Lose the CDMA

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not sure about sprint, but Verizon when I use to hack motorlas, had the hardest registery to hack, and graphical interface witout flashing a complete new Rom, and I couldn't stand not beinging able to swap out phones with just a SIM card change, Verizon and Sprint, are tooo controlling, and I would avoid them, sure clarity and service are good on the CDMA network, but, I can't stand feeling like I'm being controlled, and the slight degrade in service doesn't offest the negatives

Originally Posted by Dalamak

not sure about sprint, but Verizon when I use to hack motorlas, had the hardest registery to hack, and graphical interface witout flashing a complete new Rom, and I couldn't stand not beinging able to swap out phones with just a SIM card change, Verizon and Sprint, are tooo controlling, and I would avoid them, sure clarity and service are good on the CDMA network, but, I can't stand feeling like I'm being controlled, and the slight degrade in service doesn't offest the negatives

Couple things

1 - CDMA Touch Pro 2 also has SIM slot and should work on GSM networks (I haven't seen it myself so 'should' but the SIM slot is there in the spec) - You can swap whatever SIM car you want in the CDMA TP2.
2 - T-Mob reception at my house sucks
3 - I got 28% monthly service discount for Sprint vs 15% for T-Mob from my employee

Conclusion: What is bad for you isn't bad for everyone...

Actually, the GSM is locked so it only works outside the US. (I think it is hardware locked too so it would be very hard to crack.)

Originally Posted by Dalamak

not sure about sprint, but Verizon when I use to hack motorlas, had the hardest registery to hack, and graphical interface witout flashing a complete new Rom, and I couldn't stand not beinging able to swap out phones with just a SIM card change, Verizon and Sprint, are tooo controlling, and I would avoid them, sure clarity and service are good on the CDMA network, but, I can't stand feeling like I'm being controlled, and the slight degrade in service doesn't offest the negatives

I don't like feeling controlled either, but I like staring at a $500 phone with 0 signal bars even less.

Where I live and drive, any phone running on anything else besides Verizon is as good as a brick.

Sorry man, The Network > All

And honestly, I don't see changing phones as an issue at all. With Verizon you can swap out phones in 10 seconds online via ESN swap. And as for selection, aside from a very few devices like the iPhone or Hero, there are CDMA version of most major US based GSM phones. The only area that CDMA really lacks is that you can't activate overseas phones like some of the rarer Nokia's, but those phones usually don't have US 3G anyway so wtf is the point?

Originally Posted by dgourd

Actually, the GSM is locked so it only works outside the US. (I think it is hardware locked too so it would be very hard to crack.)

Quadband GSM capabilities are available on both Verizon and Sprint's Rhodiums.

According to the sheet from Verizon...

Originally Posted by Verizon Wireless

EV-DO, 1X RTT capable (Rev. A capable); GSM Quad Band (GSM/GPRS/EDGE); UMTS / WCDMA / HSDPA / HSUPA

That $489 off-contract price point and the un-crippled RAM really makes me think... should I go to Verizon off-contract at $489 or pay $450 on contract at Sprint before rebates?

Originally Posted by computerpro3

I don't like feeling controlled either, but I like staring at a $500 phone with 0 signal bars even less.
And as for selection, aside from a very few devices like the iPhone or Hero, there are CDMA version of most major US based GSM phones.

Actually, Sprint is coming out with their version of the Hero.

@labsONE
They do have GSM capabilities. The GSM only works oustside the US though. Read the FCC filings. They said they locked the GSM through hardware and firmware so it only works outside US. Inside US, you have CDMA.

Originally Posted by dgourd

Actually, Sprint is coming out with their version of the Hero.

@labsONE
They do have GSM capabilities. The GSM only works oustside the US though. Read the FCC filings. They said they locked the GSM through hardware and firmware so it only works outside US. Inside US, you have CDMA.

I unlocked my Telus version which says the same thing on the box and it works on Rogers in Canada and should work on any network and with any sim. Even tried it with an orange sim from france.

so it only works outside US. Inside US, you have CDMA.

it works on Rogers in Canada

Um...that would be outside the US. Sorry, felt like being a dick. :P

I personally like the phone and all of it could be capibilities...

There's a SIM slot and I have a AT&T PAYG card sitting in it - it works fine (this is a Canadian Telus TP2.) Unfortunately I can't get the 3G working yet but I am sure HSPA will be able to be leveraged sooner or later with some tweaks.

CDMA reception is very good and data speeds on EVDO are fast.