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This question has been answered, but I thought I'd provide a little more detail to their answers:

On android, the memory is divided into several partitions (you might think of it like different disk drives), including a /boot, /system, and /data partition. The /boot partition is where the kernel (the heart of the android o/s) resides; the /system (where the bulk of the android o/s resides); the /data is where your apps and personal data reside. The /boot and /system partitions require system administrator level rights in order to change the information stored there (the system administrator account on android/linux is known as "root" or "superuser").

The update that came from VZW changed elements in the /system and /boot directories, using a superuser key to grant the update permission to change the files on those partitions.

Unfortunately, a factory reset only essentially re-formats the /data partition, wiping out all the user information stored there, but doesn't change the /system or /boot partitions.

The root process essentially hacks the device to gain system administrator rights to the android phone, using exploits in the android o/s. This is essentially a cat and mouse game. The update sent by VZW/HTC patches the exploits that were used to gain root access (that is why it is always dangerous to accept updates from VZW/HTC).

Hopefully the developers on this website will be able to find another exploit/weakness, and provide a way for those who have phones that have the update to obtain root, unlock the bootloader (another partition), and gain s-off (another level of turning a security flag to "off" so that even more partitions can be accessed/changed (ie.the /radio partition).
Excellent post jasoraso - I appreciate this community very much, but posts like these seem few and far between.
 
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Disable and re-enable USB Debugging mode in the developer settings of your phone, also verify that you are running command from the location where you installed SDK. In my guide I explained you need to be in that folder and then right click on a blank space while holding down the shift key, then click on open command window here.

Make sure phone is in fastboot not bootloader by simply clicking on the power button once while in your bootloader (if you haven't scrolled up or down)

If you have followed all of my instructions now and from the guide then I am not sure what is wrong.
Well I just deferred the Update till the 27th again so hopefully I can get this done by then...
 
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Finally!!!!! Now I just need to figure out how to flash the venom rom... Thanks to everyone that has helped so far! Also what happens when my update comes up? I cant just defer it forever...
 
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So I checked it in root checker the first time after I did the TWRP method from DroidModd3rX's Vid and it gave me the pop up that should confirm it was rooted properly but I checked it again just to be sure and its said sorry does not have proper root access... Is this normal?
 
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The best way to do any of this is to find someone who can do this in their sleep and then sit down with that person right next to you and walk you through it step by step. Right in front of your eyes. With you writing down each step as you go.

That is the best way.

The tenth best way to do it is online like this.

I know............hard to find that person in real life when the internet is flooded with them.

I like to have them sitting one foot away from me.

Then it goes easy peasey.

If life were only that simple.
 
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Obviously a small percentage of info doesn't apply to us since this is for the EVO, but these two guides should be must reads for anyone new to Android hackery:

http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-...explained.html

http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-...artitions.html
My is rollin' wit...
 
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The best way to do any of this is to find someone who can do this in their sleep and then sit down with that person right next to you and walk you through it step by step. Right in front of your eyes. With you writing down each step as you go.

That is the best way.

The tenth best way to do it is online like this.

I know............hard to find that person in real life when the internet is flooded with them.

I like to have them sitting one foot away from me.

Then it goes easy peasey.

If life were only that simple.
Im starting to get it figured out just one hell of a learning curve but no worse then audio... I got it rooted now I just need to flash the rom I want and figure out if the update will screw with me
 
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This question has been answered, but I thought I'd provide a little more detail to their answers:

On android, the memory is divided into several partitions (you might think of it like different disk drives), including a /boot, /system, and /data partition. The /boot partition is where the kernel (the heart of the android o/s) resides; the /system (where the bulk of the android o/s resides); the /data is where your apps and personal data reside. The /boot and /system partitions require system administrator level rights in order to change the information stored there (the system administrator account on android/linux is known as "root" or "superuser").

The update that came from VZW changed elements in the /system and /boot directories, using a superuser key to grant the update permission to change the files on those partitions.

