Android on HTC Fuze (Raphael 110) - Crashes and Questions

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**Let me begin by saying that, as a newcomer to the forum, I apologize of this has been posted in the wrong place. I considered posting it in various HTC Fuze specific or Android subforums, but decided on this one as it is "(Android) Software...General". If there's a problem, please notify me and move this thread accordingly. I have no intention of creating problems.**

I've been doing a great deal of experimenting with Android on my Fuze, and (after trying XDAndroid 2.0.1) am trying to get 1.6 (Donut) working.

I've been using the (1.6) build on connect-utb.com. My phone is an HTC Fuze, or a Raphael 110. Apparently, it (the build) was last made/modified on 11/22/09, and (quoting from the download/version description):

"This Android package is based on the Current phhusson/leobaillard's release from 22.11.2009."

The problem I'm having is that, among other things, 1.6 seems to be VERY unstable.

A program (google maps/voice/android keyboard/marketplace/etc...) seems to crash every minute. I've become rather exasperated with it, and, after multiple manual restarts and re-installations, I've come to the oasis of mobile phone knowledge asking for assistance.

I'm confused (regarding 1.6), as this is supposedly the more stable build. I shied away from XDAndroid 2.0.1 due to the small bits of UI lag I was experiencing. 1.6 attracted me due to the claim that it's much faster (as well as having a couple more features working).

Can somebody give me some advice in regards to whether I might be doing something wrong? I'm sure I'm using the correct startup.txt, and don't quite know what the problem could be.

Granted, if somebody also has ways of optimizing XDAndroid 2.0.1, or providing an optimized build, I'd welcome that alternative.

In short, I'm looking for an Android build that will run very fast, and with exceptional stability, on a Raphael 110.

Thank you in advance.

Get the latest builds from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601751

Thank you for pointing me in that direction, JR_de, but, as I understand it, that thread pertains solely to Android 2.0.1 Eclair.

When I used that version, I found the graphics and response times (overall system speed) were somewhat laggy. Is that normal (for my phone)? Is there a way to optimize it?

I know that the HTC Fuze (Raphael) has a 528Mhz processor, as well as 288Mbs of RAM, which is on par with the HTC Magic - another Android phone.

Can you please provide some insight as to whether I could either 1)optimize Eclair or 2) download a stable 1.6?

Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by xyrovice

Thank you for pointing me in that direction, JR_de, but, as I understand it, that thread pertains solely to Android 2.0.1 Eclair.

When I used that version, I found the graphics and response times (overall system speed) were somewhat laggy. Is that normal (for my phone)? Is there a way to optimize it?

I know that the HTC Fuze (Raphael) has a 528Mhz processor, as well as 288Mbs of RAM, which is on par with the HTC Magic - another Android phone.

Can you please provide some insight as to whether I could either 1)optimize Eclair or 2) download a stable 1.6?

Thanks again.

try agian when its update almost everytime its improved speed wise

some have said that the febuary 22 build is faster

Originally Posted by jul644

try agian when its update almost everytime its improved speed wise

some have said that the febuary 22 build is faster

Would that also include every build thereafter, or just the one from February 22nd?? I downloaded and am using the March 1st build in the hopes that, as it's the most up to date, it will be the 'best'.

Also, I saw something about enabling 3D in Windows Mobile (before launching Haret, I assume). It said you could do this by launching TouchFlo3D.

I booted back into WinMo, launched TF3D, and am now going to see if it's any faster.

Thank you both for your help so far.

You might have more luck posting your questions on the XDAndroid forum. I too would definitely recommend using the later Eclair versions, I remember a massive performance leap around two months ago when that version number shot up. The Eclair builds will obviously be updated more regularly too.

The graphics lag is completely normal for your Fuze. The reason isn't a hardware problem, it's because the drivers for the graphics chip and just about everyting else in your WM phone need rewriting for Android, and they haven't been optimised yet, hence them not running as smoothly as on phones whose drivers have been written specifically for Android by HTC themselves.

My Touch Pro would require a soft reset every ~5 minutes with the XDAndroid 1.6 builds, but I could probably use it for 24 hours now on Eclair without it crashing.

If you're still unsure, why not just give Eclair a go? You can always switch back if you find it slower. As for your search for a build "that will run very fast, and with exceptional stability, on a Raphael 110", I'm afraid that the development just hasn't got there yet, especially for the stability. Relative to Windows, it's still miles off for that.

Originally Posted by ben_duder

You might have more luck posting your questions on the XDAndroid forum. I too would definitely recommend using the later Eclair versions, I remember a massive performance leap around two months ago when that version number shot up. The Eclair builds will obviously be updated more regularly too.

The graphics lag is completely normal for your Fuze. The reason isn't a hardware problem, it's because the drivers for the graphics chip and just about everyting else in your WM phone need rewriting for Android, and they haven't been optimised yet, hence them not running as smoothly as on phones whose drivers have been written specifically for Android by HTC themselves.

My Touch Pro would require a soft reset every ~5 minutes with the XDAndroid 1.6 builds, but I could probably use it for 24 hours now on Eclair without it crashing.

If you're still unsure, why not just give Eclair a go? You can always switch back if you find it slower. As for your search for a build "that will run very fast, and with exceptional stability, on a Raphael 110", I'm afraid that the development just hasn't got there yet, especially for the stability. Relative to Windows, it's still miles off for that.

Thanks for taking the time to write this.

Since my last post, I have indeed given Eclair a second chance, and find it performing a bit better than I remember. Granted, I'm using the 'standard' home screen, not the Home++ one (if that makes any difference).

Also, thanks for clarifying that it's the graphics drivers that are hindering performance. That gives me hope, seeing as it's (more or less) a software issue that can, and hopefully will be, fixed.

While I would love to see the OS become faster one my phone, right now my biggest issue lies in battery life. Past that, it's camera capability, and then GPS. I'm also fiddling with a 3g/data issue, but I'm sure I'll work that out. I have never used bluetooth for the years that I've owned a cell phone, so I'm not too worried about that.

Honestly, though, I've been using Eclair for the past few days with very few reboots. I've never has any major crashes (usually only one when I boot into android and it says the latin keyboard process has crashed), and thus haven't had to reboot out of "necessity."

In short, I have given it a second chance, and am very thankful for doing so.

I wouldn't worry too much about battery life, GPS and the camera as they're the most commonly asked about things on the thread. The developers are well aware of how many users want these working, and I'm sure that if the project continues to be updated, these things (particuarly battery life) will be prioritised.
I asked svetius to open a board for Raphael Android Development, and he has very kindly done so. In the future, you'll probably get more replies here.

This is very, very much appreciated.

Thanks for your time, as well as the link (and your efforts in regards to the creation of that board).

does anyone have a good startup.txt file for their raphael
i need one because my raph has android preformance issues.
thanks