Permanently Fix SGS2 Echo and Digital Noise Reduction/Cancellation Problems

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toxicdust

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I tried yesterday all the methods described on this thread, and to my frustration the echo refused to go away, when i was ready to give up and after three failed attempts, i opened my phone one last time to take out every piece of rubber.... and then I noticed something was wrong with the original rubber that covers the noise reduction microphone, it did not fit tight, i checked it and notice the opening that cover the noise reduction microphone was not big enough for the actual microphone to fit in completely, so I opened it just enough for it to fit tight, I took all my rubbers out and to my joy it did work. I have been testing the phone the hole day and have had no eco at all. So for those of you that the previous methods haven't worked try this , maybe you are lucky as was I :D
Good luck to everybody.

Thank you for the explanation. I did however mention it in step 4 to make sure the sensor is correctly entered into the sleeve.

Toxicdust said:
Step 4:
Picture 3 shows the 2 components that's interfering with one another. "A" is the NC microphone sensor. Be sure to check that the sensor is properly inserted into the rubber sleeve covering it.

The instructions on the 1s post should be followed carefully as the combined effort of all the instructions fix the problem.
 

vitsa

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So I want to make some summary. If you have echo:

INSTRUCTION


0. Try to update yr phone to ANDROID 4 & check if echo is gone, if its not help go to step 1. (added on 03 May 2012)

1. Prepare tools as on picture attached.
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1. Open yr phone (by screwdriver & piece of sharped plastic card)

2. Check if original rubber casing that covers the BOTH microphones is fit tight. To be SURE remove the covering over NC Microphone sensor (upper mic (part A) on picture below) completely, put it back ensuring that mic is completely inside the rubber casing, then press it firmly in housing. Take a great care with sensitive parts!

2a. On the lower side of phone there is another mic, it has same rubber covering like Part A but gray color - make the same remove rubber casing completely, put it back ensuring that mic is completely inside the rubber casing, then press it firmly in housing(check very attentively, use light, magnifier & tweezers if you need).
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Close the phone.

3. Check if echo is gone. If No proceed to (4).

4. Open yr phone again & put piece of business card over speaker (as described on picture below.
As per toxicdust instruction http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21314046&postcount=1
(but do not cover golden contact from right side of the speaker!!!)
attachment.php

Close the phone.

5. Check if echo is gone. If No proceed to (6).

6. Open the phone & put pieces of rubber as was described on the picture below. DO NOT USE LATEX AS IT CAN BE DESTROYED DURING SHORT TIME - USE LONG LIFE RUBBER!
attachment.php

Close the phone.

7. Check if echo is gone. If No repeat all steps again (more attentively because U are the professional already :) ).

For more detail information look upper posts of snigade , Toxicdust & Vitsa.

Do not forget to press thanks button & pls make some remarks in this topic about yr results, it will help other users.
 

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jr866gooner

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Well had another crack at this,different,but larger piece of card. Removed both rubber housings that are attached to the rear case and re seated. After putting it back together i called my parents. Spoke to my mum first flicked between the two noise reduction settings my mum said she heard the echo... I thought balls! Back to square 1, next spoke to my dad and took a chance, tried both settings again only this time he said no echo was appearing. Bear in mind im still on the same call- now im thinking brilliant! But would there be a delay?! Well im going to be speaking with my wife later and will test it then. Fingers crossed it has gone. I will post my results!

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jr866gooner

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Called my wife, Echo appeared straight away for her So frustrating! Immediatly opened up the phone once more, Removed both rubber mic housings completely, Rather than letting them stick to the rear section I put the rubber housings in place before re clipping the case together. Opted to cut a second piece of card but this time slightly wider to cover more of an area and put this on top of my other piece of card this will then cause more pressure pushing the speaker down I guess but I shall make a couple of test calls tomorrow.

I was a little bit gutted because I had a glimmer of hope briefly with my earlier call to my folks then to be told on a second call, "your phones doing that stupid echo thing again!" Oh well lets see.

I cant seem to get the courage to remove the earphone speaker completely (Pic C) when I put pressure on it, it doesn't move. I get the feeling it will break if I tried to prise that away!
 

mariosraptor

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@OP the only bad thing you have made was to leave your imei uncovered. Please edit the picture so nobody steals it from there. Cheers

Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium
 

Dany716

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It Finally Worked!!

