I ask you your opinion (Android vs iOS)

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EP2008

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And what about when jailbreak disappears? Seems to get anywhere near Android levels of functionality, you have to jailbreak the ipad and hope that Apple don't fix it soon..

Who says the general user base needs all that functionality?

Sometimes, a really good Chef's knife is all you need and a Victorinox Swiss Champ multi-function knife is just overkill.

That's the problem with most Android users: we assume that everyone wants or needs a 30 piece multitool, when all that's needed is a single, reliable blade.

My wife, my father, my brother, my two kids, my friends wife, my cousin don't need "Android levels of functionality ". I'm sure that others, like them, don't need (or want) anything other than an iOS device. This is where the debate ends. Not everyone wears the same shoes.

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that's about as simple as it gets
A lot of people just want something that works that they don't have to think about. Apple works well for them.

Then there's us inner and outer geeks that like to tweak our stuff like we do our women...Android fits the bill.
 

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Well, that's the thing though. Everyone with an iPad/iOS *is* forced to wear the same shoes. Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.

Since we have Apple users monitoring this thread, a non-techie friend of mine always gives me his iPad2 problems to solve, because I used to have an iPad. Here's the story. The original iPad, which I had, had no cameras. Apple started putting built-in cameras on the iPad2. Apple also sells a camera adapter kit for the iPad's proprietary port. Basically it's a dongle that turns the proprietary port into a USB connector for digital cameras and a dongle that turns the proprietary port into an SD card reader specifically for camera photos.

He bought these things, and the problem he is having now is that, when he takes snapshots with his iPad2 camera or when he migrates photos from his camera or SD cards to his iPad2, he cannot get those photos from his iPad2 to his computer. iTunes syncs photos from the desktop to the iPad2, but it won't move photos the other way around, from his iPad2 to the desktop. His iPad2 is not jailbroken, nor does he want it jailbroken. There are 10's of GB's of photos transferred from his camera and stuck on his iPad2. The adapters, like iTunes, are also one-way streets. The iPad Photos app opens and only allows importing from the adapters and not exporting to the adapters. So what's the simple solution?

I did figure out a way to get the files onto the desktop, but it's not simple and it's very labor intensive and no one would want to have to do it that way. I'm wondering if you guys know an easy way.
 
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Well, that's the thing though. Everyone with an iPad/iOS *is* forced to wear the same shoes. Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.

Since we have Apple users monitoring this thread, a non-techie friend of mine always gives me his iPad2 problems to solve, because I used to have an iPad. Here's the story. The original iPad, which I had, had no cameras. Apple started putting built-in cameras on the iPad2. Apple also sells a camera adapter kit for the iPad's proprietary port. Basically it's a dongle that turns the proprietary port into a USB connector for digital cameras and a dongle that turns the proprietary port into an SD card reader specifically for camera photos.

He bought these things, and the problem he is having now is that, when he takes snapshots with his iPad2 camera or when he migrates photos from his camera or SD cards to his iPad2, he cannot get those photos from his iPad2 to his computer. iTunes syncs photos from the desktop to the iPad2, but it won't move photos the other way around, from his iPad2 to the desktop. His iPad2 is not jailbroken, nor does he want it jailbroken. There are 10's of GB's of photos transferred from his camera and stuck on his iPad2. The adapters, like iTunes, are also one-way streets. The iPad Photos app opens and only allows importing from the adapters and not exporting to the adapters. So what's the simple solution?

I did figure out a way to get the files onto the desktop, but it's not simple and it's very labor intensive and no one would want to have to do it that way. I'm wondering if you guys know an easy way.

What a mess! out of curiosity (I'm no iPad owner, had an iPod for a while, and got so sick of iTunes that never considered getting an iOS device), how did you fix the issue? One idea would be to upload the photos to some photo sharing or cloud storage service (if iOS allows that. Does Dropbox for iPad allow camera uploads like it allows on Android?), and get them from there, but it's definitively not ideal.
 
