New ROM & radio also here ...

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Subject: New ROM & radio also here ...
From: Muellmaen
Date: 18 Dec, 2002 10:12:09

At http://www.myxda.com there is
now the Asian ROM 3.14 and radio 4.16 available. But you need an
Asian IMEI Can somebody help out ?

<span class="sm" style="color:#999999">modified: 18 Dec 2002
15:29</span>




Subject: new rom
From: MiNG
Date: 18 Dec, 2002 17:42:24

download at my tempoary ftp server
202.166.108.116

userid: xda
password : xda123





Subject: new rom
From: Muellmaen
Date: 19 Dec, 2002 10:32:31

Hi Ming,

seems that you are also at every corner 8)




Subject: My XDA is fried
From: Confused
Date: 20 Dec, 2002 17:59:00

My XDA stopped flashing in the middle of upgrading the Radio
version 4.16. Now my unit is senseless. I tried to reflash but
it didn't work out.

anybody here knows how to solve this problem? Is it possible to
backup the GSM ROM using the Wallaby bootloader? Any idea if
this can be solved with hyperterminal (parrot) method?




Subject: Fried XDA too...
From: :(
Date: 20 Dec, 2002 21:07:37

The same happened with my XDA... The Radio Stack Upgrade version
4.16 stopped flashing at 10% and afterwards the GSM part of the
XDA didn't work anymore and the XDA itself started to behave
weird (long boot up time, no ActiveSync connection etc.)

OK, maybe I shouldn't have flashed the Asian RSU version over my
German XDA but it did work with the Irish RSU version.

Now, I will need to buy an MMC/SD card reader and try to restore
the Flash ROM with the ROM image tool from this site...

At least I have some free time around Christmas...





Subject: Hate to say this, but ...
From: XDA developers
Date: 20 Dec, 2002 22:13:02

We've never claimed anything about the phone updates yet.

The XDA-developers ROM Image Tool using SD cards, as published
on this site, will only help you flash the Bootloader and the
Windows CE image, both located in the 32 MB of flash attached to
the main (Strong ARM) processor.

The phone image is uploaded through the PDA to another 4MB of
flash attached to the "digital baseband chip", which is a
completely different (ARM7) processor and DSP combination.


We're working on the GSM ROM, but no guarantees as to when work
is done. If you send us mail at webmaster@xda-developers.com,
we'll try to see if we can help you, and we'll post the outcome
here.




Subject: Fried XDA
From: Festan
Date: 20 Dec, 2002 23:10:57

(I'm the guy who flased the Asian RSU over his German XDA)

Thank you for the clarification about the separate flash memory
areas.

I'm actually suspecting that the failed Radio Stack Upgrade did
some harm to the regular flash memory that stores the OS.

Here is what happened so far in more detail:

- RSU stopped flashing at 10% as described previously
- Soft reset (the big hole)
- XDA needs quiet long to come up because it unsuccessfully
tries to start up GSM but it does come up with the Today screen
at last (and GSM turned off)
- XDA behaves weird (no ActiveSync connection, RSU upgrade
cannot be removed) but is still operable, i.e. reacts to user
input
- Hard reset (the small hole) with 60 secs wait time between
punching into the small hole
- Now the XDA behaves even weirder: Long boot up time, white
screen with a blue border at the top, hardly any reaction to
user input, after pressing the volume button a couple of times
the Today screen appears but somewhat mutilated

So my conclusion is that there must be something wrong with the
flash ROM holding the OS because after the hard reset which
erases all RAM the XDA still doesn't work right. I'm guessing
that if the GSM part cannot correctly be turned on (because of
an incomplete radio stack), it should not severeley impact the
rest of the OS.

Just to inform you: I'm also a developer (telecommunication and
networking) with electrical engineering and computer
architecture background so I don't mind reading all the
technical terms :)




Subject: Fried XDA
From: Confused
Date: 21 Dec, 2002 08:38:46

Well, I flashed my 3.12 & 4.06 Asian ROM with the Irish 3.14
plus the Radio version 4.14 without any problems. They are
working perfectly until I got an itch to flash the Radio version
4.16. It stopped exactly at 10% and afterwards it behaves as
described above. What happened is that the Top Bar is
completely unusable. I tried a hard reset and the screen is
completely blank. To get to the Today menu, I need to press the
volume buttons. Then by pressing the Action & Calendar keys I
did the screen alignment stuff. I used the same buttons
pressing combination to activate the StartMenu (it's a pain to
get it though). Once I access the StartMenu, I mapped the file
explorer shortcut to the StartUp so it will be activated
everytime I soft resetted my XDA. Then I copied the CAB files
of both 4.14 & 4.16 version and tried to reflash my XDA. But
none of them worked out :cry:

I would be pleased to try any suggestions to bring my XDA back
from the dead :wink:




Subject: Fried XDA
From: Confused
Date: 21 Dec, 2002 08:41:34

Well, I flashed my 3.12 & 4.06 Asian ROM with the Irish 3.14
plus the Radio version 4.14 without any problems. They are
working perfectly until I got an itch to flash the Radio version
4.16. It stopped exactly at 10% and afterwards it behaves as
described above. What happened is that the Top Bar is
completely unusable. I tried a hard reset and the screen is
completely blank. To get to the Today menu, I need to press the
volume buttons. Then by pressing the Action & Calendar keys I
did the screen alignment stuff. I used the same buttons
pressing combination to activate the StartMenu (it's a pain to
get it though). Once I access the StartMenu, I mapped the file
explorer shortcut to the StartUp so it will be activated
everytime I soft resetted my XDA. Then I copied the CAB files
of both 4.14 & 4.16 version and tried to reflash my XDA. But
none of them worked out :cry:

I would be pleased to try any suggestions to bring my XDA back
from the dead :wink:




Subject: flash crash
From: Muellmaen
Date: 21 Dec, 2002 11:31:41

sounds not to god at all ....

What to the experts think about it ? For me it seems, that the
top bar does not show up, because the XDA does not a status from
the phone. What happens if you try to deactivate the phone by
pressing the off hook button (red phone) for several seconds? I
had a similar problem after (trying) to flash the 4.06, but
after a hard reset and switching off the phone I was able to
flash the phone directly from the device. But, as it is unclear
at which point your flash crashed, it might not help. If nothing
helps, just go to a o2 shop and look as innocent as you can
:wink: :wink:




Subject: Flash process not fail safe
From: Idefix
Date: 21 Dec, 2002 16:53:02

As many of you already found there are strong indications that
the flash process is not fail safe. There is very likely *no*
fixed ROM in the whole XDA. This means when the flash process
goes wrong you're stuck cause the CPU can't boot anymore and the
flash process can not be restarted.

FYI this is different from for example a Nokia phone where it
allways first boots from ROM that is not reflashed. This way it
can almost always be repaired with normal flash equipment even
if the flash ROM is completely ****ed.

One thing on the RSU update: it seems that this always is a
partial flash. For example GSM calibration data is always
retained, but also some of the code is not reflashed. This means
that it most likely is an incremental flash and that could mean
it is not useable over just any other existing flash version.

I suspect that the only way to repair a broken flash on an XDA
is to reflash through JTAG or other means of 'in circuit'
flashing.

Idefix





Subject: Top Bar is OK now
From: Confused
Date: 21 Dec, 2002 18:00:11

I managed to get the top bar to work. What I did was I deleted
all shortcuts associated to the phone like SMSReceiver,
Handsfree, poutlook etc. Now after resetting, the top bar is
working. At least now my XDA is usable as a PDA :wink:




Subject: Fried XDA and XDArit attempts
From: Festan
Date: 21 Dec, 2002 18:39:59

Hi,

I played around with XDArit in order to try to repair my XDA. It
took a while and a few flashing attempts until I found out that
the binary file in the official O2 update distribution does
contain the bootloader. It also contains a kind of a header
(ASCII characters) that indicate the version and language.
XDArit does not strip off the header but takes the file as it is
to generate the SD card data. So at first I ended up flashing
something totally wrong into my XDA and it made it even worse
(only Wallaby came up, nothing else).

After stripping off the header and the bootloader data (256K)
and using this altered file for XDArit, I was able to get back
to the point where I was before (white screen, no top bar).

I will try Confused's tips now and hope that I can somehow get
the correct Radio Stack into the device.





Subject: XDA ROM Image Tool
From: XDA developers
Date: 22 Dec, 2002 15:56:27

The text on the XDA ROM Image Tool page has been rewritten, and
is now much easier to understand.

http://xda-developers.com/
XDArit

On the same page, there is now also a diagnostics card image
that allows patching 5.17 bootloaders to be able to dump and
flash from SD.


Festan: XDArit reads the upgrade .nbf files directly, so you did
not need to go through so much trouble. Just select .nbf as the
input file type.




Subject: Rescue XDA RSUpgrade
From: PL
Date: 23 Dec, 2002 10:40:29

I have tried a few times on upgrade and face the same problem as
all of your faced.

You have to take out the SIM and try again. There will be a
message "Take out AC before start" and later it will pass 10%
and it run OK.




Subject: XDA ROM Image Tool
From: Festan
Date: 23 Dec, 2002 21:30:47

XDA Developers:
Yes, I didn't realize that the type of input file for the flash
can be chosen.

However, my XDA still doesn't work properly. The PDA part does
work (after applying Confused's tips) although the response time
to user input is sometimes quite high. The GSM part is still
broken. Maybe the OS tries to access some GSM functionality but
cannot and thus causes the pauses.





Subject: Fried XDA
From: SuperKT
Date: 25 Dec, 2002 04:58:10

Please help to confirm how to solve this problem that I also
faced it.