Huge thanks to toxicdust, vitsa and dutchiek! Combining a bit yours solutions i finally repaired this annoying echo bug and I couldn't be happier :)
I'm here trying to help others with my experience: i opened the samsung 6 times trying everything above without any result. First of all i want to recommend to pay attention with the screwdriver because if handled bad will ruin both itself and the screw : only use one of the right size and pull down costantly with your hand while using it, don't let it "escape" from the hole and scratch too much the screw. Then pay attention to the volume and power rockers that will fall from the case, they are pretty small. Be also very careful with the jack area that it's more fragile than the rest of the case. If you open that with hurry or put a too big piece of business card on the speaker , it will crack (and i'm speaking from experience).Basically what i did it's cover everything as said vitsa with solid rubber and put a piece of business card of about 0,7 mm x 5 mm x 16 mm (it covered the gold spring at the right of the speaker too). You have to be very careful with the dimension of the card : if it's too small it wont press it enough, if it's too big it will block the case and don't allow it to perfectly close itself.I used a file to scratch it of the right thickness. It's important to assure that it's stable over the speaker,if it's of the right size it will just remain in that position when you'll close the case (of course be carefull to don't accidentally move the paper in the operation!). So if you failed the reparation probably you choosed a bad piece of card and it doesn't block completely the echo. Hope this helped, Good Luck!!
 
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GoldGanja

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Hello,

really really thank you for this guide toxicdust!

I followed it and now echo is gone...but instead of plastic card i used a sponge.

Thanks again...
 

toxicdust

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@OP the only bad thing you have made was to leave your imei uncovered. Please edit the picture so nobody steals it from there. Cheers

Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium

:)

That's not my IMEI. I got the pics of the internet because my phone was already closed up when I realized it was a solution and I made the guide.


But thanks for the concern
 

kotaxor

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Open up my phone today...(must say, it take some guts, as I'm not good at repairing).
As per your instruction, done and 'sow' it up.
Called a friend who always mentioned my phone echo is very bad....:D
Well....his reply is "NO ECHO".

Thanks for this!!
 

felix_e1

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I have my SGSII since the beginning of December and it worked very fine so far.

Since yesterday, people complain that they can't hear me very well. Nevertheless nobody experienced an echo so far. I remember that my phone fell of the table yesterday before I called these people.

The question is now, is it possible that due to a problem with the 2nd microphone and therefore the noice cancellation, the volume of the microphone is tuned by down by the system? In this case a quick fix would be to turn off noise cancellation, but that can't be the final answer to the problem right? Is it even possible to that with Cyanogenmod 7? I haven't found anything so far.

I don't have any, and I mean any, tools here, so I probably need to bring it to the vodafone shop where I bought it. Unfortunately I have Cyanogenmod installed. There shouldn't be a problem in reapplying the stock firmware and in case it's need to be handed it to Samsung right? (I won't mention that the mobile fell of the table ;) )
 
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Bughlol

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A simple way to fix it, without opening the phone !

I just fixed it by turning off noise reduction. The way I did it, get someone to call you then press the options button on the left near the the middle button, then you will see the option on screen's right lower corner (turn noise reduction on/off), just turn it off and there you go! Hopefully it will work for you and others also....:)
 

vitsa

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felix_e1, best way if you still have warranty - it is to flash normal original firmware and make custom binary count reset by jig (301k) (instruction here and here).
When you will flash original firmware - u can bring to service with no problem.
Other way - it is to open yr phone and to put back into the housings the mics what probably get out from proper position due to falling

Bughlol, that what I was doing during three months after buying my phone - disabling the NR from menu during calling (only), there was NO permanent option, I even decided to sell it but found this topic.
Here peoples decided how to disable the echo forever without fuc..ing manipulations with different firmwares & menu options.
If u want to make disabling every time when some one calling - it is yr right and this topic not for you. But if you dont like to do it every time - it is time to fix it forever by following instructions from this topic and posting results here afterwards. Good luck.
 