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Well, that's the thing though. Everyone with an iPad/iOS *is* forced to wear the same shoes. Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.

Since we have Apple users monitoring this thread, a non-techie friend of mine always gives me his iPad2 problems to solve, because I used to have an iPad. Here's the story. The original iPad, which I had, had no cameras. Apple started putting built-in cameras on the iPad2. Apple also sells a camera adapter kit for the iPad's proprietary port. Basically it's a dongle that turns the proprietary port into a USB connector for digital cameras and a dongle that turns the proprietary port into an SD card reader specifically for camera photos.

He bought these things, and the problem he is having now is that, when he takes snapshots with his iPad2 camera or when he migrates photos from his camera or SD cards to his iPad2, he cannot get those photos from his iPad2 to his computer. iTunes syncs photos from the desktop to the iPad2, but it won't move photos the other way around, from his iPad2 to the desktop. His iPad2 is not jailbroken, nor does he want it jailbroken. There are 10's of GB's of photos transferred from his camera and stuck on his iPad2. The adapters, like iTunes, are also one-way streets. The iPad Photos app opens and only allows importing from the adapters and not exporting to the adapters. So what's the simple solution?

I did figure out a way to get the files onto the desktop, but it's not simple and it's very labor intensive and no one would want to have to do it that way. I'm wondering if you guys know an easy way.

I've found that with the apple app store, if you thought about how to do something with an app, most likely you'll find that someone probably already thought about it and created that app. You just need to look. I can't say that too often for android unfortunately. iOS usually has better counterparts within the same app as well.

To answer your question, the app that will most likely solve that your friend's problem is Photo Transfer App. They have it on android as well. It lets you transfer photos and videos wirelessly from ios to ios devices, android to android, as well as allowing you to download them from your osx or windows browser. Seems you could also share photos between android and iOS. Videos are the exception though. They just all have to be on the same network.
 

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He opted out of iCloud, but transferring 10's of GB's of photos over the Internet is not a good solution anyway.

The workaround I found was to use iTunes on the PC (well, that's the only choice anyway) and have it backup the iPad to PC. Then go into Windows Explorer, set it to show hidden files, go to the user profile directory, go to the Application Data subdirectory, go to the iTunes subdirectory, go to the backups subdirectory, and then find the directory for the iPad backup you just did. In this directory, you will find the content files from the iPad individually backed up to the PC but all the files will have strings of random letters and numbers for filenames and will be missing any file extensions. Copy these files into another directory, add JPEG extensions to the filenames, and then try opening them to see if they are really JPEGs. The ones that are JPEGs, you keep and rename their random character filenames to something more appropriate. The ones that aren't, you delete, or, if you know what kind of file they are supposed to be, you rename, give it the appropriate file extension instead and test opening/playback to verify.


stuckonduhmode: Not that this was meant to be a comparison, but Android does not have this problem, obviously, because, out of box, Android doesn't restrict user access to and transfer of their own content files. A simple USB connection to the PC would have been all it took for an Android device. There is no need to fling stones at anyone else over this. I feel this is an iTunes problem. iTunes was not designed to handle photos properly, and it feels like something that was added on at the last second. The camera adapter kit also seems half-baked, in my opinion. Not only does it have this problem of only transferring files one way, it handles video files wrong. Video files are imported into the same destination as the photos, so the video files do not show up in the Movies app. I guess the real culprit there is Apple's Photo app because that is the program that handles the camera adapter transfer. Not only do the videos end up showing in the Photos app instead of the Movies app and can't be moved, for some reason, they don't play despite being Apple Quicktime .mov videos. Thanks for the app suggestion. I will let him know about it, though I was hoping to find a solution that doesn't require spending even more money on this.
 
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F this going back to watch betaporn.

