs "the average person's experience"[/QUOTE


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