Canadian version missing LTE band 17?

@sundoggy

Here are all available bands present in the Snapdragon version:

4G LTE
B1 (2100), B2 (1900), B3 (1800), B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1), B5 (850), B7 (2600), B8 (900), B12 (700), B13 (700), B14 (700), B17 (700), B18 (800), B19 (800), B20 (800), B25 (1900+), B26 (850), B28 (700), B29 (700), B30 (2300), B38 (TDD 2600), B39 (TDD 1900), B40 (TDD 2300), B41 (TDD 2500), B46 (TDD 900), B66 (1700/2100), B71 (600)

3G
B1 (2100), B2 (1900), B4 (1700/2100 AWS A-F), B5 (850), B8 (900), B34 (TD 2000), B39 (TD 1900+)

2G
CDMA BC0 (800), CDMA BC1 (1900), CDMA BC10 (800 Secondary), B2 (1900), B3 (1800), B5 (850), B8 (900)

sundoggy said:

Does this mean it doesn't matter which country? All SD should support all those? Since Samsung Canada official website didn't list all of them.

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I noticed the same thing myself (e.g., the missing band on Samsung Canada) but a couple things:

Samsung needs to update that page. > DISREGARD.

Band 17 helps to improve 4G LTE speeds for many Canadian telecoms and their subsidiaries. It has worked for previous Samsung devices. I don't foresee any reason why it would be revoked for newer devices.

I'm using a G975U1 that I converted to G975W and am having no issues on Telus (WiFi Calling/VoLTE/LTE+).

Telus also WRONGLY references Band 17 as working with S10-related devices:

https://www.telus.com/en/on/mobility/phones/samsung-galaxy-s10
(Under 'Specifications')

Neither I or my friend are seeing B17 on our S10/S10+ when going into *#2263#

We both have Canadian units.

Rogers too!

AHE_XDA said:

Band 17 is essential for Bell and Telus and their subsidiaries (Virgin Mobile and Koodo) and has worked for previous Samsung devices. I don't foresee any reason why it would be revoked for newer devices.

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AHE_XDA,

I do not know how "essential" it is in the real world situations, but it is not limited to just Bell and TELUS (and of course, their flanker brands)... Rogers has also got the MBS spectrum licenses - including the 700MHz Lower B / C blocks that Band 17 covers - in various regions of Canada as well as jointly holds some with Vidéotron in Eastern Ontario & Outaouais / Quebec.

sundoggy said:

Samsung Canada really messed this one up. I know band 17 is essential. I just check Band 17 is not listed.
Anyway we can ask Samsung to activate this

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You may wish to create a post in the Samsung Members Community Forum as Samsung monitors that.

howipig said:

AHE_XDA,

I do not know how "essential" it is in the real world situations, but it is not limited to just Bell and TELUS (and of course, their flanker brands)... Rogers has also got the MBS spectrum licenses - including the 700MHz Lower B / C blocks that Band 17 covers - in various regions of Canada as well as jointly holds some with Vidéotron in Eastern Ontario & Outaouais / Quebec.

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Perhaps 'Essential' is overstated

I'll correct that!

Did a bit more digging.

The band in question, 17, was supported until the Note 9.

Samsung Chat confirmed it isn't included in the S10 but was supported in prior devices.

Their Support Line was clueless what I was talking about.

Samsung Business Services could likely answer this if someone wants to take it up with them.

AHE_XDA said:

Did a bit more digging.

The band in question, 17, was supported until the Note 9.

Samsung Chat confirmed it isn't included in the S10 but was supported in prior devices.

Their Support Line was clueless what I was talking about.

Samsung Business Services could likely answer this if someone wants to take it up with them.

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They confirmed that probably because they went online and read a spec sheet. Curious to know this for real.

No Band 17, No problem

Folks,

Perhaps some of us may have forgotten how the 700MHz MBS spectrum are allocated in relation to Band 12 vs 17. In a sense, the Lower B and C blocks in the Band 17 spectrum are like the "subset" of Band 12 spectrum that includes the Lower A block...



In Canada, the band plan is the same but with different "labels" of the Upper blocks...