Soooo, Beta porn vs. Vhs porn?:confused: Which to choose. Big bush or really big bush:p


In all seriousness, as many others have said, it really is a personal preference.
I used to love ios, however, it was new tech, and not without its problems when jailbroken, whether using winterboard, or sometimes just the jailbreaking process.
That being said, my first android tablet was an og galaxy tab, and, surprisingly, I fell in love with android os. Customizing, torrents that actually work, no need for an extra prog for pc transfers.
And, in most cases, external storage, which i know isnt os relevant, but it stands true across all ios, no external storage.
Honestly, I like both. No point bashing one os to another. They both have quirks, they both have their strengths.
It really, truly is an apples to oranges argument
 

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that's about as simple as it gets
A lot of people just want something that works that they don't have to think about. Apple works well for them.

Then there's us inner and outer geeks that like to tweak our stuff like we do our women...Android fits the bill.

There you go again, pretending Android is the OS for tweakers/geeks/hackers and "real" consumers are better off with iOS. Sorry, that's just apple bull**** right there.

iOS is MORE complicated than Android.

When I switch my Android tablet on, my homescreen has widgets that show the weather forcast for the next 3 days, the local news, and my current music playlist.

I have to open lots of apps on iOS do do this basic stuff... Perhaps some iOS owner can tell me how a big long list of static icons that open apps is "better" than a user's choice of homescreen widgets, folders and icons that Android users enjoy..

iOS being "easier" is just a myth. people can confusing a very simple OS with no flexability with "easy", which is tosh, as I could apply that and tell you my desktop calculator is "easier" than iOS, as it's only got some numbers and a couple of function keys.
 

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There you go again, pretending Android is the OS for tweakers/geeks/hackers and "real" consumers are better off with iOS. Sorry, that's just apple bull**** right there.

iOS is MORE complicated than Android.

When I switch my Android tablet on, my homescreen has widgets that show the weather forcast for the next 3 days, the local news, and my current music playlist.

I have to open lots of apps on iOS do do this basic stuff... Perhaps some iOS owner can tell me how a big long list of static icons that open apps is "better" than a user's choice of homescreen widgets, folders and icons that Android users enjoy..

iOS being "easier" is just a myth. people can confusing a very simple OS with no flexability with "easy", which is tosh, as I could apply that and tell you my desktop calculator is "easier" than iOS, as it's only got some numbers and a couple of function keys.

I have another nice example for that. To change the sound settings under iOS you've to go /settings/general/more (might be called different) /sounds

Under Android its /Settings/Sound

However I'm sure Android has similar disadvantages I just don't notice them because I'm used to them.

Android isn't really more complicated it has just far more options if you use them is up to you.

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Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.

Eloquently?
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**Edit** to make this a useful post, to answer your question about photos from the iPad, if you jailbreak it, you can install a file explorer on the iPad, or use i-funbox to extract files from the iOS system. You MIGHT not need jailbreak for i-funbox, its very vague on the site, and I never tried it while locked.
 
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Well, that's the thing though. Everyone with an iPad/iOS *is* forced to wear the same shoes. Android, as someone explained quite eloquently in another post, is flexible and can be what you want it to be.

Since we have Apple users monitoring this thread, a non-techie friend of mine always gives me his iPad2 problems to solve, because I used to have an iPad. Here's the story. The original iPad, which I had, had no cameras. Apple started putting built-in cameras on the iPad2. Apple also sells a camera adapter kit for the iPad's proprietary port. Basically it's a dongle that turns the proprietary port into a USB connector for digital cameras and a dongle that turns the proprietary port into an SD card reader specifically for camera photos.

He bought these things, and the problem he is having now is that, when he takes snapshots with his iPad2 camera or when he migrates photos from his camera or SD cards to his iPad2, he cannot get those photos from his iPad2 to his computer. iTunes syncs photos from the desktop to the iPad2, but it won't move photos the other way around, from his iPad2 to the desktop. His iPad2 is not jailbroken, nor does he want it jailbroken. There are 10's of GB's of photos transferred from his camera and stuck on his iPad2. The adapters, like iTunes, are also one-way streets. The iPad Photos app opens and only allows importing from the adapters and not exporting to the adapters. So what's the simple solution?

