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Q. Where is the fm radio ?

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14th February 2013, 03:18 PM   |  #21  
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And what does that have to do with anything? Not trying to be a jerk, but that is not proof, nor even hard evidence to suggest what you theorized. Nor does it disprove my theory. Unless, somewhere buried in the 1000s of posts is something convincing (and if there is, maybe next time link to that), I have to say that proves nothing.

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15th February 2013, 12:05 AM   |  #22  
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15th February 2013, 02:20 AM   |  #23  
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And what does that have to do with anything? Not trying to be a jerk, but that is not proof, nor even hard evidence to suggest what you theorized. Nor does it disprove my theory. Unless, somewhere buried in the 1000s of posts is something convincing (and if there is, maybe next time link to that), I have to say that proves nothing.

To clear the air here, the FM radio is built into the SoC. Our hardware is identical to the international model in that respect. The FM radio is either grounded out or disconnected on most US models of smartphones. Considering the very minor cost in enabling the SoC for FM tuning (generally <2 per unit), the logical conclusion is that the carriers are holding the US FM market ransom for monetization. This opinion is further confirmed based on Sprint Wireless' decision to begin including an FM radio app in the future with their smartphones. The plan from them is to monetize the service by adding features within the app to allow users to purchase songs that they're listening to. The previously linked post to mikereidis' thread is a great one with a good bit of information on the subject.

Granted that the monetization claims are all speculative and slightly bias at present, the evidence to support the claim is growing. For further examples of the US carriers squeezing more money out of US subscribers than anywhere else, one only needs look at the rest of the world's cellular carriers for example.

As for my claim of the FM radio being built into the SoC, but not connected, please refer to the Exynos 4 (4112) documentation. More simply, without going through the trouble of looking it up, just notice that the international model uses the same SoC as our model, and it has FM radio support.
15th February 2013, 06:50 AM   |  #24  
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To clear the air here, the FM radio is built into the SoC. Our hardware is identical to the international model in that respect. The FM radio is either grounded out or disconnected on most US models of smartphones. Considering the very minor cost in enabling the SoC for FM tuning (generally <2 per unit), the logical conclusion is that the carriers are holding the US FM market ransom for monetization. This opinion is further confirmed based on Sprint Wireless' decision to begin including an FM radio app in the future with their smartphones. The plan from them is to monetize the service by adding features within the app to allow users to purchase songs that they're listening to. The previously linked post to mikereidis' thread is a great one with a good bit of information on the subject.

Granted that the monetization claims are all speculative and slightly bias at present, the evidence to support the claim is growing. For further examples of the US carriers squeezing more money out of US subscribers than anywhere else, one only needs look at the rest of the world's cellular carriers for example.

As for my claim of the FM radio being built into the SoC, but not connected, please refer to the Exynos 4 (4112) documentation. More simply, without going through the trouble of looking it up, just notice that the international model uses the same SoC as our model, and it has FM radio support.

Thank you for providing some key details. I am used to older phones where the fm was separate from the SOC. And, was not aware of the integration. The conclusions are logical, though the evidence is lacking. It would be nice to know if this is similar to the lte support on our model, or if it is physically disabled.
15th February 2013, 03:21 PM   |  #25  
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Thank you for providing some key details. I am used to older phones where the fm was separate from the SOC. And, was not aware of the integration. The conclusions are logical, though the evidence is lacking. It would be nice to know if this is similar to the lte support on our model, or if it is physically disabled.

LTE is on a separate chip. Exynos 4 does not have support for LTE, so it isn't included in some models, like the international version.
16th February 2013, 02:10 AM   |  #26  
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Re: Q. Where is the fm radio ?
I have talked with samsung about this issue. They said that our phones have the hardware but not the software/firmware to utilize it. Also originally tmobile advertised the fm radio on their website. But according to samsung it's carrier disabled

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17th February 2013, 06:43 AM   |  #27  
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Re: Q. Where is the fm radio ?
Well then lets find the trigger and activate this b*tch

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18th February 2013, 09:39 PM   |  #28  
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That's something I'm working on. I'll post if I make progress.

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20th February 2013, 04:25 AM   |  #29  
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Re: Q. Where is the fm radio ?
Sounds good to me

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20th February 2013, 05:06 AM   |  #30  
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I don't want to be the party pooper here, but I just want to make sure you guys understand that the problem is hardware related, not software related.

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