Unfortunately, a factory reset only essentially re-formats the /data partition, wiping out all the user information stored there, but doesn't change the /system or /boot partitions.

The root process essentially hacks the device to gain system administrator rights to the android phone, using exploits in the android o/s. This is essentially a cat and mouse game. The update sent by VZW/HTC patches the exploits that were used to gain root access (that is why it is always dangerous to accept updates from VZW/HTC).

Hopefully the developers on this website will be able to find another exploit/weakness, and provide a way for those who have phones that have the update to obtain root, unlock the bootloader (another partition), and gain s-off (another level of turning a security flag to "off" so that even more partitions can be accessed/changed (ie.the /radio partition).
Is there a team of devs, or a lone superstar dev working on this? I've read hints throughout the DNA forum that there is, but have yet to find a thread that actually confirms this. I really appreciate your explanation as I was just thinking of flashing the RUU file as well. Now I know to just wait and be patient. I read something that suggested jcase was working on it but no development thread to confirm this. Thank you for any information you or anybody else may have. Am drooling for ViporDNA!!!!
 
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Is there a team of devs, or a lone superstar dev working on this? I've read hints throughout the DNA forum that there is, but have yet to find a thread that actually confirms this. I really appreciate your explanation as I was just thinking of flashing the RUU file as well. Now I know to just wait and be patient. I read something that suggested jcase was working on it but no development thread to confirm this. Thank you for any information you or anybody else may have. Am drooling for ViporDNA!!!!
I follow jcase on twitter, and a few days ago he was asking for a volunteer who had the update and wasn't unlocked. I haven't seen anything else, so I'm guessing that whatever he was trying didn't pan out.

Regarding your question about a team, or a superstar, I really don't know. I know Jcase came up with the first method to root and unlock the bootloader, and he credited several people that helped him in his post (see his original post in the "original development" forum). Beaups then came up with a simpler method to get root and unlock the bootloader, and he too credited several people (see his original/updated post in the "original development" forum). Then, Beaups and Jcase together found the method to obtain s-off, and I believe they credited others as well (see beaups thread for s-off in the original development forum.

In the threads above, they make reference to the irc chat rooms on andirc. They will often hangout in those chat rooms (more than on these forums, I think) and chat with each other, often helping each other as they tackle projects like rooting or s-off. Note that they do this in their spare time - so sometimes the chat rooms are quiet, sometimes busy, as they come and go while they work their day jobs.

If you venture into THEIR chat room, I would encourage you to be respectful, and patient. You can see that there are several people that just lurk, compared to the regulars that participate, and I don't think they mind if you lurk. I think that is better than going there and asking lots of questions. Especially if they don't know who you are. Even more especially if you ask questions that sound anything like asking for an "ETA". If you monitor the chat room for a little while, you'll start to appreciate the work they do for our community, especially helping people who have particular issues (if those people are respectful), and you also might see the lack of patience they have for those that aren't respectful

Hopefully someone will be able to find another exploit for root so the bootloader can be unlocked on the DNA's that have the 2.04 update, and possibly even help them get s-off too. The fact that s-off was obtained for the DNA was quite an improbility. Up until this point, I believe no HTC phones had gotten s-off if they haven't had a micro-sd card, which means most of the HTC phones for the past year haven't obtained s-off. The fact that the s-off hack is called "face palm" makes me think that someone at HTC made a stupid mistake, that enable s-off to be obtained. I wouldn't count on HTC making that mistake twice.

If you are really impatient for unlocking and s-off, and you have the update, I believe the hardware method is still available, where you send your device to the group that will open your phone up, and physically attach a "j-tag" device that enable them to get s-off. Unfortunately, that will set you back $50 or so. But some people are offering a bounty close to that anyways.

Or, if you just received your phone, perhaps you are still within the window to return it, and get an exchange? Just make sure you don't accept the update on a new phone! I would be turning the phone on and getting s-off before I ever put the sim card in! (I think there is a special process if you leave the sim card out to be able bypass the activation).

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