Qualcomm MSM7200A & MSM7600 Differences?

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Hello,

what are the differences between the two Chipsets in the Rhodium and the Rhodium W?

Thanks!

Originally Posted by chris.computerfreak

Hello,

what are the differences between the two Chipsets in the Rhodium and the Rhodium W?

Thanks!

I guess the MSM7600 is CDMA whilst the MSM7200 is GSM?

EDIT:
MSM7200 is GSM only
MSM7600 is GSM/CDMA dualmode, which would explain why the Sprint Rhodium FCC listing says it's got GSM disabled...

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=...alcomm_msm7600
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=...alcomm_msm7200

The AT&T GSM band version says: MSM7201a
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos...-pro2/2032864/

I really fancy a TP2 and I may be reading this completely wrongly, but . . .

my Touch Diamond has a MSM7201A processor which is newer than the processor in the TP2 and is 65nm technology, whereas the MSM7200A is 90nm

Have HTC done some form of tweaking to give better performance from the TP2 because if not it doesn't sound like a considerable upgrade on what I have now

Originally Posted by utvol06

The AT&T GSM band version says: MSM7201a
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/photos...-pro2/2032864/

Look at that link, the last sentence at the bottom in red...
"WM 7.x refresh awarded with Sept 09 launch date"

This is exciting me. Is this hinting for Windows Mobile 7 this year September?

Originally Posted by stunno

I really fancy a TP2 and I may be reading this completely wrongly, but . . .

my Touch Diamond has a MSM7201A processor which is newer than the processor in the TP2 and is 65nm technology, whereas the MSM7200A is 90nm

Have HTC done some form of tweaking to give better performance from the TP2 because if not it doesn't sound like a considerable upgrade on what I have now

MSM7201A is not newer than MSM7200A. They are the same generation processor. non-A is 90nm, A is 65nm. 0 is original chip, 1 is with patent workaround. 0 outperforms 1, patent workaround introduced some performance issues.

Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A.

TP2 = much faster than TP (probably mostly related to tweaks we had in our custom ROMs anyways, and faster flash and ram chips).

Why do I need to keep telling people this....

Originally Posted by LilGBlood

Look at that link, the last sentence at the bottom in red...
"WM 7.x refresh awarded with Sept 09 launch date"

This is exciting me. Is this hinting for Windows Mobile 7 this year September?

This is a typo, should be WM 6.x refresh, i.e. 6.5, which has been said to be released on actual phones in September for ages now.

By patent workarounds, may I hopefully assume it's concerning the hardware video acceleration part? If so, may I also hopefully assume the TP2 has some built in use of that part of the chipset??? Please.... My old HD is getting wore out and I need an excuse to upgrade

Thanks Chainfire... many respects...

Originally Posted by Chainfire

...0 is original chip, 1 is with patent workaround. 0 outperforms 1, patent workaround introduced some performance issues.

Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A.

TP2 = much faster than TP ...

Originally Posted by SomethingWicked

By patent workarounds, may I hopefully assume it's concerning the hardware video acceleration part? If so, may I also hopefully assume the TP2 has some built in use of that part of the chipset??? Please.... My old HD is getting wore out and I need an excuse to upgrade

Thanks Chainfire... many respects...

The patent issue AFAIK only has to do with some 3G stuff (I don't know how this relates to the performance issues of the 1 variant, though, I know there is something with that). Still TP2 does have HW 3D video - but so do the Diamond, TP, HD, and Diam2. The TP2 (and TD2) is noticably faster than the HD, though.

Originally Posted by Chainfire

The patent issue AFAIK only has to do with some 3G stuff (I don't know how this relates to the performance issues of the 1 variant, though, I know there is something with that). Still TP2 does have HW 3D video - but so do the Diamond, TP, HD, and Diam2. The TP2 (and TD2) is noticably faster than the HD, though.

Actually, it would have been better if you could put some references about your comments. Especially this one: "Laymans term, 7200A is 65nm and faster than 7201A."

It seems you're right about patent issue (though it is hard to find anything about that), I found this site: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2140146/ta...S-Chipsetsd578, which says:
" In December 2007, US federal judge issued an injunction against Qualcomm for infringement of three Broadcom patents and ordered it to stop selling 3G wideband code division multiple access (WCDMA) cellular chips that breach Broadcom patents. The company has launched the mobile station modem (MSM) 6271, MSM6281, MSM7201 and MSM7201A chipsets in the US. According to the company, the new chipsets are pin- and software-compatible with the existing product versions for easy transition. "

So if the site i'm referecing is reliable, then you're right about this.
But where did you get the info about the 65nm? Could you give us some references? The only site I found (where the size is mentioned) is this: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=...lcomm_msm7200a and it says it is 90nm.

What's more interesting that on this site: http://www.qctconnect.com/products/m...cal%20Features It says: "Qcamcorder™: Record up to 24 fps QVGA"
Meanwile here: http://pdfserv.datasheetpro.net/QUAL...0a_chipset.pdf
"Qcamcorder™ Encoder
• A real-time wireless video recording solution that captures movies at 30 fps WVGA"
(this datasheet - by the way - mentions lots of interesting infos)

Originally Posted by mydexterid

Actually, it would have been better ...

Perhaps if you asked nicely. And even then I'm inclined to tell you to UTFS (it's not like this is "new" information)

EDIT: BTW, seems I didn't mention it in this thread - I did in another - it does indeed seem that the US TP2 (non-Sprint, which will use MSM7600 series) is MSM7201A, while the EU (and possibly Asia) versions use MSM7200A.