I did figure out a way to get the files onto the desktop, but it's not simple and it's very labor intensive and no one would want to have to do it that way. I'm wondering if you guys know an easy way.

If you are still looking for an answer try drop box. You can move the photos from the iPad to your drop box. Drop box also auto uploads photos from iOS the same as it does with Android. If the photos are in an alternate folder you should be able to choose it. I have Android & iOS devices. I am just a regular user (not a dev) but am pretty good with both types. If you have issues let me know & I will try it on my iPAD (new version so it is not jailbroken).

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I was getting sick of my Transformer on ICS so I gave my dads iPad2 a go, I have no brand loyalty so my opinion is completely impartial, but one thing that really stuck out was the multitasking on Android is so much nicer than an iOS, also it appears that even with the lags of ICS it's still faster to do mundane tasks like copy and pasting between apps.

I also find the stock browser much better than the iOS one, I really missed the quick slider the appears on the right to quickly move up and down the page.
 
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From my standpoint as a music gamer, I'm definitely more swaying towards the iOS side of things for tablets. They have a better selection of games (jubeat and reflec beat being accessible outside of Japan is a huge plus) and the games that have both iOS and Android releases are more stable on an iPad compared to my Transformer (however that may be because of the ICS ****up)

Still from any other standpoint, I prefer Transformer. I can actually get coursework done it (that keyboard is useful for something), use it as a proper netbook hooked up to my PC and do a lot more things that I want to do on it compared to what I limitations I'd have with iOS. Also I apparently owe Apple £20 so I wouldn't be able to get any Apps. Which sucks.

Also the fact I /could/ port Ubuntu onto it is a good enough option for me to stick with my Transformer.
 

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Andoid: Open source
iOS: closed source with limited functionality.

Enough said.

Actually, not enough said.

Both open and closed environments have their benefits and drawbacks.

I have and use both devices (need to stay current with the technology for our company). We have users that would would never be satisfied with iOS, as they are compelled to tinker and customize. As artistic and creative as the stereotypical iOS fans are portrayed, it is simply amazing to me that they have not more fully embraced the Android operating system, as it is so much more versatile than iOS in that area.

However, I do have employees that need/want a solution that works right out of the box with the consistency of all the other devices, which iOS provides very well. It is simple to use, smooth, and predictable.

To get off on a bit of a sidetrack here, I think back on the famous 1984 commercial by Apple, and challenge anyone to counter the fact that the Apple line of mobility products and user base has become exactly what the company parodied in that advertisement.

In summation, both are excellent operating systems, neither is perfect for everybody. Comparing one to another is simply not useful. Individuals need to understand their personal requirements and tastes, and select one or the other. A simple analogy can be made with vehicles (NOTE I AM NOT SAYING ONE PLATFORM IS ONE OR THE OTHER, IT IS SIMPLY A USER SELECTION ANALOGY). Almost everyone would agree that the Mercedes S-Class is a fine vehicle, but if your requirements are to get your cattle to market, you would be disappointed if you select that vehicle.
 
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From my standpoint as a music gamer, I'm definitely more swaying towards the iOS side of things for tablets. They have a better selection of games (jubeat and reflec beat being accessible outside of Japan is a huge plus) and the games that have both iOS and Android releases are more stable on an iPad compared to my Transformer (however that may be because of the ICS ****up)

Still from any other standpoint, I prefer Transformer. I can actually get coursework done it (that keyboard is useful for something), use it as a proper netbook hooked up to my PC and do a lot more things that I want to do on it compared to what I limitations I'd have with iOS. Also I apparently owe Apple £20 so I wouldn't be able to get any Apps. Which sucks.

Also the fact I /could/ port Ubuntu onto it is a good enough option for me to stick with my Transformer.