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felix_e1

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felix_e1, best way if you still have warranty - it is to flash normal original firmware and make custom binary count reset by jig (301k) (instruction here and here).
When you will flash original firmware - u can bring to service with no problem.
Other way - it is to open yr phone and to put back into the housings the mics what probably get out from proper position due to falling

Thank you so far. I'll scream into my phone for about 2 Weeks until I'm home in Germany so I can build that thing to send it to Samsung. Actually it's not that bad right know. I just have to speak a little bit louder and more clear.
 

vitsa

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felix_e1. JUST TEMPORARY u can use option described by Bughlol, but it is not decision, but this option dont work on some firmwares.
Some additional information u can find here
 
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Bughlol

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Bughlol, that what I was doing during three months after buying my phone - disabling the NR from menu during calling (only), there was NO permanent option, I even decided to sell it but found this topic.
Here peoples decided how to disable the echo forever without fuc..ing manipulations with different firmwares & menu options.
If u want to make disabling every time when some one calling - it is yr right and this topic not for you. But if you dont like to do it every time - it is time to fix it forever by following instructions from this topic and posting results here afterwards. Good luck.

Its not temporary, once you disable it, it remains disabled until you restore it manually. You don't have to do it every time you make or receive a call. I'm using Criskelo rom V38 (gingerbread 2.3.6)
 

vitsa

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Bughlol, futures of different roms discussing in other topics. I will not buy set of tools if I need just a screwdriver...
 
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    Hi All

    I spent the last 2 days trying to find a simple solution to this problem. Even though my phone is still under manufacturers warranty and Service Providers warranty I decided to just do this as working carefully there will be no indication that the phone has been opened or the "fix" has been applied

    I for one couldn't take my phone to a service centre as they would have booked in my phone and gave me some Nokia 3100 knock-off budget phone for one and the repair would have taken 21 days and having business requirements that my phone needs to meet I decided to just do it myself.

    So I decided to open it up myself and fix it and here is the guide on how to permanently fix the echo that people get when phoning you.

    Problem:
    When you receive or make a call people on the other end of the line hear a echo of themselves and this might be intermittent but seem to be worse when having any type of cover on the phone.

    Reason:
    The reason this occurs is because the speaker depicted in the 3rd photo labelled as "B" has a rubber seal at the bottom of it that has gone loose from the casing by either a drop or some vibration that is making the speaker's sound go into the phone and picked up by the NC (Noise cancellation) microphone shown in the same photo as "A" rather than be isolated and out the speaker hole on the front of the phone.

    Fix:
    This fix is fairly simple and permanent. You only need a 5mm x 12mm piece of cardboard or think paper that is around 0.5mm thick that can be used as a buffer.

    Procedure:

    Step 1:
    Picture 1 Shows the phone screws that should be removed 1st depicted by round red circles. Keep the screws in the same order as you remove them as only 4 of the 7 screws have locktite on them and be sure when you replace them you put them back in the same position.

    Step 2:
    Picture 1 As depicted from 1 to 6 is the easiest way to follow to unclip your back and front cover from one another to not break any of the clips. The back cover is very rugged so don't be afraid to unclip it as it is unlikely to break.

    See Below Picture no1


    Step 3:
    Picture 2 is how it should look like when the back cover has been removed. We will only be focused on the area in the red block called ZZ

    See Below Picture no2

    Step 4:
    Picture 3 shows the 2 components that's interfering with one another. "A" is the NC microphone sensor. Be sure to check that the sensor is properly inserted into the rubber sleeve covering it. "B" is the speaker and is glued with some ridiculously little amount of glue into the housing of "B" and can be lifted with a tweezers or some small object to be able to lift it out of the housing in "B"

    See Below Picture no3


    Step 5:
    Picture 4 Loosen the speaker by just moving it in this aspect north and south a bit until it can be lifted up. Please note the arrow as it flips the way the arrow is pointing to expose the casing it is housed in. Clean out the housing of any dirt and wipe the speaker off as well of any dirt or substance that might elevate the speaker a little bit in its housing.

    Step 6:
    Picture 4 Flip the speaker back into its housing and firmly press it down so that it seats itself well in the housing. The rubber that the speaker is surrounded with should press firmly in the housing to seal it of any noise coming into the phone.