Subject: Need Bootloader and WinCE ROM
From: SuperKT
Date: 25 Dec, 2002 08:36:13

I tried to solve by the flash ROM but I cannot find the
Bootloader and WinCE ROM Image. Please help to ask me for
downloading. Thanks.




Subject: Images
From: XDA developers
Date: 26 Dec, 2002 12:30:18

You'll all notice we become very quiet when it comes to firmware
images. XDA-developers does not, and will not, distribute
software that carries someone else's copyright. Besides: there's
a number of legal sources for these images on the net: O2
Ireland being the prime source for European O2 users at the
moment.

http://www1.o2.ie/master?content=http://www1.o2.ie/xda_upgra
de


SuperKT: if you really need to flash both bootloader and WinCE,
do as follows:

- Get NT, Win2000 or XP
- Get a PC-card or USB to SD-card adapter

- Get the Irish update and let it install without putting XDA in
cradle.
- Start XDArit (
http://xda-developers.com/
XDArit )
- Write to SD from file, check bootloader and WinCE, and use the
.nbf file from the "English" directory of the upgrade package.
- Insert card in XDA and put in bootloader mode
- Flash from SD


Procedure changes somewhat if you have a 5.17 bootloader. See
the XDArit page mentioned above.




Subject: It doesn't work
From: SuperKT
Date: 27 Dec, 2002 09:47:10

XDA Developers,

I tried to do as suggested but it has an error after ROM Flashed
to XDA "Check sum is not correct". I rebooted my XDA but it's
not been work.

I did :-
- Get Win2000
- Get USB to MMC-Card
- Get NK.nbf in the "English" directory of the Asian upgrade
package
- Write Wallet Patch to MMC-Card because my loader version is
5.17
- Boot from MMC-Card with patch
- Take out MMC-Card
- Write NK.nbf to MMC-Card
- Put MMC-Card into XDA
- Select Restore from SD
- It was flashing until finished at 200000 and have the error
"Check Sum is not correct" , Cold boot, Reset
- I dis rest but it's still the same problem
- If boot by loader it has still been "GSM Error".




Subject: Flash problems
From: XDA developers
Date: 29 Dec, 2002 14:33:24

We're aware of multiple people having problems wrecking their
phones during upgrades, usually using the normal RSU upgrade
packs meant for their phone. There's currently not much we can
do, but we are peeking more and more into what is happening
during the phone upgrade process. More info will certainly
follow in the next few weeks.

As for the WinCE part not flashing correctly: flashing through
the bootloader has been very reliable for us, and we're not
aware of others having similar problems. SuperKT: please send us
an even more detailed description of what you did exactly via
e-mail to webmaster@xda-developers.com.




Subject: XDA Update Problem
From: onkeldietmar
Date: 30 Dec, 2002 09:05:30

Hello,
Festan please contact me. i have the same problem as you.
i' ll hope you can help me, because i don't want to sent my XDA
to the service center.
Thanks
yeager@web.de




Subject: ROM Upgrade
From: FintonK
Date: 06 Jan, 2003 12:57:53

Hi,

is there any chance someone could send me a link to download the
new Asian ROM 4.16, i tried MiNGS but the ftp server is no
longer active. I dont have an Asian IMEI to get it from
www.myxda.com :cry:




Subject: Or Please mail it to me!
From: FintonK
Date: 06 Jan, 2003 12:58:38

happyone80@o2.ie

THANKS!




Subject: ASIA rom removed
From: westa
Date: 08 Jan, 2003 08:53:35

Not long after the ASIA rom update was published it was removed
from the myxda website. It looks like there are some ... need to
be fixed issues with that rom ... flash it at your own risk me
thinks.

Westa





Subject: GSM ROM
From: eladsalad
Date: 08 Jan, 2003 18:43:40

i have managed to resurrect my PDA from the dead using the tips
on this post (thanks guys) and have been fiddling to see if i
can get the GSM part working again.

dropping the (rsu_eng.exe) GSM ROM CAB file onto a SD card and
then into my XDA and 'tapping'it starts the Flash Update 1.08
program, tho it doesn't complete (or really start the flash
actually). I have tried a few different things (like SIM/no SIM
and AC Power/no AC) but to no avail.

anyone have any ideas what may be stopping the rsu program from
working?

thanks to xda-dev for they're excellent work and the guys in
this post for thier advice.





Subject: cannot enter patched BL
From: Bong99
Date: 09 Jan, 2003 04:21:03

My BootLoader is 5.17 and I follow the
http://xda-developers.com
/XDArit/

I copy the file "wallaby-patch-tool.nb2" into my 64 MB SD card
to the root directory. Then enter the bootloader mode with
inserted the SD card.

But it cannot enter the Patched BL mode.....

Am I doing something wrong?


:cry: :cry: :cry:

Thanks