Thanks a ton for reminding me I can't play iubito anymore -_- I almost bought an iPod touch just for that game after my iPhone died.
 

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The Finnish version of the article is 50 percent complete (English version will come later. I also have a job so please give me time).

I would like to hear what direction Google or Apple should develop their operating system. What would you like to see in the future?
 

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Hm this is actually quite an interesting question.

1. I would like that Google comes up with another way to mount my Nexus. Or probably a switch so that I can decide which one I want to use. Because the idea of MTP is nice but not on Linux.

2. I wish that Google would hurry up a bit with the Google Play Store.
In Switzerland I can't buy Books, Movies or Music. I couldn't even use Google Music (which I really like) if I hadn't used a US Proxy to activate it.
Which is kind of rubbish because I really like the Android eco system and I would like to spend more time and even money in it.
Sadly though the longer it takes them to release those things the more likely it will become that I look for another solution, for those kind of contents.
And probably I wouldn't change back to the Google solutions, once they're out, because I already more or less comfortable in a other eco system.

3. They should pick up some ideas from the dev community. There are so many great ideas here on XDA and on other sites but they never really use them.
For example imagine how cool normal users would find it if they could use the theme engine. It's something really simple but has a huge impact on how you feel about your phone. Same goes for the navigation bar. Why isn't it possible to change them by default?
It's such an easy thing but it can improve the handling a lot. For example my Galaxy Nexus is slightly to big for my hands. So that I have problems to reach the menu button in the upper right corner.
Solution permanent and invisible menu button in the lower left corner.

4. They should think a bit better about there product. ICS is really nice and a big improvement over Gingerbread. But there are still quite a few illogical things left.

5. Better multitasking.
It just needs to become better. For example why does the Browser reload pages every time I bring it back up?
It's simply not necessary. Because I was probably reading something or if I really want to reload the page I can do it on my own.
Youtube in the Background and other stuff is what IMO Android should be able to do.
 

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I use both Android (ASUS Transformer TF101) and iOS (iPhone 4S).

Android:

Positives - Flexibility, customizability and multiple hardware options.

Negatives - The biggest is the predictable issues that come along with hardware platforms from multiple manufacturers. As is well documented in a 300+ page thread on this forum, there are too many cooks in the proverbial kitchen, even with the OEM firmware updates. In our case, between Google, ASUS and Nvidia, they can't get the ICS firmware right.

iOS:

Positives - Single-source hardware means they (usually) put out stable OS updates. Some see the lack of customizability as a positive, as there is less to configure and adjust. To borrow Apple's phrase, it just works. Usually.

Negatives - Installing non-official apps requires jailbreaking. Not as customizeable as Android - unless you jailbreak - but again, some see this as a positive. Locked into iTunes as the sole source for music, video and apps.
 

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    People hold strong opinions so watch out because this article will flame like hell. I will say that Apple is crap, but I will explain why I say this. Given the freedom of Android, I'd choose nothing else. Given the advanced level of control over your device, I'd choose nothing else. Given the open source availability of our beloved OS, I'd choose nothing else. Given the diverse choice of apps on the Play Store and the larger amount of free apps, I'd choose nothing else. Aside from that sort of stuff, Apple's BS just plain ticks me off. How these a-holes can actually try to monopolize the technology industry and file all of these lawsuits against their competitors (not to mention the fact that they are being goddamned hipsters and trying to claim that they invented the slide-to-unlock and face unlock features... I'm truly surprised they haven't dug up the inventor of the wheel and tried to sue him). Samsung, Google, and all of their competitors are forking out an arm and a leg to lawyers. Sorry if I seem like I'm pissy, I just don't like the fact that Apple is trying to ruin Android, when it's so beautiful.

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    I use both. The IOS platform is largely an application launcher. As such it has some limitations on it's functionality. This is by design to make it easy for new users to learn and use, and most of all remember. The ISO interface is very clean and simple and was built by some amazing designers. Given the numbers of IOS users it is obvious this strategy of clean design and simplicity has worked.