Either way, the whole mess with Band 12 vs 17 was more about big carriers like at&t which has got the Lower B and C block spectrum while smaller carriers have got the Lower A block spectrum. Device manufacturers along with big carriers would not have any issue to cater each other objectives but smaller carriers cried foul to FCC. Then they worked on the technical aspects to make networks in both bands interoperable....

https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/at-t-achieves-interability-700-mhz-band

If we force our S10/S10+/S10e with only LTE Band 12 access, I do not believe we would "miss" anything as long as the carrier we are using do have the spectrum in the A, B or C blocks where we use our phones....


* This chart may not reflect any approved spectrum swap between carriers since the last MBS spectrum auction ended

So I would not concern too much about the lack of LTE Band 17 support anymore. In fact, it maybe the other way around that IF our phones didn't support LTE Band 12. It is quite insignificant with 5x5MHz spectrum utilized anyway... unless the place where I use the service the most is located in the boonies or underground bunker!

howipig said:

Folks,

Perhaps some of us may have forgotten how the 700MHz MBS spectrum are allocated in relation to Band 12 vs 17. In a sense, the Lower B and C blocks in the Band 17 spectrum are like the "subset" of Band 12 spectrum that includes the Lower A block...

In Canada, the band plan is the same but with different "labels" of the Upper blocks...

Either way, the whole mess with Band 12 vs 17 was more about big carriers like at&t which has got the Lower B and C block spectrum while smaller carriers have got the Lower A block spectrum. Device manufacturers along with big carriers would not have any issue to cater each other objectives but smaller carriers cried foul to FCC. Then they worked on the technical aspects to make networks in both bands interoperable....

https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/at-t-achieves-interability-700-mhz-band

If we force our S10/S10+/S10e with only LTE Band 12 access, I do not believe we would "miss" anything as long as the carrier we are using do have the spectrum in the A, B or C blocks where we use our phones....

* This chart may not reflect any approved spectrum swap between carriers since the last MBS spectrum auction ended

So I would not concern too much about the lack of LTE Band 17 support anymore. In fact, it maybe the other way around that IF our phones didn't support LTE Band 12. It is quite insignificant with 5x5MHz spectrum utilized anyway... unless the place where I use the service the most is located in the boonies or underground bunker!

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Thanks for the info. I just stumbled on this thread as I was doing a little coverage mapping. I noted many of the towers in my area that I've recorded are broadcasting 4 and 17, but a handful were broadcasting 13. I have an S10+, so went into the service menu to force only 13 to try and see if more were broadcasting, but my phone just wasn't picking them up, and I was surprised to see 17 was missing.

Now, based on the mapping, I know my phone's picking up 17, but the fact that 12/17 are essentially the same makes alot of sense. I'll have to test forcing only band 12 next, and see if that registers as 17 on cellmapper's page.

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amace04 said:

Thanks for the info. I just stumbled on this thread as I was doing a little coverage mapping. I noted many of the towers in my area that I've recorded are broadcasting 4 and 17, but a handful were broadcasting 13. I have an S10+, so went into the service menu to force only 13 to try and see if more were broadcasting, but my phone just wasn't picking them up, and I was surprised to see 17 was missing.

Now, based on the mapping, I know my phone's picking up 17, but the fact that 12/17 are essentially the same makes alot of sense. I'll have to test forcing only band 12 next, and see if that registers as 17 on cellmapper's page.

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Ok, now it gets strange.
I forced my device's LTE preference to only B12, and it immediately dropped to HSPA+.

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amace04 said:

Thanks for the info. I just stumbled on this thread as I was doing a little coverage mapping. I noted many of the towers in my area that I've recorded are broadcasting 4 and 17, but a handful were broadcasting 13. I have an S10+, so went into the service menu to force only 13 to try and see if more were broadcasting, but my phone just wasn't picking them up, and I was surprised to see 17 was missing.

Now, based on the mapping, I know my phone's picking up 17, but the fact that 12/17 are essentially the same makes alot of sense. I'll have to test forcing only band 12 next, and see if that registers as 17 on cellmapper's page.

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Ok, now it gets strange.
I forced my device's LTE preference to only B12, and it immediately dropped to HSPA+.