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I don't believe T-Mobile is getting the compact version, check this http://developer.sonymobile.com/tag/d5833/ and notice the tags at the bottom, no mention of a D5816 which should be the model of the compact TMO version, if there was one, based on D6616 being the standard size version.
 
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It looks like this phone will be compatible up to HSPA 21Mbit, GSM and Edge on T-Mobile. It seems to be missing the 1700/2100 AWS required for T-Mobile's 42Mbit "4G"

From T-Mobile: http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-6991
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In order to work on T-Mobile's network, the device must support one of the following frequencies:
850 MHz (2G)
1900 MHz (2G or 3G / 4G depending on location)
1700/2100 MHz (3G / 4G or LTE depending on location)
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobil...spectrum_chart

From Sony: http://dl-developer.sonymobile.com/d...D5833_WP_1.pdf
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D5803
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 20)

D5833
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
LTE (Bands 1, 3, 5, 7, 8, 28)
TD LTE Band 40
So you'd end up with EDGE, GSM, and HSPA 21Mbit. Wikipedia does list Band 2 LTE on 1900MHz and the D5803 variant does support Band 2 LTE but I'm not sure if that make it compatible
 
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It looks like this phone will be compatible up to HSPA 21Mbit, GSM and Edge on T-Mobile. It seems to be missing the 1700/2100 AWS required for T-Mobile's 42Mbit "4G"

From T-Mobile: http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-6991

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobil...spectrum_chart

From Sony: http://dl-developer.sonymobile.com/d...D5833_WP_1.pdf


So you'd end up with EDGE, GSM, and HSPA 21Mbit. Wikipedia does list Band 2 LTE on 1900MHz and the D5803 variant does support Band 2 LTE but I'm not sure if that make it compatible
I think you may be mistaken. It supports the T-Mobile AWS bands, which are 1700/2100, at least on the D5803 model, which is what the UK retailers are supposedly selling. It shouldn't have a problem getting full 42mbps HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.

Additionally, LTE Band 4 is the T-Mobile AWS LTE, so it supports that as well.

The only T-Moble frequency it doesn't support is the new 700Mhz stuff they bought from ATT (LTE Band 12), but they haven't done anything with that frequency, and likely won't for another year or so.
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I think you may be mistaken. It supports the T-Mobile AWS bands, which are 1700/2100, at least on the D5803 model, which is what the UK retailers are supposedly selling. It shouldn't have a problem getting full 42mbps HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.

Additionally, LTE Band 4 is the T-Mobile AWS LTE, so it supports that as well.

The only T-Moble frequency it doesn't support is the new 700Mhz stuff they bought from ATT (LTE Band 12), but they haven't done anything with that frequency, and likely won't for another year or so.
Yea I completely glossed over LTE Band 4, whoops. I thought to support 1700/2100 AWS UMTS the phone would have to support both 1700 Band 4 and 2100 Band 4 (which it only supports band 1 at this frequency), but I may be mistaken. And I appreciate you setting the record straight if I'm mistaken in that regard.
 
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Yea I completely glossed over LTE Band 4, whoops. I thought to support 1700/2100 AWS UMTS the phone would have to support both 1700 Band 4 and 2100 Band 4 (which it only supports band 1 at this frequency), but I may be mistaken. And I appreciate you setting the record straight if I'm mistaken in that regard.
I can understand the confusion.

Sony, and possibly other phone manufacturers, don't generally seem to list 2100MHz(IV) seperately, likely since it's "bundled" with 1700MHz(IV) for the purposes of the AWS compatibility. One without the other is largely pointless (I believe).

So by listing 1700MHz (IV), they're indicating that it also supports 2100MHz(IV). As an example of what I mean, look at the official frequency listing for the Xperia Z2, which is my current phone.

D6503
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 20)

Notice how it also omits 2100MHz(IV) frequency, but it definitely supports T-Mobile AWS.

Anyway, The Z3 Compact is absolutely going to support AWS.
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I can understand the confusion.

Sony, and possibly other phone manufacturers, don't generally seem to list 2100MHz(IV) seperately, likely since it's "bundled" with 1700MHz(IV) for the purposes of the AWS compatibility. One without the other is largely pointless (I believe).

So by listing 1700MHz (IV), they're indicating that it also supports 2100MHz(IV). As an example of what I mean, look at the official frequency listing for the Xperia Z2, which is my current phone.

D6503
UMTS HSPA+ 850 (Band V), 900 (Band VIII), 1700 (Band IV), 1900 (Band II), 2100 (Band I) MHz
GSM GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
LTE (Bands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 13, 17, 20)

Notice how it also omits 2100MHz(IV) frequency, but it definitely supports T-Mobile AWS.

Anyway, The Z3 Compact is absolutely going to support AWS.
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Thank you all for this info. Guys. I am really tempted to purchase the z3t over the z3 but I was really worried about using LTE connectivity. I have never owned a sony phone, just my galaxy s3 so this is definitely something new for me and I am ready to try something new. I was tempted to purchase from handtech but I think I will wait a week or 2 to make sure. It is said to be available in 2 days. I want LTE, this would be my first LTE experience.
 
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Thank you all for this info. Guys. I am really tempted to purchase the z3t over the z3 but I was really worried about using LTE connectivity. I have never owned a sony phone, just my galaxy s3 so this is definitely something new for me and I am ready to try something new. I was tempted to purchase from handtech but I think I will wait a week or 2 to make sure. It is said to be available in 2 days. I want LTE, this would be my first LTE experience.
No need to be concerned.

The Z3C definitely supports T-Mobile's LTE bands, except for the newly purchased 700Mhz stuff from ATT (LTE Band 12), but I wouldn't expect to see that rolled out anywhere sooner than 8 months to a year, and then it's probably going to be present only in very few areas.

Honestly, I don't think Band 12 will be a concern for another couple of years, based on the speed at which T-Mobile initially rolled out LTE.
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No need to be concerned.

The Z3C definitely supports T-Mobile's LTE bands, except for the newly purchased 700Mhz stuff from ATT (LTE Band 12), but I wouldn't expect to see that rolled out anywhere sooner than 8 months to a year, and then it's probably going to be present only in very few areas.

Honestly, I don't think Band 12 will be a concern for another couple of years, based on the speed at which T-Mobile initially rolled out LTE.
I have a Z3C coming for use on T-Mo in the states (going from GS3 as well). I almost didn't get it because of the lack of compatibility with LTE Band 12, but then I saw where the Band 12 coverage will actually be. Frankly, it doesn't cover my area, so I decided since it is compatible with all the other LTE Bands to go for it.

There is a great map at TMoNews that shows you just where the Band 12 coverage will be, but I can't post links yet.

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