    Android looks very much like what I see in a lot of application designed by developers. It has a lot of developer centric features such as extensive settings and customizations. The UI has some behaviors that must be learned and remembered to operate effectively. One example is press and hold to get to additional functionality.

    Because it was developed by developer instead of UI designers, Android is more feature rich. It makes extensive use of multi-tasking and multi-threading. Also, Intents makes functionality sharing and extensions to the UI such as different keyboards very easy. But, this also increases the complexity

    At the end of the day neither system is right or wrong. They are just right for different sets of users.
    - IOS is easy to learn and remember. Everything works by apps and you can press one button to get back to familiarity of home. This restricts the options you have in apps which is perfect for a more casual user.
    - Android allows for complex UIs which can let users interact with apps in complex manners. This can result in a very powerful app, or a complex mess. But, this is the type of apps and Android is the type of OS that power users want.

    Jerry
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    It should be noted that while we have the option of customizing Android to our hearts content, customizing can lead to a drop in stability and poor battery life. Custom ROMS can often break basic functions of the OS and make apps incompatible or just plain unstable.

    What Apple users miss from android, they gain in device stability, app compatibility, amazing battery life, consistent app experience and a simple "pickup and go" experience. This is what most people are looking for. Even the average android user won't take advantage of widgets, custom keyboards, custom ROMS and kernels , etc. That stuff is often reserved for the power users who like to tweak and control everything on their device... And power users make up a small percent of the total user base.
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    What kind of freedom are you talking about? I can't even root this thing, so it might as well be IPad in my hands right now..

    I haven't used any apple device and probably won't. Because of the price. That's what makes difference between Apple and Android devices before I even have got any :D

    To answer your question simply. Without jailbreaking an ios device you cannot:

    1:Download roms or any emulators, this includes all SNES,n64,psx etc etc
    2:You cannot run freeware music software like grooveshark ( my favorite), it was banned from appstore, and now only resides in cydia (jailbreak + montly fee is required)
    3:You cannot download torrents. Jailbreak is required, even then it is a not a good experience.
    4: you cannot transfer files directly to folders, an SHSH connection is required, which requires jailbreak.

    All these things you can do without rooting, so you are not holding an ipad device my friend, you would have notice it.

    The best thing about android is that developers can make their own apps and spread them for free to the community, that experience can be obtained with iOS and cydia, but It can cause some real problems in your phone, and decrease its battery time.

    When you use cydia apps, sometimes you will notice very unstable behavior from your idevice, like winterboard or dreamboarder, which caused my phone to brick itself.

    in more simple words, To get an android experience on an apple device, you will make the iOS more unstable than applefanboys claim android to be.
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    This is an odd statement. It's Android devices which become out of date every few weeks. Having ONE new Apple model update every year is great. Upgrade if you want or wait. Asus alone has a handful of new devices with more to come, and there's always a new Android tablet coming which makes the one you're using seem old . I would say that upgrade paranoia falls to the Android camp.

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    examples of apple uppgrades: only the casual user would even use these changes, and they could have been implemented on the first ipad

    ipad 1: no camera, no voice built in voice dictation
    ipad 2: camera, but no built in voice dictation
    ipad 3: camera and voice dictation

    iphone 2g: no wallpaper change, no multitask
    iphone 3g: wallpaper changes, multitask
    iphone 3gs: wall paper changes, no built in location reminders,
    iphone 4: location reminders
    iphone 4s: siri + location reminders


    .....

    Siri works on 3gs and iphone 4, it has even been ported to ipad but it requires the use of proxy servers and some other stuff (dont really know but it requires jailbreaking). Location reminders?, really apple??

    This is as you can see ridiclous, why some people would stand for this I don't know. Give me android anyday of the week. For some price is not the issue. That is something apple fanboys dream about at night so they can feel like they are part of some elite group of people.


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