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I'm sorry but you are wrong.
It is not against forum policy: http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?a=81
nor it is insulting.
Since when is question insulting? No question is stupid or wrong.
Only Official Cyanogen mod has "NO ETAS" rule.
In Nook threads Developers demands only to not clutter devs threads.
This is not dev thread, thus is perfectly fine to ask questions here.
In dev threads is posted very little + not often and nothing about Ducati.
Only updates are from Kuzma30, nothing from Rebellos.
Ducati in 3.0 kernel was reason why this thread was open 3 months ago.
Many people now thinking about purchasing Nexus7,
and Fully working 3.0kernel with HW accel can be dealbreaker.
But don't worry, without some info released soon
I believe most people just going to buy Nexus7 and then
people will not ask anything.
It is funny that rules are for interpretation to fit ones own needs.
Sent from my Nook Tablet using xda premium
Please stop. I know I still haven't released anything and sorry, but yes - I'm working as much as I can. Spent last few nights on it and I hope I can post few nice things soon. I must admit it abit overwhelmed me, but that doesn't mean I've been doing nothing.
I disagree. This isn't a development thread so were not exactly cluttering anything. I'd also say "pages" is a bit of an exaggeration.
Were having a discussion about updates and what we each think is the proper way to get them. I wouldn't even consider this guy a troll. As you said, he believes on thing and I am at the very least, trying to get others to see what I think is the proper viewpoint. If I happen to also change his mind, thats great. If not, at least people see my opinion on "updates."
I am intrigued as to how I'm "pissing myself off more though." Care to elaborate?
I apologise, but I do have to respond.
Your statements are easy to verify.
And most of them are not correct.
YOU:
No, its you who is wrong. It may not be "official" policy, but its generally considered taboo to be asking for updates.
ME: It is not in rules. Period
you are saying something about "generally considered" I'm sorry but it can be your personal opinion. If is not in the rules then it means NOTHING.
for example:
Drinking age in USA is 21.
My opinion is: Drinking age have to be 18,
because in all other coutries drinking age is 18.
And I heard from many other sources that 18 is good age for it.
Guess what: It doesn't matter what I heard somewhere and somebody else repeat it milion times, or what I think.
Because drinking age in USA is 21. It is a written law. Period.
We can discuss is, we can argue about it, we can even disagree with it, but that is all what we can do about it. In USA if you drink under 21, you are going to be punished.
You:
Additionally, Rebellos works on more than one device,
Me:
This is actually true.
But obviously, I don't care about other devices.
I focus on stuff (DUCATI) in this thread and trying to solve this thread problems.
BTW, DUCATI - Rebellos actualy got nook tablet only for this purpose.
You:
and yet just a few weeks ago he commented in the Kernel development thread (you would know this if you bothered to follow the thread).
Me:
Rebellos posted 1x 8th June 2012, 11:37 PM in DUCATI thread promising to work on it, and second in last month in the Kernel development thread, 24th June 2012, 05:55 PM, not related to ducati at all.
So, yes I follow threads, unfortunately there is nothing to follow.
You:
Otherwise though, did you ever think that perhaps very little is posted because these guys are busy/actively working?
Me:
Really? Really is so difficult drop every 3 to 5 days some 1 line about progress?
YOU:
You asked for an update. I told you how you could find one. The problem is, you seem to think there should be some sort of spokesperson that should come to this thread to keep you informed. Follow the threads if you want to keep up to date with things.
Me: You are fun. There is not any update about DUCATI and you didn't link me where is one.
PS: by word "update" I din't mean release working DUCATI. But once a week announce some progress. I think it is very reasonable request.
PPS: If you think it will piss him off and he will stop developing, after 3 months of nothing, it doesn't really matter, because there probably was not any developing. After little uprise here he posted again universal "SORRY SOON" post without any tech details. It means he is alive, but information value is zero.
Are you scared devs will stop? One word answer: NEXUS7
Quality post bro. Please don't stop.
I'll address only the last part, because the rest of your post is pure drivel. I'm not scared of devs stopping development. I actually sold off my Nook to a friend so I no longer have a personal interest in this. But it does get tiring seeing people like you thinking they are entitled to some sort of service. XDA does not exist as an alternative form of customer service. It does not exist to cater to your needs/demands/wants/tears.\
Rebellos doesn't owe you a damn thing. He didnt sign any form of contract when the Nook was donated to him.
Get over it.
