Quadrant scores?

ilbulgaro89 · Apr 18, 2011

I know that quandrant is not a good benchmark because the results depends on the hardware installed (CPU qualcomm or samsung or TI OMAP), but my question is:
Desire S in quadrant advanced reach a score of 3000 in the CPU section; the xperia arc, with the same CPU reach a score of 5500 in the cpu section. They are both on gingerbread....so why this difference?
Also the desire HD with froyo and the same Qualcomm CPU reach a 5500 score...
I can't uderstaind!

sorry 4 my english

liljom · Apr 18, 2011

My wife just got her Des S, and Mega jump is lagging

Quadrant score is 1000-1200

how can it happen with an Adreno 205 inside?
it has 1.28.401.1 ROM on it. do you experience it with other ROMs too?

ilbulgaro89 · Apr 18, 2011

liljom said:
My wife just got her Des S, and Mega jump is lagging

Quadrant score is 1000-1200

how can it happen with an Adreno 205 inside?
it has 1.28.401.1 ROM on it. do you experience it with other ROMs too?

i've got no lag at all....

liljom · Apr 18, 2011

ilbulgaro89 said:
i've got no lag at all....

no lag on Mega jump? not even when you pick up a rocket?

ilbulgaro89 · Apr 18, 2011

liljom said:
no lag on Mega jump? not even when you pick up a rocket?

no lag at all in this game

liljom · Apr 18, 2011

ilbulgaro89 said:
no lag at all in this game

and what is your Quadrant score?

ilbulgaro89 · Apr 18, 2011

liljom said:
and what is your Quadrant score?

around 1240

liljom · Apr 18, 2011

ilbulgaro89 said:
around 1240

yeah, that is the max I can get too

the funny thing is, that my Desire HD with a Desire S port performs better; same CPU, GPU and screen resolution; and no lag in megajump :/

ilbulgaro89 · Apr 18, 2011

liljom said:
yeah, that is the max I can get too

the funny thing is, that my Desire HD with a Desire S port performs better; same CPU, GPU and screen resolution; and no lag in megajump :/

yeah, I also do not explain the differences in benchmark scores with this 2 devices

RogerPodacter · Apr 18, 2011

i gave my opinion of why the lower scores in this thread here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1036668

basically there has been a general trend on most phones that gingerbread performs lower than froyo on benchmark tests and performance. this is certainly been my experience. and since the desire s is running gingerbread, while the desire HD is running froyo (i think, right?), that is your answer right there...

titus1 · Apr 19, 2011

Since the Desire S is the "first" device from HTC dressed in Gingerbread...can we safely say that it wasn't an optimized Gingy version that HTC brought up?

If all the Desire family get their Gingerbread update (Classic, HD, Z) and did perform well in benchmarking, that would leave Desire S...????

liljom · Apr 19, 2011

RogerPodacter said:
i gave my opinion of why the lower scores in this thread here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1036668

basically there has been a general trend on most phones that gingerbread performs lower than froyo on benchmark tests and performance. this is certainly been my experience. and since the desire s is running gingerbread, while the desire HD is running froyo (i think, right?), that is your answer right there...

you are right

I run Gingerbread on my DHD, and the Quadrant is lower

I thought it's because we don't have the gingerbread sources for DHD, and we don't have the right drivers
but still, DHD has 1500-1600 in Quadrant (compare to 1200) with DS 1.28 port :/ and that's a big difference with the same CPU, GPU

ilbulgaro89 · Apr 19, 2011

liljom said:
you are right
I run Gingerbread on my DHD, and the Quadrant is lower
I thought it's because we don't have the gingerbread sources for DHD, and we don't have the right drivers
but still, DHD has 1500-1600 in Quadrant (compare to 1200) with DS 1.28 port :/ and that's a big difference with the same CPU, GPU

i ask it in this thread for this reason: dhd has an higher results with desire s gingebread porting......a my friend has in test a developer version of incredible s with gingerbread 2.3.3 and his quadrant score is 1450 (higher than desire s...but with same hardware)

liljom · Apr 19, 2011

ilbulgaro89 said:
i ask it in this thread for this reason: dhd has an higher results with desire s gingebread porting......a my friend has in test a developer version of incredible s with gingerbread 2.3.3 and his quadrant score is 1450 (higher than desire s...but with same hardware)

2 things can save us:

-we find the way to root DS
-we get a good update from HTC

baste07 · Apr 19, 2011

DS is relatively still a "baby"
we'll get there eventually

RogerPodacter · Apr 19, 2011

ilbulgaro89 said:
i ask it in this thread for this reason: dhd has an higher results with desire s gingebread porting......a my friend has in test a developer version of incredible s with gingerbread 2.3.3 and his quadrant score is 1450 (higher than desire s...but with same hardware)

well maybe your friend's incredible s is overclocked, or he has some other type of customization that you are not aware of. because what i am trying to say is that, stock 2.2 vs stock 2.3, there is a performance and quadrant drop, significantly. stock 2.3 may get around 1250 quadrant, and stock froyo may get around 1650 quadrant. i get 1200 on 2.3, but i can over clock to maximum and get 1400. but somethign still isnt right, because i could over clock on 2.2 and get 1700.

also, people say quadrant scores are meaningless. but this has gotten mis interpreted on the web. quadrant scores are meaningless BETWEEN DIFFERENT PHONE MODELS. but quadrant definitely has meanign within the same device. so if your device runs 1600 on 2.2, then 1200 on 2.3, that is a meaningful piece of data. benchmark shows the ability of your phone to do various tasks like scroll a list, load some html or javascript, or parse a bunch of data. so it annoys me when others (not in this thread) say quadrant is meaningless. what the original statement meant was that lower device A could be optimized very well to be smooth, while higher device B could be better hardware, but optimized poorly to not be smooth, and a benchmark would not tell this story. i agree wtih that. but not within the same device i dont

i also see slower choppy scrolling in 2.3, for example tapatalk threads and lists were smooth in 2.2, but choppy and chunky in 2.3, etc. and the benchmark seems to agree with that.

ilbulgaro89 · Apr 19, 2011

RogerPodacter said:
well maybe your friend's incredible s is overclocked, or he has some other type of customization that you are not aware of. because what i am trying to say is that, stock 2.2 vs stock 2.3, there is a performance and quadrant drop, significantly. stock 2.3 may get around 1250 quadrant, and stock froyo may get around 1650 quadrant. i get 1200 on 2.3, but i can over clock to maximum and get 1400. but somethign still isnt right, because i could over clock on 2.2 and get 1700.

also, people say quadrant scores are meaningless. but this has gotten mis interpreted on the web. quadrant scores are meaningless BETWEEN DIFFERENT PHONE MODELS. but quadrant definitely has meanign within the same device. so if your device runs 1600 on 2.2, then 1200 on 2.3, that is a meaningful piece of data. benchmark shows the ability of your phone to do various tasks like scroll a list, load some html or javascript, or parse a bunch of data. so it annoys me when others (not in this thread) say quadrant is meaningless. what the original statement meant was that lower device A could be optimized very well to be smooth, while higher device B could be better hardware, but optimized poorly to not be smooth, and a benchmark would not tell this story. i agree wtih that. but not within the same device i dont

i also see slower choppy scrolling in 2.3, for example tapatalk threads and lists were smooth in 2.2, but choppy and chunky in 2.3, etc. and the benchmark seems to agree with that.

my friend's incredible s is a stock phone updated to Gingerbread via OTA today...without any type of hack...incredible s is not rooted!

njd · Apr 20, 2011

My understanding was that Gingerbread is quite a bit slower than Froyo in Quadrant tests.
In real use though, it seems fine.

I suppose we'll have more idea when 2.3.3 upgrades become available for devices currently running 2.2.x.

liljom · Apr 20, 2011

njd said:
My understanding was that Gingerbread is quite a bit slower than Froyo in Quadrant tests.
In real use though, it seems fine.

I suppose we'll have more idea when 2.3.3 upgrades become available for devices currently running 2.2.x.

Desire HD came out with 2.2, and now it runs 2.3, and yes, the Quadrant went down

dont know · Apr 20, 2011

njd said:
I suppose we'll have more idea when 2.3.3 upgrades become available for devices currently running 2.2.x.

On htc-hero score was equal on 2.2 and 2.3 (both overclocked CM-ROMs)

On my NexuS with 2.3 I have scores about 2500 @ 1GHz (and crazy >3000 @ 1,4GHz)

On the DesireS I only get 1200 @ 1Ghz (equal performance gov or ondemand)

Wired is the totaly different fps: desireS has 50fps at the "planet3D" where Nexus has only 20fps; in the "doom3D" it is vice versa

But in everyday use there is no big difference - I tend to sell the NexuS, but really not sure wich phone I should keep..

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