    See Below Picture no4


    Step 7:
    This is where you use the piece of cardboard or thick paper of 5mm x 12mm by 0.5mm thick and place it over the speaker. I recommend cutting up a business card as they are the correct thickness. When looking at Picture 4 the cardboard should be covering the whole red block as depicted by "C" and should look like Picture 5 when placed

    See Below Picture no5


    Step 8:
    Close up the phone and screw everything back together. The piece of cardboard or thick paper will ensure that the casing press the speaker tightly in place and keep it there without letting it leak into the phone to cause the echo effect for people calling you.

    Step 9:
    Enjoy calls without any echo effect.

    This is all very simple to do and my echo has gone away completely. The replacement part they are referencing to in other topics is not really the problem and has nothing to do with it. In the process of replacing that part the speaker gets loosened and removed out of the housing and upon putting the phone back together they securely glue the speaker back in place and thats why they get the same results.

    If this guide helped please post and say so. The problem has no relation to software or anything other than the speaker leaking sound into the phone being picked up by the NC.

    Hope this helps. My phone is working 100% without any issues.
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    So I want to make some summary. If you have echo:

    INSTRUCTION


    0. Try to update yr phone to ANDROID 4 & check if echo is gone, if its not help go to step 1. (added on 03 May 2012)

    1. Prepare tools as on picture attached.
    attachment.php


    1. Open yr phone (by screwdriver & piece of sharped plastic card)

    2. Check if original rubber casing that covers the BOTH microphones is fit tight. To be SURE remove the covering over NC Microphone sensor (upper mic (part A) on picture below) completely, put it back ensuring that mic is completely inside the rubber casing, then press it firmly in housing. Take a great care with sensitive parts!

    2a. On the lower side of phone there is another mic, it has same rubber covering like Part A but gray color - make the same remove rubber casing completely, put it back ensuring that mic is completely inside the rubber casing, then press it firmly in housing(check very attentively, use light, magnifier & tweezers if you need).
    attachment.php


    Close the phone.

    3. Check if echo is gone. If No proceed to (4).

    4. Open yr phone again & put piece of business card over speaker (as described on picture below.
    As per toxicdust instruction http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=21314046&postcount=1
    (but do not cover golden contact from right side of the speaker!!!)
    attachment.php

    Close the phone.

    5. Check if echo is gone. If No proceed to (6).

    6. Open the phone & put pieces of rubber as was described on the picture below. DO NOT USE LATEX AS IT CAN BE DESTROYED DURING SHORT TIME - USE LONG LIFE RUBBER!
    attachment.php

    Close the phone.

    7. Check if echo is gone. If No repeat all steps again (more attentively because U are the professional already :) ).

    For more detail information look upper posts of snigade , Toxicdust & Vitsa.

    Do not forget to press thanks button & pls make some remarks in this topic about yr results, it will help other users.
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    I have made some useful picture pls check it - hopefully this will help to stop echo...

    By the way some guys going to use balloons. Balloons made from LATEX!!! Do not use it! Latex can be destroyed during year or two.
    Also do not use latex gloves & other latex products :)

    Better slice by sharp blade thin piece from some rubber washer or other "LONG LIFE" rubber.

    Only rubber (or paper) over speaker does not help on most cases.

    Also pay attention that original rubber that covers the microphones (upper & lower) it should be fit tight!!! (I describe it on my picture)
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    I tested 3 different brand new phones and all had the issue. Does this mean that Samsung fails to correctly assemble all of it's phones?!

    Think about it this way. Anything comes loose with vibration. Maybe the delivery company man handled the boxes a bit on delivery or the vibration on the phone itself while being shipped could have loosened it as well.

    Remember the Speaker needs to be completely sealed off from the internals of the phone and that's why you need the buffer so that the casing can keep it firmly pressed in place and sealed off from the internals.

    Been on the phone a lot today and every person I ask tells me there is absolutely no echo.

    And that coming from a 100% guaranteed echo for the last month
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    so, anyone else tested this?

    I would seem that ppl will probably do it and then not come back to post it worked because my "Thank You" count went up yet no replies

    If your phone does this why not just do it? You have nothing to lose