Oh. And Nexus 7 isn't one word.
I'll address only the last part, because the rest of your post is pure drivel. I'm not scared of devs stopping development. I actually sold off my Nook to a friend so I no longer have a personal interest in this. But it does get tiring seeing people like you thinking they are entitled to some sort of service. XDA does not exist as an alternative form of customer service. It does not exist to cater to your needs/demands/wants/tears.\
Rebellos doesn't owe you a damn thing. He didnt sign any form of contract when the Nook was donated to him.
Get over it.
Oh. And Nexus 7 isn't one word.
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For those of us who did contribute at the beginning, we have been checking various forums (or checking on the posts of individual members). The sense of community that was there at the start, the way we rallied to come up with the money, has given way to a sense of futility (and, possibly, frustration) that is evident in some of the recent posts.
I think we all want this venture to be successful, since most of us still have our NTs, but it is difficult not to wonder whether we should have held on to our money.
We may not have had a contract with Rebellos but, if one reads the OP, the purpose of the collection was to dedicate a machine for some to work on the Ducati.
I think we all want this venture to be successful, since most of us still have our NTs, but it is difficult not to wonder whether we should have held on to our money.
We may not have had a contract with Rebellos but, if one reads the OP, the purpose of the collection was to dedicate a machine for some to work on the Ducati.
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Am attaching here what i posted about development in another thread so to stop you ppl arguing about it.
"Hey ppl,
Dont get desperate so easily, anyway 4 cores on a 7" is an overkill imo.
NT is more than capable machine with great future ahead, so just give some time to developers to develop
I know that great things are coming over the TI side to help us and all omap developers.
1st their development model has changed substantially and they now are able to release source code to aid in ducati development and that GT timer issue we are facing. In coming months they will release the codecs needed to produce our own ducati with any gt timer wanted
Also as seen on kernel development Kuzma is fighting with 3.4!!! kernel already (kudos to him for finding the courage this early times, 3.4 is in infantry right now)
Kuzma has started developing new kernel based on 3.0.31 kernel from TI git(we have surrpassed ics level code ) just got into 4.1 android upgrade circle so needs time to get up again and continue.
We have a lot of great developers on this already and also we are very lucky to have the one that developed the amazing KF kernel v3~.
I know DDK1.9 driver is coming in next TI update for the GRFX card of ours.
This platform is not dead yet, not even close to. Just need time to stand on its feet.
2nd Consider this, if all the bugs gets eliminated by developers and believe me they are close to this, then upgrading to new kernels or android versions will be a breeze sailing from there!
3rd Patience is a virtue afterall.
The phrase "patience is a virtue" is just a way of expressing the importance of being patient. A virtue is a trait or quality deemed to be morally excellent and thus is valued as a foundation of principle and good moral being. Patience can make us better people. The definition of the word is to tolerate delay implying self control and forbearance. When we say "patience is a virtue" we are exposing our moral values and expressing the importance of patience as a foundation of principle. So to answer the question patience is not a virtue until it truly becomes a virtue and knowing how diverse the spectrum of individualism is I'm sure patience is a vice(opposite of virtue) to some. Patience is a necessity for a happy existence and that is why the phrase is so often used."
"Hey ppl,
Dont get desperate so easily, anyway 4 cores on a 7" is an overkill imo.
NT is more than capable machine with great future ahead, so just give some time to developers to develop
I know that great things are coming over the TI side to help us and all omap developers.
1st their development model has changed substantially and they now are able to release source code to aid in ducati development and that GT timer issue we are facing. In coming months they will release the codecs needed to produce our own ducati with any gt timer wanted
Also as seen on kernel development Kuzma is fighting with 3.4!!! kernel already (kudos to him for finding the courage this early times, 3.4 is in infantry right now)
Kuzma has started developing new kernel based on 3.0.31 kernel from TI git(we have surrpassed ics level code
) just got into 4.1 android upgrade circle so needs time to get up again and continue.We have a lot of great developers on this already and also we are very lucky to have the one that developed the amazing KF kernel v3~.
I know DDK1.9 driver is coming in next TI update for the GRFX card of ours.
This platform is not dead yet, not even close to. Just need time to stand on its feet.
2nd Consider this, if all the bugs gets eliminated by developers and believe me they are close to this, then upgrading to new kernels or android versions will be a breeze sailing from there!
3rd Patience is a virtue afterall.
The phrase "patience is a virtue" is just a way of expressing the importance of being patient. A virtue is a trait or quality deemed to be morally excellent and thus is valued as a foundation of principle and good moral being. Patience can make us better people. The definition of the word is to tolerate delay implying self control and forbearance. When we say "patience is a virtue" we are exposing our moral values and expressing the importance of patience as a foundation of principle. So to answer the question patience is not a virtue until it truly becomes a virtue and knowing how diverse the spectrum of individualism is I'm sure patience is a vice(opposite of virtue) to some. Patience is a necessity for a happy existence and that is why the phrase is so often used."
il Duce
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I JUST DELETED OVER 40 POSTS OF ABSOLUTE DRIVEL/WHINING/TROLLING/FLAMING/IDIOCY
IF I HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN I WILL HAND OUT LOTS OF INFRACTIONS
THIS IS YOUR ONLY AND FINAL WARNING
do NOT ask for ETAs
do NOT harrass devs (especially ELITE ones)
do NOT get into flame wars
do NOT argue like babies
now please go re-read the big bold red text up there ^^^
thanks
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@donations:
Thanks, but there is not really such need - Actually I don't think that getting donations for something I haven't done yet is right, so if you want to donate - please do it when I finally develop something for NT.
good attitudes ^^^
It is wrong to ask for ETAs when none were given or promised. Here's a rule for YOU, from ME - don't do it, it's childish and annoying. It's been a couple months since rebellos got the NT, and the level of dev this takes is beyond your comprehension, clearly.
It is not an exaggeration, it was PAGES, and 100% clutter BS.
^THAT^ IS AN ELITE RECOGNIZED DEV AND NONE OF YOU WILL HARRASS HIM! HE SAID HE IS WORKING, HE ALSO SAID HE HAS A REAL LIFE, END OF GAME
Just because there is not a finished product does NOT mean work isn't being done. To assume so is ludicrous. Those who donated did NOT purchase an item, with a warranty, NOR was said doantion given to a project that had a deadline. Sometimes development simply stops, that doesn't mean your donations were in vain. If a dev, at any level, takes on a new project and works on it for months, especially at or below kernel code, that dev has learned a GREAT deal and will translate that into further projects. Again, donation does not equal a guarantee.
Take your time, and I hope you ENJOY cracking binary code. FYI, if you ever see ANYTHING like the drivel that's been thrown at you here PLEASE send me a PM and I will deal with it swiftly.
Actually, I get to interpret the rules, and hopefully now EVERYBODY in here understands...
do NOT ask for ETAs
do NOT harrass devs (especially ELITE ones)
do NOT get into flame wars
do NOT argue like babies
now please go re-read the big bold red text up there ^^^
thanks
^^^^^ Epic post. And I don't even own a nook tablet lol...^^^^^
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There are many guides for NT. Just browse a bit through forums.
Also, as NT is 100% unbrickable it hurts nothing to test anything out.
Also, as NT is 100% unbrickable it hurts nothing to test anything out.
Is it true for the 16GB or 8GB version, or just any NT?
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I'm pretty sure it's true for any. Though I never had 8G, but bricked my 16G in few different ways, and all of them were recoverable.
Btw - remember to backup your "rom" partition.
I'm pretty sure it's true for any. Though I never had 8G, but bricked my 16G in few different ways, and all of them were recoverable.
Btw - remember to backup your "rom" partition.
Backup ROM partition? What's included in that partition that we'd need to unbrick with?
I think he just means for when you "unbrick" you'll have something to restore. If I remember right, the best and most reliable means of unbricking involve essentially returning the device to factory state. Having a rom partition backup like you can make in cwm or twrp will allow the user to restore rather easily after unbricking.
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B&N serial number and some sensitive data used by B&N store. Actually, AFAIK, it's completely not used by any Android ports. But is used by stock firmware.
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I am asking for donations to buy Elite Recognized Developer Rebellos a Nook Tablet so we can get Android Ice Cream Sandwich(ICS), CyanogenMod 9(CM9) and Ubuntu running properly on the Nook Tablet.
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My motivation
I wish to accelerate development and rebellos has expressed interest. The best way to do this is to get a device into the hands of a well-qualified developer who can work at the binary level (not code, binary)... we need to call in "the big guns".
Development
In order to advance our devices to be able to run ICS, CM9, or Ubuntu properly (not just alpha or beta) we need to complete work on the Android 3.0 kernel. The kernel is being developed here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1480586
The technical details
Our devices are advertised as "Dual-Core", however that's not entirely true. They're actually Quad-Core. Of course there's Dual Cortex A9's but there is a subsystem in the OMAP4430 processor called the "Dual M3 Subsystem", also known as "Ducati_M3", or just Ducati.
The Ducati Subsystem is basically a video processor. It handles acceleration of video, allowing you to watch 1080i video in a browser and speeds up rendering of other on-screen items. It's basically a video card.
The software which runs Ducati is a totally separate Real-Time-Operating-System.. An RTOS, kinda like a bootloader. After the device boots up, the kernel feeds software into the Dual M3 Subsystem. This initialises the Ducati and it simply accelerates video as requested by the system.
The problem which requires a solution
Athough the Nook Tablet's OMAP4430 has more documentation available than any other current processor; and theoretically it should be easy to port anything to it.... Our device was designed in a non-standard way. Our devices are wired in a way that uses a timer in a way that was not intended.
The Solution
We need an expert with ARM Assembly language to:
- Separate the Ducati firmware into individual files
- decompile the separated Ducati firmware into raw bits and bytes
- modify the individual instructions in Ducati's Real Time Operating System
- recompile the Ducati firmware into usable form.
Why Rebellos?
I've worked with ERD rebellos in the past and I know for a fact that he knows ARM assembly inside and out. On top of that his day-job is to actually WRITE Real-Time Operating Systems.
Rebellos' related list of qualifications:
- Rebellos created the Hummingbird Interceptor Bootloader (The bootloader which allows UnBrickable Mod) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1233273
- Rebellos created bootloaders which allow Android OS to boot on Samsung Bada OS phones (Bada is a closed source Operating System) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1343706
- Rebellos has decompiled and turned GUI applications into command-line applications using nothing but Assembly language http://code.google.com/p/hummingbird-hibl/source/list?num=25
- Rebellos designs similar Real-Time Operating Systems in his 9-5 job.
Conclusion
With all of this in mind, I see a totally clear path to getting ICS/CyanogenMod 9/Ubuntu running on the Nook Tablet... Get Rebellos a device to enable him to work on the Video Acceleration.
If you can't develop, this is your chance to contribute to development and to get the same device which you own into a truly skilled developer's hands. If you can develop, contributing to this cause will build the foundation which your development is based upon.
Click this link to help this Development Fundraiser 100% of your contributions will go toward a Nook Tablet.
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THIS IS YOUR ONLY AND FINAL WARNING
@donations:
Thanks, but there is not really such need - Actually I don't think that getting donations for something I haven't done yet is right, so if you want to donate - please do it when I finally develop something for NT.
good attitudes ^^^
It is wrong to ask for ETAs when none were given or promised. Here's a rule for YOU, from ME - don't do it, it's childish and annoying. It's been a couple months since rebellos got the NT, and the level of dev this takes is beyond your comprehension, clearly.
It is not an exaggeration, it was PAGES, and 100% clutter BS.
^THAT^ IS AN ELITE RECOGNIZED DEV AND NONE OF YOU WILL HARRASS HIM! HE SAID HE IS WORKING, HE ALSO SAID HE HAS A REAL LIFE, END OF GAME
Just because there is not a finished product does NOT mean work isn't being done. To assume so is ludicrous. Those who donated did NOT purchase an item, with a warranty, NOR was said doantion given to a project that had a deadline. Sometimes development simply stops, that doesn't mean your donations were in vain. If a dev, at any level, takes on a new project and works on it for months, especially at or below kernel code, that dev has learned a GREAT deal and will translate that into further projects. Again, donation does not equal a guarantee.
Take your time, and I hope you ENJOY cracking binary code. FYI, if you ever see ANYTHING like the drivel that's been thrown at you here PLEASE send me a PM and I will deal with it swiftly.
Actually, I get to interpret the rules, and hopefully now EVERYBODY in here understands...
do NOT ask for ETAs
do NOT harrass devs (especially ELITE ones)
do NOT get into flame wars
do NOT argue like babies
now please go re-read the big bold red text up there ^^^
thanks14Hey there!
Thanks everyone for such incredibly fast feedback on Adam post. I'll do my best to help improve that device. NT has got awesome dev potential cause of relative big openess and awesome tech spec. Got some ideas for mods already. But for now Ducati is the priority.
It's easy in Poland to get USA->EUR plug adapter so charger won't be a problem.
